duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 You can't get away from the fact that under kenwrights tenure we have had no organic growth - just decline. What we have seen is desperate book balancing. By that I mean: Rooney sale, lescott sale, arteta sale, bellefield sale, finch farm sale, mortgaging against future tv revenue and season tickets. All masqueraded in the form of a Leighton , a fellaini, jelavic, loan signings - football players are intangible assets. Our security was the roof over our heads, our training ground, low debt. We have lost fixed assets and increased debt - ah but that's ok cos mark Hughes and ginola aren't playing for us?! We are a couple of essential sales (appease banks) and poor backfills away from a poor team that will not feature anywhere near where we should be. We ain't got the financial infrastructure to wipe off a dalglish esque signing or two. we would have to stick with Adam and Henderson. All managers can make bad signings, when ours happen the consequences are compounded because of the board we have. Kenwright could have sold us - should have sold us but can't. Pick a reason... Phillip green is the man driving the terms, he loves his status, he ain't gotta clue. Bit of everything me thinks.., lol I see you have swerved that question again then haf! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Everyone has a right to their opinion there's no need to label and chastise what people follow or believe in whether that be the Blue Union or Moyes being a great manager it just makes you sound like an arrogant bellend. I agree with abit of what both of You have to say in regards to the club and so on but tend to lean abit more towards Haf as He clearly states facts in the correct way that are/could be very detrimental to this clubs future. We all want what is best for Everton what that may be differs from person to person...human nature ladies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 I completely agree that we need a new owner and I agree that the current regime have stripped assets in order to save us from doing a Sheffield Wednesday/Coventry/Derby/Leeds etc . It was never going to be a sustainable policy and now Bill has nothing else to sell hence the mess the club is in now Nobody else wanted to save the club from Johnson at the time and so if it wasnt for BK and his asset stripping we could be playing League 2 football now I know I will never get a straight answer from Haf or any of the Buffoon Union cronies on what they would rather BK had done so I will leave it at that and I will try not to get drawn into it again because it is boring going round and round in circles hearing the same old shite ( from both sides) I still think coming back from 2 goals down, twice, at Old Trafford is a good result though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 I was expecting a tonking to be honest at Old Trafford and was made up that We showed some positivity to get back into it. I'm pretty sure 99% of us would have taken a point prior to kick off even more so with our piss poor record at OT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus jones Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Hmmm, tough one this! What I don't get is if our income is x and our expenditure is y, and lets face it x does not cover y, how come this has not been sorted out years ago? Why does it seem that we have to sell players to stay afloat? I just want the club to be 1. debt free 2. self sufficient. How do we go about this? Haven't the foggiest I'm afraid, if I did then I would make a bid for the club myself. Still, if paying off the debt so we don't have to keep loosing money every financial year means selling Felli, Baines/Jags with all the cash going to the banks and none for Moyes then so be it. Maybe a wage cap of £40,000 a week would start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) I can understand both sides of the above argument. On one hand, getting a point at OT would generally be considered a good result and you can't do much more there than score four goals. On the other hand, I think this United team is getting by on reputation and fear and more teams should have a go at them as they look very shaky when attacked. However, you scored four goals, so it's not like you could have done much more in attack. It's the other end that cost yous. Edited April 27, 2012 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 I think our defense was poor through Baines not being there and Distin moved to replace him. It cocked things up badly IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 defo...distin really isn't comfortable there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 I completely agree that we need a new owner and I agree that the current regime have stripped assets in order to save us from doing a Sheffield Wednesday/Coventry/Derby/Leeds etc . It was never going to be a sustainable policy and now Bill has nothing else to sell hence the mess the club is in now Nobody else wanted to save the club from Johnson at the time and so if it wasnt for BK and his asset stripping we could be playing League 2 football now I know I will never get a straight answer from Haf or any of the Buffoon Union cronies on what they would rather BK had done so I will leave it at that and I will try not to get drawn into it again because it is boring going round and round in circles hearing the same old shite ( from both sides) I still think coming back from 2 goals down, twice, at Old Trafford is a good result though! I think there are things that we are looking to do now, that we should have been actively persuing in the past. I am talking about the marketing & merchandising deals, the ways to build a new stadium, actually looking for buyer (considering the Kirkby enquiry said BK wasnt). We dont know the ins & outs so its impossible for either side to speak conclusively either way. BK has done some good things and some bad things, and its my opinion on the information that is about for everyone to see on several pages of these threads that opportunities have been missed that would have allowed us to compete on a better financial footing. Going back to the game, if you had said that we would come back like that at OT I would have been delighted but I cant help but feel that we missed a golden opportunity to beat Utd in their own back yard. Its frustrating because we clearly had the ability to do it and take advantage of a poor United performance but we didnt. Bar about 20mins of magical football from them, that wasnt a typical Man Utd performance. We all support Everton and we all want the best for them. I might sound negative but its because I am optimistic about what we can do with the players we have, as we showed today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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