Hafnia Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Reminds me of when we were pursuing lukaku after his loan season. That scenario was more dissapointing as he had been exposed to our club in its best season for years... the fans got behind him but he wanted more prestige. That person is still evident now as he has been touting for a move since he signed a 5 year deal. Witsel either comes or he doesn't... just make your fookin mind up lad. Not many wanted you after your horrible leg breaker a few years ago. For me it's him or carvalho. They are being brought in to do an unspectacular job so no doubt even if they are excellent at it they will be subject to the mccarthy shouts of "doesn't do enough". I want one midfield water carrier - not two. So it will be this lad (or carvalho) + barkley for me. Barry as squad rotation... Mccarthy sold on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Can't believe you're blaming Lukaku for this Haf ?? when he came he just came there was no drama at all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 There is absolutely no evidence that we have even made him an offer and people are slating him for being greedy , Everton that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 There is absolutely no evidence that we have even made him an offer and people are slating him for being greedy , Everton that! Dunc there is no smoke without fire mate, I think it's footballs worst kept secret that we've bid and put a contractboffer on the table. Every major news outlet, ITK, Everton forum and Everton page have reported it. I've no problem with him going elsewhere for the money, just fucking hurry up and do it because I'm sick to the back teeth of it's on, it's off, he wants more money, a bigger signing on fee, he wants to go to Italy and the gazillion other reasons he's not signed. If he does sign now half the fanbase wont want him, if he doesn't get off to a flier he'll be an expensive floo because the fans will be on his back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 If we end up paying him £100k plus a week I'll be very pissed off. There is much, much better out there for that kind of money. He's no better than Fellaini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Can't believe you're blaming Lukaku for this Haf ?? when he came he just came there was no drama at all over it.There was... he said with 6 or 7 games to go in his loan season that he will sign for a champions league club only... which kinda wasn't good timing as we had top 4 in our own hands. Prior and after the world cup he pimped himself out and we were the only club to offer the asking price. Since then I've never really got the feeling that he bought into the club. So bearing this in mind the witsel situation is a bit similar. I don't think we are a top choice for him, he's hedging his bets. Will he see us as a stepping stone if he decides to grave us with his presence? Quite possibly. I suppose this is where we are right now. Like when city signed Robinho. Essentially I'm agreeing with you but using lukaku as an example... you know how I never miss a opportunity to do that. Btw is he back tomorrow or will he be still following Paul Pogba around? Edited July 24, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) If we end up paying him £100k plus a week I'll be very pissed off. There is much, much better out there for that kind of money. He's no better than Fellaini. "we" I don't want to be nitpicky, but it's for these situations that I always talk in third person ("EFC"). They know what they're doing imo. Edited July 24, 2016 by Mirallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 "we" I don't want to be nitpicky, but it's for these situations that I always talk in third person ("EFC"). They know what they're doing imo. We make up part of Everton, we are the fans. "They", the people who know what they are doing brought you Niasse, and Mcgeady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) We make up part of Everton, we are the fans. "They", the people who know what they are doing brought you Niasse, and Mcgeady. Yeah, people aren't as easy to predict as cattle. Sometimes you see something in a person and you have a vision of how someone fits into the EFC of tomorrow, but for some reason it doesn't work out. Even if in McGeady's case you can go like "told you so", it's still hindsight talk. I think Witsel is a good choice for the holding midfield. But you never know do you. It's actually a Spurs-like transfer. A pretty expensive, but just below world class mercenary. (no coincidence that they have a contingent of 4 first team Belgians) That doesn't mean it's a bad thing, Spurs did great last season. Edited July 24, 2016 by Mirallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Yeah, people aren't as easy to predict as cattle. Sometimes you see something in a person and you have a vision of how someone fits into the EFC of tomorrow, but for some reason it doesn't work out. Even if in McGeady's case you can go like "told you so", it's still hindsight talk. I think Witsel is a good choice for the holding midfield. But you never know do you. I hope with Koeman and Walsh the number of Niasse's and McGeady's brought into the club will fall dramatically. I think Witsel is talented but I think he hasn't proved himself. He took the easy option of going to Russia, I just don't know if he has the desire to be successful in the UK, I just think he is someone who has coasted through his career. Hope I'm wrong and if we sign him I will cheer him on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Well... easy option of going to Russia, that may be how you see their competition, but within the competition he has won several titles and played as one of the stars of the team. He was brought in together with Hulk, but proved to be a much more effective signing than Hulk. Before that, he only played for Benfica for one season, I think, but in that season he has won the hearts of the Lisbon fans and they were aggravated by the fact that he left Benfica for Zenit (€40m! one year after a €7m transfer from Standard to Benfica), while he could have gone to the Primera Division. All in all I think there's worse transfers to get for that money. Edited July 24, 2016 by Mirallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Stop with the 120k a week crap. That was a journo making stuff up. The semi credible hour is said its 60k a week and 20-25m pounds. It's not 30m and 120k a week guys just relax. We need this type of player. If koeman likes him and can utilize him in his system then let's get him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Stop with the 120k a week crap. That was a journo making stuff up. The semi credible hour is said its 60k a week and 20-25m pounds. It's not 30m and 120k a week guys just relax. We need this type of player. If koeman likes him and can utilize him in his system then let's get him in. Yeah the 30m thing was actually in euros btw, and it was from some Italian source I have never heard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 £60k a week? Darron Gibson is on that. Witsel will likely command £100k a week at least. The game has gone bonkers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Don't care about money just get him in. Much better player than anything else I'm hearing atm. duncanmckenzieismagic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Witsel is better than any player we currently have in that position and would be an excellent signing. Everything else (had the contract for weeks etc) is all hear say. And even so, its good to think about where you want to be instead of just jumping at the first contract. Ill start a new rumour, he also has a contract from Real Madrid on the table but prefers the offer from the blues. He told his agent that he is a fan of the toffees. Happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Whether you think Witsel has "proven" anything in his career, especially if you're likely to discount anything he's accomplished if he didn't do it in England (he does have 73 international caps and 80 European appearances, including several in the knockout stages of the Champions League), doesn't really matter: you pay for ability and he's a better player than Gibson, Besic, McCarthy and Barry. Zenit's manager has just said that he has recently asked his club to let him go, but that Zenit won't let him leave easily as he's a key player. I think I saw that posted somewhere in this very thread, so how do people still think he's kept Everton waiting for three weeks with everything but his signature still being required to get a deal through? Edited July 24, 2016 by Steve_E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 The way I see it is this.... The premier league clubs earned mega bucks... agents know how to convert this into the players earnings. When you are in for a player who is good enough to play for a top 5 club then they demand the relevant money. You can choose to pay it or lose them to a rival and go for a mahrez or Vardy and when they prove they are good you pay them ££££ or lose them. Ultimately the best proven players cost you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I honestly can't believe people don't rate this lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) I honestly can't believe people don't rate this lad. People don't know him. Only flags like "Russia" or "Zenit". And that may remind people of McGeady and Niasse. Edited July 24, 2016 by Mirallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Witsel is better than any player we currently have in that position and would be an excellent signing. Everything else (had the contract for weeks etc) is all hear say. And even so, its good to think about where you want to be instead of just jumping at the first contract. Ill start a new rumour, he also has a contract from Real Madrid on the table but prefers the offer from the blues. He told his agent that he is a fan of the toffees. Happy? But is he a better option than other players out there like Carvalho? In my opinion no. I heard Real Madrid were interested as well and did offer a contract, but then withdrew it because he dicked them around and they thought there were better options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 People don't know him. Only flags like "Russia" or "Zenit". And that may remind people of McGeady and Niasse. Where would you put the Russian league in terms of quality and competitiveness in regard to other European leagues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 But is he a better option than other players out there like Carvalho? In my opinion no. I heard Real Madrid were interested as well and did offer a contract, but then withdrew it because he dicked them around and they thought there were better options. I can't say as I haven't seen a lot of Carvalho, which is why I'm not making a big fuss about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I can't say as I haven't seen a lot of Carvalho, which is why I'm not making a big fuss about this. Carvalho played all the matches and minutes at the 2015 European Under-21 Championship. He was elected player of the tournament due to his performances, even though he missed the decisive attempt in the penalty shootout in the final against Sweden, with it saved by Patrik Carlgren after a 0–0 draw in Prague.[21][22][23][24][25] At UEFA Euro 2016 in France, Carvalho was suspended from Portugal's semi-final victory over Wales, but regained his place from Danilo in the final, a 1–0 win over the hosts at the Stade de France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Going to stop now as don't want this to turn into the Carvalho thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Carvalho played all the matches and minutes at the 2015 European Under-21 Championship. He was elected player of the tournament due to his performances, even though he missed the decisive attempt in the penalty shootout in the final against Sweden, with it saved by Patrik Carlgren after a 0–0 draw in Prague.[21][22][23][24][25] At UEFA Euro 2016 in France, Carvalho was suspended from Portugal's semi-final victory over Wales, but regained his place from Danilo in the final, a 1–0 win over the hosts at the Stade de France. And? Mirallas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Where would you put the Russian league in terms of quality and competitiveness in regard to other European leagues? Well as far as my opinion is relevant on the matter, I rate the Russian league below Italy, Germany, England and Spain, but above Belgium, Netherlands and Portugal. I see it as more or less on par with France (except PSG). Thanks to Russian money. Edited July 24, 2016 by Mirallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Carvalho, player of the tournament at the Euro U21's in 2015, played in all but one match in the 2016 Euros and played very well indicates to me that he is a very good player. In my opinion is a better option that Witsel. Edited July 24, 2016 by London Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 But is he a better option than other players out there like Carvalho? In my opinion no. I heard Real Madrid were interested as well and did offer a contract, but then withdrew it because he dicked them around and they thought there were better options. He was only dicking Real around because he wants to sign for Everton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Player of the tournament at the Euro U21's in 2015, played in all but one match in the 2016 Euros and played very well indicates to me that he is a very good player. In my opinion is a better option that Witsel. Royston Drenthe won player of the tournament at the Euro U21s once as well, and you should have seen his teammates Ryan Babel and top-goalscorer Maceo Rigters! It's a youth competition and pretty much meaningless. Congrats on him being a Portugal international, he's not likely to be shit but that's about all that tells you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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