Matt Posted October 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I don't understand what your getting at with lesbian porn Matt? It's so far away from the debate it's irrelevant. They are paid actresses who are paid money to perform.if you accept it in porn, you should accept it in reality too, regardless of whether it's a job or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 In school (I was 15 or so), I had a friend who was rumoured to have tried to kiss another boy when he staying over at someone's house with another boy from our class, and this guy went from being a really popular in our class to being ostracised by practically the whole class. It was strange because he had been popular from year 7 right through to 11 and then this happened. I still spoke to him, but not as much as I used to. Looking back, it was so harsh and I'm ashamed by how he was treated, even though I was one of the few people to continue speaking to him. I left the school soon after and started college while most attended sixth form. At college, I met people who were gay and bisexual and befriended them. I don't have any problem with LBGT people, although I do find some unusual and/or funny (there is a 'guy' well known on the Wirral who is about 6ft5in tall, built like a rugby prop and goes by the name of Stephanie - she looks unusual as she is dressed in frilly dresses, a blonde wig and rides a men's mountain bike, she volunteers in one of the charity shops in West Kirby - it's the men's bike that tickles me, no effort!) (I went back and converted 'he' to 'she' when reading that back), it's how I process it but can understand that people want to be referred to as the sex they dress as). I see no reason why LBGT people can not have a civil union or a marriage, it's their choice. If it came to it, I'd even support an offshoot of the churches forming which were open to LBGT marriages. It's worth noting that the Church of England was formed because Henry VIII wanted the ability to divorce Catherine of Aragon. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 if you accept it in porn, you should accept it in reality too, regardless of whether it's a job or not. Again the counter argument is should we accept everything we see done by paid actors/actresses. Like the game GTA it's possible to cut pedestrians heads off etc I believe so should we accept that because it on screen? The point I am making is that it's not reality. Nobody should accept anything they feel is wrong, it's what we do with our decesion I.E like me and zoo don't agree with it but we don't cause harm or want harm brought to them from our decision we let them get on with it as it's thier decesion and don't harm anyone but when debating the topic we share our opinion. We wouldn't be human if we chose to agree to things that we subconsciously didn't agree with... If that makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Again the counter argument is should we accept everything we see done by paid actors/actresses. Like the game GTA it's possible to cut pedestrians heads off etc I believe so should we accept that because it on screen? The point I am making is that it's not reality. Nobody should accept anything they feel is wrong, it's what we do with our decesion I.E like me and zoo don't agree with it but we don't cause harm or want harm brought to them from our decision we let them get on with it as it's thier decesion and don't harm anyone but when debating the topic we share our opinion. We wouldn't be human if we chose to agree to things that we subconsciously didn't agree with... If that makes sense i'll say again, I'm not against people being against it, so long as there is no verbal or physical abuse. Just trying to understand the side that's against it, again, I agree to an extent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I wouldn't not be friends with someone due to their sexuality but if they were to ask me my opinion I would tell them. I like the gays that I have met they are usually hilarious but I still don't agree with people being gay but my view wouldn't stop me from speaking socialising etc Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I wouldn't not be friends with someone due to their sexuality but if they were to ask me my opinion I would tell them. I like the gays that I have met they are usually hilarious but I still don't agree with people being gay but my view wouldn't stop me from speaking socialising etcfair enough I don't like the idea that people HAVE to accept it, but I'm curious why people dont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 i'll say again, I'm not against people being against it, so long as there is no verbal or physical abuse. Just trying to understand the side that's against it, again, I agree to an extent Can't really explain it's just a natural instinct for me not to agree with it, like you will find something's unacceptable that I find acceptable just different views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Like fox hunting many people share different views. It's a horrible sport which has been part of the English heritage for centuries and hundreds of generations many people agree with it as of that reason. It's a horrible sport but people agree with it for another reason as foxes are a nuisance to farmers and cause a lot of destruction and money, cattle loss so it's good that the foxes are hunted and killed but.... It's not really 'right' is it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 How did this discussion get on to Lesbian / gay porn? It now sounds like a school yard snigger rather than a debate guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 How did this discussion get on to Lesbian / gay porn? It now sounds like a school yard snigger rather than a debate guys. Why does it me and Matt were having a good debate there with no sarcasm or sniggering involved from either of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Why does it me and Matt were having a good debate there with no sarcasm or sniggering involved from either of us I don't