What market are we shopping in?

[Peter H]

Most valuable and richest football clubs according to Forbes in 2013

 

1 - Real Madrid (fighting for league every year)

2 - Manchester United (fighting for league every year)

3 - Barcelona (fighting for league every year)

4 - Arsenal (no where near league title for a long time)

5 - B Munich (fighting for league every year)

6 - AC Milan (fighting for league ALMOST every year)

7 - Chelsea (not really there are they? Fighting for the league every now and then)

8 - Juventus (fighting for league ALMOST every year)

9 - Manchester City (fighting for league every year in recent years)

10 - Liverpool (No where near fighting for the league)

 

The two stand out clubs in this list are Arsenal and Liverpool in 2 very different ways. Arsenal are rich but dont spend anything. Liverpool spend shit loads but are simply crap.

 

Look at the past 10 or so years, who has won the prem? All winners come from this top 10. Results have very little to do with the manager, its to do with resources with just ONE exeption (Liverpool who spend shitloads but achieve nothing) Arsenal are not an exeption as they have shit loads but SPEND nothing.

 

Manchester United - 6 times

Arsenal - 1 time

Chelsea - 3 times

Manchester City - 1 time

 

Look at Man Citys results since they were bought and started to spend money:

 

Premier league marathon since 1992 - Man City in 10th place

Premier league marathon last 10 years - Man City in 5th place

Premier league marathon last 5 years - Man City in 2nd place

Premier league marathon last 2 years - Man City in 2nd place

 

Look at Everton:

Premier league marathon since 1992 - Everton in 7th place

Premier league marathon last 10 years - Everton in 7th place

Premier league marathon last 5 years - Everton in 7nd place

Premier league marathon last 2 years - Everton in 6nd place

 

No money, no real advancement. Great achievement though.

[Peter H]

I know that I wanted to say something with the above but I cant remember what it was, sorry

[Cornish Steve]

I know that I wanted to say something with the above but I cant remember what it was, sorry

 

And all I have to say about that is.......nah, forget it.

[Lowensda]

 

And all I have to say about that is.......nah, forget it, yo homes to Bel-air.

Sorted.

[Steve_E]

Interesting article on how we went looking for our markets

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/scouting-system-that-reveals-david-moyes-mind-8756011.html

 

I've just downloaded the book and read the Everton chapter which expands a bit on that extract. The extract says we had a list of 3 goal keepers we were interested in for emergency loans. The book says: "It included Brad Guzan of Aston Villa, Vito Mannone of Arsenal and Chris Kirkland, whose injury-plagued career had stalled at Wigan".

 

It also confirmed that we were indeed very keen on Jack Butland in January. And it also said that we were once very interested in James Rodriguez (eventually signed for Porto, moved to Monaco this summer) but that we gave up soon because we wouldn't be able to secure a work permit.

 

About our scouts it said that Robbie Cooke was our chief scout, with Tony Henry is principal ally. Henry helps supervise six part-timers, who operate in the UK. Thomas Hengen operates full time in Germany. We have 13 additional part-time scouts, based largely in Europe. Bryan King is responsible for a three man team in Scandinavia.

 

Smith (the head of technical scouting) has a whiteboard of his own with players from Japan and Korea. He also said: "When I first got into this I had this idea that for each position you would have three players. You know: that's the one we really want, that's the next one, and that's the next one. Once once of those either signs for you or moves to another club you'd replace him with another one. In reality it's not that simple. If you're looking to fill a particular position, three isn't really enough. You almost need eight or nine. If you're Man City, or Man United maybe, you just need the one name, because you've got the money to go and get whoever you want. But if you're Everton you come up with a list of quite a few who you think could come in and do the job. You actually end up signing the one you can get".

[Steve_E]

It also confirmed that we were indeed very keen on Jack Butland in January.

 

Further in the book it says that Mark Cartwright, who signed as Stoke's technical director on 10 december 2012, used to be an agent (for Beswick Sports) and that his client list included Butland. That would explain why Butland ended up at Stoke rather than Everton probably.