Shukes

Tough one. 
But Branthwaite stood out for me. Three head injury’s and the guy still kept throwing himself in front of things.

We mention him being a Stones in the making, but I see a lot of Jags in him. Lad is going to be a top top player.

Midfield can all share the plaudits today. Was worried when I saw the line up, but they were brilliant. It’s been a long time since I watched an Everton team string 20+ passes together through the middle.

1 hour ago, Newty82 said:

Just watched a clip on the Everton FB page...I didn't realise the Beto goal was after a succession of 29 passes all over the pitch.

That's class

Only plays hoof ball Dyche does though

The way he gave the defender a hand of was class. My missus pointed it out to me as it happened haha. 
watch the replay, he just doesn’t move and knocks the defender back.

Beast.

This lad is slowly creeping up on me. Getting better and better.

Smashed another in. One thing he is consistent with is hitting the ball. Wish more of our players were confident enough to smash the ball.

Coleman was brilliant tonight. Amazing level he has. 
Young was actually very good as well.

That’s a great performance. Pretty much a complete performance from us. Made loads of chances. Tackles hard. And defended brilliantly.

Tempo was amazing from the boys tonight. Pressing was a thing of beauty.

Against the grain. But I’m going for Gana. He looks a senior player out there. 
Looked after midfield, but was our most creative player as well.

Garner was excellent and I think these two actually complement each other. Garner is really benefitting from Gana. 
 

Onana is going to struggle to get back in at this rate, but that could be great for us as he going to have to step up.

Beto is no replacement for Dom. Someone needs a chat with Harrison. Struggling with the most simple of crosses.

19 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Soft? It was a yellow card mate. I can’t believe he never got booked, had his shirt 

I must have had the wrong angle. Didn’t see that bit, looked liked he just put his shoulder in. But I should look again.

18 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Beto looks very very lazy to me. 

Looks slow doesn’t he. Runs awkward and can’t tell if he is slow or just looks it.

Thought the foul on Elanga was soft to be honest. If that was given against us I would be going mad. Was expecting Elanga to leave him for dead, but he kept up and just eased him off.

Young shouldn’t be in the team… but I’m not going to use the slightest of excuses to slap him with.

Went for Dom. Thought he was on his own feeding off scraps for the most part. But caused priceless all game and worked his socks off.

And very fine hand made socks they were. Very stylish. 
 

Gana was very close. Excellent game.

I was actually disappointed with Harrison. Don’t deny he works hard. But he seems to struggle to do anything dangerous. Same with McNeil.

Harrison needs to start showing something. He has been our worst player since he got here. I’m m waiting for him to kick in… but beginning to wander if he ever will. 

4 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Gana is more than capable of filling his position  as long as he holds and doesn’t get caught up field, Utd are still capable at breaking with speed so defensively Gana needs to be switched on to that happening and not getting caught out of position. 

I agree, but have loved Onana recently. I think he has stepped up a level. Prefer to have the option of both though.

Onana injured still

18 hours ago, Palfy said:

Just read in Wikipedia that you are excluded from being working class if you derive your livelihood from business ownership or the labour of others.

I don’t think I take anymore from my business than anyone else. In fact I’m one of the lowest paid haha. 
I have a high IQ apparently. But I’m stupid also when it comes to business haha.

19 hours ago, Palfy said:

Shukes mate we come from very similar backgrounds and I use to class myself as very working class, always lived on a council estate in a council owned house till the age of 24-25 left school with no exam results walked out of school as soon as block release started and never went back to take the exams I was put in for, didn’t go down well with my parents especially when the school threatened to charge my dad for the cost of the exams. Then got a job as an apprentice tool maker and left that after 18 months to become a hood carrier for a bricklaying contractor who drank in my local went from really shit money to £15.00 a day did that for about 6 months until shall we say went under the radar for 17 months then got a job as Ground worker until I left that when I was about 22/23 to start working with a goal keeper from a team I played for at the time to start taping and jointing, then not long after that we started a Drywall company together, and I bought my first home a council house we were living in when I was 24/25. I always worked hard whether physically until about 40 and mentally till now. I honestly wouldn’t call myself working class nor middle class or a snob thank you very much. If I had to sum myself up I would say I’ve never been scared of hard work in any dimension which has enabled me to be in the right place at the right time and I consider myself fortunate in that respect. I know I’ve upset you mate with my comments but I will always believe that you like me are not working class anymore as defined by what it says as working class, you are now someone imo who is successful through working hard to achieve your goals  

 

I did take exception mate. But only because I am a firm believer of knowing where your roots are. I am honestly proud to call myself working class. 
Sorry if I bit to much Palfy, but I’m a proud man and that is a major weakness of mine. 

I know you say by definition I’m not. But I’m sitting here responding to this message literally in my work clothes haha. The council estate I came from weren’t working class. Most of them didn’t have a job. They can’t be classed as working class if they don’t work.

I try to stay away from sob stories as I know if i started people would be shocked. That’s not to say I’ve had it worse than anyone else. But I do feel it hasn’t been easy. 
 

For me working class is a class of people that works hard. I don’t care much for how a few Cambridge scholars have decided to define it. That shows me they aren’t really in touch with the people. It says it in the name for me…. Working class.

I grew up watching an Everton team that were built from the working class. Andy Gray, Graeme Sharp, Peter Reid, the list goes on. This was a team that typified the working class. They had skill and grace, but most of all they had a belief that they could win, and they worked thier ass off for it. Again typified by Andy Gray and Reidy taking new players to the local for a pint when they joined.

Watching Howard’s way brings a tear to my eye. It reminds me of a time when our love for football was pretty much all we had. Everton were a working class team. Now we’re working hard to just stay up. But we’re working. Our manager points out each week that the number one priority is working hard for each other. 
 