understand what your getting at with lesbian porn Matt? It's so far away from the debate it's irrelevant. They are paid actresses who are paid money to perform. Make your mind up mate. :dont know: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 At first glance, I thought this was about sandwich fillings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Make your mind up mate. :dont know: What are you talking about? Matt made a point that I though was irrelevant? What's your issue? Just do one mate because you don't offer anything to this debate. Meow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Your argument is for discrimination in general Matt, that isn't what the debate is about. Do you discriminate against one of the biggest groups of people in the world... Al Quieda (spelling) because they follow their beliefs.... Obviously you would as would everyone. Their beliefs aren't what should be discriminated against, it's their destructive actions. You have to be able to separate their Islamic identity and their violent nature. Some seem to confuse the two, especially here in the USA. Their beliefs may lead to their actions, but I honestly think that they are they way they are because of the environment they come from and that they're are misinformed about those who they attack. They target, for example, a group of people from a government that has an ideology that differs from their own, but the people may not actually be that different in nature. In my opinion, they are a corrupt group who brainwashes others into thinking that "infidels" deserve to die, while a great proportion of the Islamic community does not feel this way; they are more aggressive and louder than their counterparts, so they are more likely to be heard. But, I digress.... It's okay to be uncomfortable around homosexuals, but I thought the "mental illness" comment was a little insensitive. Edited October 3, 2013 by TonkaRoost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 What are you talking about? Matt made a point that I though was irrelevant? What's your issue? Just do one mate because you don't offer anything to this debate. Meow You're always on the defensive mate. Lighten up. You said yourself that the lesbian thing brought up by Matt was irrelevant. At that point, I thought for a second you were proving to have more about you than I'd given you credit for, but then you go and blow it once again. Chill. I think I can bring plenty to the debate, as I'm the father of a beautiful daughter who is in a relationship with another beautiful woman, and has been for some years, and I'm fairly sure she isn't 'mentally ill' as you put it, nor the sort of person one would want to escape from, as Matt put it, and both make me proud every second of every day. It's sad that folk are unable to recognise perfectly wonderful and normal people without fantasizing about them in a movie, or thinking there is something wrong. You weren't to know though, but a little insight and understanding is all it takes, to be a better person. Kohen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 You're always on the defensive mate. Lighten up. You said yourself that the lesbian thing brought up by Matt was irrelevant. At that point, I thought for a second you were proving to have more about you than I'd given you credit for, but then you go and blow it once again. Chill. I think I can bring plenty to the debate, as I'm the father of a beautiful daughter who is in a relationship with another beautiful woman, and has been for some years, and I'm fairly sure she isn't 'mentally ill' as you put it, nor the sort of person one would want to escape from, as Matt put it, and both make me proud every second of every day. It's sad that folk are unable to recognise perfectly wonderful and normal people without fantasizing about them in a movie, or thinking there is something wrong. You weren't to know though, but a little insight and understanding is all it takes, to be a better person. That's just great but couldn't give two shits. You come into a debate try and make something of nothing and then try and be little me and make out I am contradicting myself when in fact that wasn't the case at all. If you want to enter a debate then say something constructive and people might actually give you some respect. You talk constant shit, how would understanding the whole gay issue make me a better person I have already stated I don't have anything against the people and actually have loved the company of the few gays I have met I just don't agree with the whole being with same sex. Even if I could understand the whole gay thing I doubt I would be holding banners and doing cart wheels on protest and promotion events for the group. To say someone is a lesser person or could be a better person because they have a different view is an insult. And quite frankly your a joke with your whole 'proud every second of the day' bollocks. This is a friendly debate with good points of view so piss off and find another forum to troll and cause unnecessary arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Their beliefs aren't what should be discriminated against, it's their destructive actions. You have to be able to separate their Islamic identity and their violent nature. Some seem to confuse the two, especially here in the USA. Their beliefs may lead to their actions, but I honestly think that they are they way they are because of the environment they come from and that they're are misinformed about those who they attack. They target, for example, a group of people from a government that has an ideology that differs from their own, but the people may not actually be that different in nature. In my opinion, they are a corrupt group who brainwashes others into thinking that "infidels" deserve to die, while a great proportion of the Islamic community does not feel this way; they are more aggressive and louder than their counterparts, so they are more likely to be heard. But, I digress.... It's okay to be uncomfortable around homosexuals, but I thought the "mental illness" comment