Sibdane Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 If you were born, were told shagging men was normal the chances are there would be a large portion of people doing it. Society accepting homosexuality increases the number of people doing it as they don't believe they are doing anything wrong. There might be a natural inkling to be gay, I won't deny that but not wanting the opposite sex isn't natural, it goes against nature's laws. Wouldn't "nature's law" tell you that it's wrong then, since it goes against your natural instinct? Since you're apart of a society that generally accepts gays then why aren't you out trying to pick up some dudes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 if gay was a choice then why would there be so much repressed behaviour by gay people who struggle to accept what they are for the reason they have been forced to believe it's wrong? it's ridiculous to suggest that all these poor sods who have lived lies and got married etc "chose" to be gay after years of self torment. we had Gareth Thomas the rugby player come into work to talk about his struggle with accepting who he was, extremely upsetting and to be honest would change the mind of anyone who says homosexuality is wrong or chosen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 if gay was a choice then why would there be so much repressed behaviour by gay people who struggle to accept what they are for the reason they have been forced to believe it's wrong? it's ridiculous to suggest that all these poor sods who have lived lies and got married etc "chose" to be gay after years of self torment. we had Gareth Thomas the rugby player come into work to talk about his struggle with accepting who he was, extremely upsetting and to be honest would change the mind of anyone who says homosexuality is wrong or chosen I am sure there are some dreadful stories but I still don't believe in it however if that's what people choose than fine. I accept it but can't agree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Can't really explain it's just a natural instinct for me not to agree with it, like you will find something's unacceptable that I find acceptable just different views. that is perfectly reasonable in my opinion, and the best way you've phrased your beliefs Their beliefs aren't what should be discriminated against, it's their destructive actions. You have to be able to separate their Islamic identity and their violent nature. Some seem to confuse the two, especially here in the USA. Their beliefs may lead to their actions, but I honestly think that they are they way they are because of the environment they come from and that they're are misinformed about those who they attack. They target, for example, a group of people from a government that has an ideology that differs from their own, but the people may not actually be that different in nature. In my opinion, they are a corrupt group who brainwashes others into thinking that "infidels" deserve to die, while a great proportion of the Islamic community does not feel this way; they are more aggressive and louder than their counterparts, so they are more likely to be heard. But, I digress.... It's okay to be uncomfortable around homosexuals, but I thought the "mental illness" comment was a little insensitive. again, good argument I accept it but can't agree with it.again, well put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Society accepts homosexuality so people believe that it's a normal thing to do. Only for the last twenty years or so. Doesn't explain why people have been gay since people have existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 If you were born, were told shagging men was normal the chances are there would be a large portion of people doing it. Society accepting homosexuality increases the number of people doing it as they don't believe they are doing anything wrong. There might be a natural inkling to be gay, I won't deny that but not wanting the opposite sex isn't natural, it goes against nature's laws. It's important to remember that being gay is not about having sex Zoo. Sex is simply sex. Being gay is a response to the instructions of your own dna. The body is an amazing thing, and changes during puberty for example can totally shift a persons fruition. Whether we think it is right or wrong is irrelevant, but to suggest it isn't natural is wrong, as we are not in a position to change our course. There are millions of men leading lives that conform to the popular path, having sex with women, and raising families and so on, that are denying their actual preferences because of the stigma attached, and the same goes for women. What is most important in my opinion is to judge people as individuals, and allow each individual their own personality and their own destiny, without categorizing them. Romey 1878 and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Only for the last twenty years or so. Doesn't explain why people have been gay since people have existed. That's a fair point, weren't the Romans gay obviously not all... There is evidence of homosexuality dating back even before then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Furthermore, if society accepts gays then why not just be bisexual? Obviously, being straight is the more widely-accepted option. Why completely cut out one option when society deems them both acceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 That's a fair point, weren't the Romans gay obviously not all... There is evidence of homosexuality dating back even before then.then there's the ancient Greeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 It's important to remember that being gay is not about having sex Zoo. Sex is simply sex. Being gay is a response to the instructions of your own dna. The body is an amazing thing, and changes during puberty for example can totally shift a persons fruition. Whether we think it is right or wrong is irrelevant, but to suggest it isn't natural is wrong, as we are not in a position to change our course. There are millions of men leading lives that conform to the popular path, having sex with women, and raising families and so on, that are denying their actual preferences because of the stigma attached, and the same goes for women. What is most important in my opinion is to judge people as individuals, and allow each individual their own personality and their own destiny, without categorizing them. Shame you didn't say that an hour ago rather than wading