Dyche is bringing the working class to the team again. And I have to say… I’m enjoying it so far.

I think it’s ok for us all to have our own interpretations of certain sayings and labels. I was brought up to be proud of working class and those roots are still with me. 

11 hours ago, Palfy said:

It’s obvious you don’t know what the true meaning of what working class is you seem to think it’s some form of badge of honour, I can only suggest you look in a dictionary to get a better understanding, you maybe hardworking and I wouldn’t take that away from you, as there are many middle class, and upper classes that are equally hard working. If you wish to define yourself as working class and Everton Football supporters then fair enough you carry on my friend. But remember it’s not a nostalgic moment from the past it was a terminology used to describe people who had poor jobs and poor education. 

Agreed. 
Me and you are very very different people. That’s fine.

I do wear it as a badge of honour. I was in poverty and had to work hard to get where I am. I am very proud of that.  I had a terrible education and had to start from the bottom. So by your definition alone… I am working class.
 

I am not fussed what the Cambridge dictionary labels it as. The term was being used long before it was ever in a dictionary. 

But I’m not embarrassed or ashamed of it at all. I come from the days when Football was for the working class. 

Just reading Dyches latest interview. 
The question was, can the players do the hard work and the ugly stuff?

Seems Dyche IS working on the effort and hard work. That should end this conversation shouldn’t it?

Palfy I only read the first paragraph mate and that was terrible. 
I am proud to be working class, I strive to be working class. I’m proud of who iv become and where I am. Especially considering where I came from. But the day I become a snob is the day I fail my family.

But I promise you my IQ is amongst the top 10% of everyone on this site. 
 

I have brought my house. I drive around in. 22 plate. I am the director of two businesses. But my feet are firmly on the ground and I’m honest enough to realise that opportunities are the biggest step you will ever meet. But I also have a great friend d who is a high ranking member of the masons. And he is the hardest working person I know…. He would still class himself as working class.

Fools label others my friend. Choose your own path and destiny and be proud of who you are.

6 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Calm down shukes!  I’m a stickler for hard work from players.  It’s the minimum expectation, let’s not lose sight that hard work also involves movement off the ball when in possession to make it easier to retain possession - something we don’t do very well. 

I’m calm mate. I can just see that what we’re doing seems to be working for now that’s all. 
I do want to see us play a bit more exciting football.

I just don’t want to see us go back to a possession based style that’s all. For me it’s boring and unexciting. I love to see us get forward fast and smash crosses in. My best ever football was watching Steven get the ball and whip it in for Sharpy and Gray. I loved the 80s football and would love to see us playing that way again.

I’m a working class slave Palfy, nothing heroic…. Just stupid.

2 hours ago, Palfy said:

Everton was built on stylish football and we were known across Europe as the School of Science for the way we made football look so artistic to watch, working hard is not the ownership of the working class I don’t understand the correlation between the working class working hard and playing football. You still need to work smarter when you work harder to gain success being working class and a hard worker is nothing to do with being a better footballer team. 

Everton’s history has always been and will always be about effort and work rate. 
Stylish football back in the 1920s was far far from the possession football you see teams like Man City play. Ours was effective in getting the ball forward fast and working our ass off.

I had the pleasure of watching us in the 80s. I don’t think anyone would argue that we weren’t one of the hardest working teams around. We had 11 captains on the pitch.

Hard work has always been related to the working class Palf, that’s where the term comes from. It’s kind of in the name? Now if you can’t correlate that with how Dyche has us playing at the moment, and how results have improved…. Then I am just not qualified to explain it to you. 
 

Disagree me with me as much as you want. That’s fine. But for me…. Our results have improved due to our work rate and effort. The correlation is black and white for me.

4 hours ago, Palfy said:

So keeping control of the ball isn’t as important as chasing long balls down. I never thought I would see the day when we constantly only had between 20-30% of the ball even when at home, and I definitely never thought I would ever hear Evertonian’s saying they were happy with that situation. But there you go you live and learn. 

Me enjoying a game and a certain style doesn’t mean it’s important or not. I’m a fan.

But 100% I enjoy getting the ball forward fast, rather than 100 backwards passes just to get an unimportant stat up. 
 

Everton a club is built on a working class mentality and hard work. The day that changes will be the day I lose interest. Surprised an older fan like yourself isn’t an advocate yourself. 

4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

 

have you considered the “xg” was high when garner wasn’t  in the middle because we were playing teams that are lesser quality than the ones we’ve actually been getting results against? 
 

the issue you are totally missing is that when we are winning our team changes tactics.  We sit back, I’m not talking about possession in isolation - you can let a team have possession and stay in control the game because you dictate where you are happy for them to have the ball. 
 

that did not happen against Brighton or palace. Only when palace equalised did we do the press and intensity. 

Yes I have considered that. And I do believe that makes a difference yes.

23 hours ago, StevO said:

Fuck changing the style. I like it, it’s rough and horrible and fast and direct. No one will enjoy playing against us. Siege mentality on the pitch and in the stands will do me nicely. 
 

I’ve never understood chasing a nice style of play. The only thing to go chasing is wins, and we’re getting them. 

Same here. I love exciting fast action. Crosses coming in, long balls being chased down, pressure in the box. 
 

Funnily enough the fans that screamed for Garner to play centrally, which has coincided with less chances… but more goals, are now blaming the manager for poor tactics and boring football.

It was the same with Iwobi. He looked very poor out wide but we picked up more points. Then we moved him central  and he looked our best player…. But we nearly got relegated. 
 

I would rather we looked messy and disjointed, but scored a few goals and picked up points, then playing tidy football but not scoring. Keep it messy boss.