was a little insensitive. It was the ideology of people discriminating against others for having alternative beliefs views on things. We do not need to enter a debate about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 That's just great but couldn't give two shits. You come into a debate try and make something of nothing and then try and be little me and make out I am contradicting myself when in fact that wasn't the case at all. If you want to enter a debate then say something constructive and people might actually give you some respect. You talk constant shit, how would understanding the whole gay issue make me a better person I have already stated I don't have anything against the people and actually have loved the company of the few gays I have met I just don't agree with the whole being with same sex. Even if I could understand the whole gay thing I doubt I would be holding banners and doing cart wheels on protest and promotion events for the group. To say someone is a lesser person or could be a better person because they have a different view is an insult. And quite frankly your a joke with your whole 'proud every second of the day' bollocks. This is a friendly debate with good points of view so piss off and find another forum to troll and cause unnecessary arguments. Mate, you really are one proper gobshite. Horrible nasty little boy if ever there was one. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Mate, you really are one proper gobshite. Horrible nasty little boy if ever there was one. How's that? From that post you have said I am a gobshite and a nasty little boy. Your laughable and I cringe every time you post because you post shit, shit counter arguments, shit jokes and if your not talking shit. Your stirring shit up, you love that wooden spoon don't you. If you don't like it then move onto another forum where you can argue and cause trouble to your hearts content. Now that would make me happy 'every single day'. Bore off mate or have a discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Oh dear. I laughed at the Meow btw. For those that didn't know my cat was killed a few days ago. This is the type of guy we're dealing with here. Feel free to pm me if you know who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 It was the ideology of people discriminating against others for having alternative beliefs views on things. We do not need to enter a debate about it. What? This makes no sense. Which part of my comment are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Oh dear. I laughed at the Meow btw. For those that didn't know my cat was killed a few days ago. This is the type of guy we're dealing with here. Feel free to pm me if you know who he is. I had no idea you had a cat actually why is it all about you, how would I know about the death of a cat? You really are an odd one. What you going to do big man? See how much of a joke you are..... Also what makes you think you could/would do anything to me? Dangerous game threatening (inadvertently of course because your a joke) someone you have no idea who they are.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 2013, using the world wide web as a means of debating and being gay is an issue to some... the reality is it always will and that's why the laces are a good idea to try and someway break down this "fear" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 What? This makes no sense. Which part of my comment are you referring to? Doesn't matter. Just the Al Queida was irrelevant on my half it was just the ideology of people being able to believe in their beliefs without being wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) @Matt: Lesbian porn is alright for entertainment purposes. I'm male and am attracted to females so lesbian porn is alright right? As for the actual nature of the thing then I don't feel any different. Women were created to have sex with men and carry on the human race, by having it off with women they are performing un-natural acts. It might be quite fun to watch from time to time but it doesn't change the fact that it's wrong. If you'd have been born gay it would be completely natural to you. Nobody is suggesting "encouraging" it, that's just your prejudice and/or fear talking. Nobody is born gay - being gay is a preference to those who want to be different. Edited October 3, 2013 by Zoo StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Nobody is born gay. Controversial... I think people are born with it though, what other explanation is there? Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Society accepts homosexuality so people believe that it's a normal thing to do. The laws of nature determine that we were put on this planet to reproduce and being gay doesn't achieve that. It's in a humans genes to be attracted to the opposite sex, being gay is purely a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Controversial... I think people are born with it though, what other explanation is there? I agree. I don't think straight people look at gay people and think: "Wow, that looks fun, and all the verbal abuse -- and in some cases, physical abuse -- that comes along with it is a plus." :dont know: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Society accepts homosexuality so people believe that it's a normal thing to do. The laws of nature determine that we were put on this planet to reproduce and being gay doesn't achieve that. It's in a humans genes to be attracted to the opposite sex, being gay is purely a choice. Good analogy to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 If you were born, were told shagging men was normal the chances are there would be a large portion of people doing it. Society accepting homosexuality increases the number of people doing it as they don't believe they are doing anything wrong. There might be a natural inkling to be gay, I won't deny that but not wanting the opposite sex isn't natural, it goes against nature's laws. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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