in with a wooden spoon acting 10 men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Shame you didn't say that an hour ago rather than wading in with a wooden spoon acting 10 men. BB, Why don't you read back, and realise you reacted over my asking why a conversation had gone from rainbow lace wearing footballers to lesbian porn? You yourself had questioned it, which makes your reaction so much more difficult to comprehend. I don't get the wooden spoon thing, nor the 10 men thing, and if you check the shoutbox you'll see the conversation about the cat. Why else would you write "Meow"? You jump in far too quickly with assumptions, and your aggression in correspondence is unnecessary. I would guess you are fairly young judging by your tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 BB, Why don't you read back, and realise you reacted over my asking why a conversation had gone from rainbow lace wearing footballers to lesbian porn? You yourself had questioned it, which makes your reaction so much more difficult to comprehend. I don't get the wooden spoon thing, nor the 10 men thing, and if you check the shoutbox you'll see the conversation about the cat. Why else would you write "Meow"? You jump in far too quickly with assumptions, and your aggression in correspondence is unnecessary. I would guess you are fairly young judging by your tone. Don't need to read back, you have a vulgar condescending air about you and it should have been curbed when you were once yourself very young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 When I mention sex I'm just using that as an example. I'm not debating that some people have gay thoughts, what I'm saying is that it's un-natural to go and be a homosexual. Nature tells you that sex and relationships between a man and a woman is the normal way to go as that is the same for all species. All species reproduce with a male and female to reproduce. It comes down to survival of the fittest. If 100% of the population was gay would we still be a species? No, because we wouldn't have any babies in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Don't need to read back, you have a vulgar condescending air about you and it should have been curbed when you were once yourself very young. OK mate. I think we're probably done here. Have a nice day etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I will never date a super model either should we talk about that? No? Well why do we talk about Homosexuals? It is none of our business what folks do in their own lives. It doesn't hurt anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I will never date a super model either should we talk about that? No? Well why do we talk about Homosexuals? It is none of our business what folks do in their own lives. It doesn't hurt anyone else. KY is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Trust you. :shaking fist: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kohen Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 . All species reproduce with a male and female to reproduce. . Well that's just not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Well that's just not true. I thought that too, though for mammals Im pretty sure its correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 I thought that too, though for mammals Im pretty sure its correct. And Birds and reptiles. Obvious exceptions being Slugs which are hermaphrodites. and invertebrates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 And Birds and reptiles. Obvious exceptions being Slugs which are hermaphrodites. and invertebrates.some reptiles don't, some frogs don't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 some reptiles don't, some frogs don't either. Name and shame :shaking fist: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 That's a fair point, weren't the Romans gay obviously not all... There is evidence of homosexuality dating back even before then. then there's the ancient Greeks! think in most cases it was a choice back then...women were used just as reproductive vessels really...men were seen as better class citizens so to have sex with a man was seen as more socially acceptable..that's what i read anyways as for the gay marriage thing..shouldn't be allowed..as stated it's a religious thing..never sure why they'd want to get married in the eyes of a god that doesn't accept them to be honest i don't believe in marriage because i don't believe in god..so to me it's a pointless act..but i also wouldn't expect to be allowed to get married if i wanted to but still didn't believe in god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 some frogs change sex rubes..never watched jurassic park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Name and shame :shaking fist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidodactylus_lugubris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Lepidodactylus lugubris has evolved over time to be homosexual to continue it's race. I think humans are doing alright to be honest, no need to start shagging the same sex there are plenty of us to go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 By wearing rainbow laces I'd be saying that I'm agreeing with homosexuallity - which I don't. I disagree. It would be saying that you refuse to support discrimination against gays - which is something quite different. It's not promoting anything; it's highlighting and trying to overcome discrimination. Matt and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 being gay isn't a choice, just like the colour of your skin isn't a choice. wearing the laces is no different to wearing kick racism out of football shirts... unless thats perceived as the promotion of being black? In fairness, that's the narrative of our culture but it's not yet backed up genetically. I have little doubt, though, that it will be over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 simple yes / no question then mate; do GLBT people deserve equal rights? Absolutely, yes. This demands tolerance from everyone. While I would argue that we can expect everyone to be tolerant and treat everyone with respect and dignity, we cannot demand that everyone accept. There's a big difference between tolerance and acceptance. Matt and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25051626 Can't think what gesture could be homophobic :dont know:. Anyone have any idea what he did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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