Louis Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 http://www.knvb.nl/nieuws/22777/oranjespelers-stil-van-auschwitz Seems a strange place to take the national team before the tournament, though they did similar with the Robben island prison in South Africa two years ago. I know England are also going to visit in the week. Slightly, off topic but did anyone see that Avram Grant made a tv programme about his family and Aufswithz, he lost several members of his family. It was on the BBC. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/danwalker/2012/05/avram_grants_story_is_an.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Gerrard recently spoke about when he visited there and he said it was a fantastic experience. I'm not really sure whether fantastic was the right word to use tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 He didn't think it through did he, he also said "I am lucky enough to have been to Auschwitz before" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 He's showing just how stupid he is. And this is the man that Hodgson has entrusted infront of the media... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Poor choice of words, but I think we know what he meant. He's not a bright lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) I visited Auschwitz a few years ago, its a pretty harrowing place to go, although Birkenau which is about 2km down the road is where the grimness really hits you. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the players wanted to go there, even though it is a pretty brutal visit I think it's something you should see if you are in the area. I wouldn't say it was "fantastic" though..what a knob. Edited June 7, 2012 by MoyesForPM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I lived in this town for a year. As the previous poster mentioned, Birkenau is a much grimmer place. You can't fail to come away from that place affected in some way. Auschwitz is much more of a museum, you can read some stuff there and see some exhibitions, but at Birkenau the sheer scale really hits you and you really get an feel for just how big an operation is was. A wouldn't use the world 'fantastic' to describe the experience of visiting these places; it's certainly not what I'd call a 'fun' day out. Still, having said that that it's definitely an experience worth having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Really like to visit one day....wife's family lost people there, as well as at other camps. I've researched online and found death certificates, deportation orders etc for some of them. Probably difficult to describe but "fantastic" is inappropriate....but as Ste said, I'm sure that's not what he meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I'd like to go too but as far as I know I never lost any relatives there. When people are talking about Birkenau and the "scale of the operation", is that the same as what is known as Auschwitz II i.e. the larger building and extermination camp ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) When people are talking about Birkenau and the "scale of the operation", is that the same as what is known as Auschwitz II i.e. the larger building and extermination camp ? Yeah pretty much. What's surreal is that there's an 'extermination building' right a the back of the camp. You walk through some trees and then suddenly there's this building with a clearing the other side of it where they burnt the bodies. I hear accounts from locals while I was living there that the smell from the burning bodies would linger over the whole town (the town centre is actually about 2-3km away) for days. Here's some aerial views. http://en.auschwitz....&id=8&Itemid=35 http://www.jewishvir...erial122144.jpg If you find where the train comes in (boxcars in b/w image), to the right is the women's camp and to the left the men's. Each on of those buildings is basically a large barn. Each could hold up to 1000 men. This one shows Auschwitz I, you can clearly see that it's just a fraction the size of the larger camp. http://en.auschwitz....&id=7&Itemid=35 Edited June 7, 2012 by wallwriter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I keep reading the title as I would a Biggles adventure title.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I know what you mean, it reminded me of Horace goes skiing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Amazing piece this... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/danwalker/2012/05/avram_grants_story_is_an.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 That is some horror story, you just couldnt write that. Must have been some experience being with Grant on that trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Read the other day the 'introduction' speech that welcomed the prisoners - telling them they would be rewarded for hard work, that after their showers to let the guards know of any dietary requirements for the hot meal they would receive - of course they went into these showers and never came out alive... just unbelievable that human beings are capable of such atrocities, the very type that are still ongoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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