carlmc25 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 theres no point comparing downing and beckham, i rate downing higher than a fair few people here...but why compare class with decent, no point, beckham is, was, and will forever be twice the player downing could ever become... different league sorry, didn't obviously mean to say buying Downing at this stage in his career would mean we've got a Beckham at his peak. I was just making the point that, whilst pace is usually the major attribute associated with quality wingers, it's actually the quality of the delivery that makes the goals. We've all seen SWP in particular waste so many good positions with his poor final ball, in fact SWP is another player who has looked way out of his depth (imo) when playing for England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue4Ever Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 rather get Pienaar whos better and cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Berno Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 If Faddy goes then we will get Dowing IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 I still don't think Boro will sell him unless we go in for stupid money. He's a good player (just not a "great" player) and would fit in well with the team, but for the money we would have to spend on him he just wouldn't be wort it. If, for example, we could sell Jimmy Mac for 5m and the spend that money on Downing then i'd be happy, but the problem is that we'd probably have to spend 10m, especially in January. Boro are struggeling enough as it is, i can't see them selling their star asset at this stage in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 VDM is still twice the player Downing is? are you being serious? Downing would probably go for about £7m, we can't even give VDM away. VDM must be about the worst signing Everton has ever made, he's an absolute joke. Downing may not be a world beater, but Moyes would snatch off Southgates arm if he offered us downing for VDM and Southgate would most likely be collecting his P45 later the same day. Are you telling me that Stuart Downing would have come near the same Ajax first team that VDM featured in so prominently? If you read my post you'll actually see what I meant. CArl Congratz on ur 1st AWSOME reply i have seen. VDM is twice as good as Downing Utter BULLSHIT!!! Its the other way round. Same for you, read my post and you'll see what I meant. And hell, even now, no I don't think Downing is twice the player VDM is. Just because VDM doesn't play doesn't mean he still can't be a good player. more like 100 times the player, even Kilbane was better than VDM. Downing at one stage was one of the most promising players in the country, he didn't play well for England (although on his début against Greece I seem to remember he set up 3 of the 4 goals we scored) but then again either has Lescott, Gerrard normally plays poorly etc etc. He was injured fairly badly in 2006 and took a while to recover and unfortunately I think he just needs to get out of Boro as he's obviously not got his heart in the club anymore. His crossing has always been his major attribute and he is not slow at all when I've seen him. People forget that Beckham couldn't beat a man, had little pace and wasn't the worlds best tackler, yet he was the best crosser I've ever seen and set up more goals than most of the rest of the wingers in the premier league put together. If we sold McFadden and brought Downing in for the same money I'd welcome it. Yes he may be a risk, but he's young and hungry and he does have some class about him imo. If you just look at the some of the articles written about him in the last couple of years then you can see he is highly rated. I wouldn't want to spend big money on him, but if Moyes did think he was good enough then I'd trust him. If he was so highly rated then why isn't he at a better team than Middlesborough? No point harping on about England neither as a certain Mr. Rooney failed to score in a competitive match for that team for two years. England success is no standard to be judging by, regardless of which side you would be coming from on this issue. theres no point comparing downing and beckham, i rate downing higher than a fair few people here...but why compare class with decent, no point, beckham is, was, and will forever be twice the player downing could ever become... different league Well said. I couldn't agree more. rather get Pienaar whos better and cheaper Exactly! The point is, surely we should be aiming to capture more players of Pienaar's quality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Syrros Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I don't think we should go for Downing. He isn't that great after all and I think that he would be over priced (like all English players). I saw a guy playing for Bayer Leverkusen, his name is Tranquillo Barnetta. He is a great young player and he would fit in great at Everton. He is probably one of Leverkusens best players, and he would be cheaper than Downing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Boxing_Aussie Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I don't think we should go for Downing. He isn't that great after all and I think that he would be over priced (like all English players). I saw a guy playing for Bayer Leverkusen, his name is Tranquillo Barnetta. He is a great young player and he would fit in great at Everton. He is probably one of Leverkusens best players, and he would be cheaper than Downing. Leverkusen have set Barneta an asking price of 6.5 mln pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Barnetta is an interesting one. I've seen him play a couple of times and he looks quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...3085391,00.html I still don't want him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue4Ever Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) I hope moyes just signs Pienaar to get the downing links to die off, people have finally realised he's only a decent player and no were near england quality. VDM is still twice the player Downing is? are you being serious? Downing would probably go for about £7m, we can't even give VDM away. VDM must be about Edited January 28, 2008 by Blue4Ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Apparently we made a final offer of £9million for Downing. If thats true why don't we just buy Pienaar now instead of wasting money on crap like Downing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko 1990 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 i wouldnt mind Downing, i rate him. but 9 millions a bit steep but a left footed winger, i cant complain. ...................Cahill................... Downing..Manny...Carsley..Arteta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I'd prefer Pienaar for 3 million, think it would be better business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Spot on. Exactley what ive always thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko 1990 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Pienaae has been good, but will he keep it up? i agree with what your saying but i would prefer a natural left winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Pienaae has been good, but will he keep it up? i agree with what your saying but i would prefer a natural left winger. You could ask that about any player though. Being a natural left winger does not automatically make you any good, i.e. Kilbane. Downing just does not cut it for me, he hasn't got the skill to go past players so he relies on speed, and he doesn't even have that in abundance. I'd rather have an outstanding right footer who can play on the left than a half arsed left footer playing there just because he has a left foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko 1990 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 well ofcourse i dont mean just any left footer, but i suppose i didnt state that, Downing id Boro's main threat when going forward and often beats defenders to get the balll in the box, and can score goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 well ofcourse i dont mean just any left footer, but i suppose i didnt state that, Downing id Boro's main threat when going forward and often beats defenders to get the balll in the box, and can score goals. That's hardly saying anything really is it? I just don't rate him at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko 1990 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 ive noticed, but it would never be a good discussion if every1 liked him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 i think hes a good player, but not outstanding, maybe he looks good in a poor side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I think one important thing to think about is that would their be as much fuss about him if he was right footed? I think not. Would never have got close to england squad, wouldn't have been hyped up so much, the fact that he's left foted and englsih is what his whole career has hinged on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko 1990 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 could be another Jermaine Pennant, was great at a shit club, and is shit at the RS. but when Downing had games for England i dont think he played badly, so thats why i think he could be good at a good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 (edited) ^^ So your saying that he won't cut it at a great club like us but could do well at a good club like spurs? Edited January 29, 2008 by jamiemaher85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko 1990 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 could be another Jermaine Pennant, was great at a shit club, and is shit at the RS. but when Downing had games for England i dont think he played badly, so thats why i think he could be good at a good team. The thing about Pennant is he doesn't cross with any pace, he just floats it in and you can't get that much power in a header from a floated cross. Downing never impressed me for England, but the majority of the England team don't impress me tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 The thing about Pennant is he doesn't cross with any pace, he just floats it in and you can't get that much power in a header from a floated cross. Downing never impressed me for England, but the majority of the England team don't impress me tbh. Very fair comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko 1990 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 England team is a mess, this calls for its own thread, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everton_Worshiper Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Downing is shit and would be a bad signing IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 weve been in need of a decent left winger for years now, but suerly theres better out there than downing for 9mil, rather get some one like m.g.pederson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 not pederson. he is painfully inconsistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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