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23 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:
Ok Einstein please tell me how you know what Newcastle fans think if you’ve never actually spoken to any?
It’s well documented in the media and on Newcastle forums everywhere how highly regarded he was there but you somehow seem to know better than Newcastle fans what they are actually thinking
What's the relevance of what Newcastle fans think? I've said I agree they liked Rafa more, but that's more because of his name.
We were guilty of it last year. If Ancelotti didn't have his reputation there would have been a lot more noise about the football we were playing.
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53 minutes ago, Hafnia said:
Long and short is this..... Rafa or Allardyce/Bruce..... Only an absolute idiot would choose either of the last 2. Both who have best mates in the media.
Only thing that makes me an idiot is engaging with the likes of you. How many digs is that now? Yet you go crying to the mods when I throw mud back at yer and fuck off on a hiatus when you don't get your own way.
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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:
First one is ridiculously bias from the off. It's a Bruce out piece going on about the money spent. Benetiz abandoned ship after they lost their two best players (Perez and Rondon). They only scored 4 less goals the next season without them and finished roughly the same in the league. Much harder job that Benetiz wasn't up to, fact is he knew he'd get them relegated again. Fact.
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7 hours ago, Hafnia said:
A big name like Ancellotti, koeman?
Heres a fact for you that you won't like .... Benitez has coached our players and spent more relative time on the training pitch than koeman, Ancellotti and Allardyce put together.
Allardyce pissed off to Spain for 3 days a week leaving training to Sammy Lee and co. Part time manager.
Allardyce was absolutely shit. Lucked out by Baines and Coleman returning from injury despite wasting £50m on tosun and Walcott.
I'm made up we have got benitez, absolutely made up. Great manager, you can see how he got Valencia to win back to back la Ligas.
Why wouldn't I like that fact? Which lets me honest can't be true given the relatively short time Benetiz has been here. Or have you personally been at Finch farm the last five years with a stop watch?
Any how, how is that even relevant.
People have short memories. Walcott was the single player worth watching under Alladyce. Fat Sam even got goals out of Tosun, eventually after giving him extra time to get up to speed, although I do remember one inpatient fan calling him the worse manager ever for not playing Tosun every week from the off. Alladyce claims he wanted Aubamayang but the club opted for Tosun so you might want to blame Walsh for that one. Alladyce also addressed we needed a centre mid but the club failed to bring one in. Madness that Silva then spunked the budget on a winger rather than a centre mid the following summer. Alladyce would have built a better team and we'd be in a better position now rather than go full circle and get another Alladyce style manager. Only difference Benetiz tends to leave squads worse than what he begins with.
6 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:Have you actually spoken to a single Newcastle fan or are you just making shit up again?
I have spoken to plenty and whilst they were obviously delighted to bring in a big name manager they loved him because of the job he did there, which is why they all wanted him back
Personally I sympathised with West Ham fans who wanted rid of Fat Sam and completely understood why as growing up I always had a soft spot for them because they were synonymous for playing good football, so no we didn’t all laugh and those that did will more than likely have been laughing at their misfortune . As for ten now playing Allardyce football you are clearly on the wind up, Moyes has got them playing fast attacking football and only Man City & Man Utd have scored more, so your chatting more bollocks there
Why would I need to speak to a Newcastle fan. So they can tell me who they like more. That's not the question.
I'll ask again. How was Benetiz better than Bruce?
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36 minutes ago, Palfy said:
I know a few hammers fans they like Newcastle fans who ran Allardyce out the club with their protests, ran Moyes out first time round. It would be fair to say all West Ham fans didn’t want Moyes back and probably a big element still don’t want him there, but like a lot of Everton fans who still don’t want Benitez they are finding it hard to show there criticism because basically when teams are winning and points are being won you come across as a bit of a dick wanting them gone, but all that’s happened is they have become sleepers waiting for and hoping things go wrong so they can say they were right, Benitez is shit and a cunt and we should never have given him the job, we know it’s coming as sure as night and day.
People are acting like we're lucky to have him. We're a big club and should be aiming higher than a journey man who just wants to finally get a job closer to home. His biggest success was over 15 years ago and he's not lasted more than 2 seasons at any club other than Newcastle.
So far we're 2 points down than we should be thanks to him picking Keane.
We were lucky against Burnley. Could have easily been three down by half time.
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19 minutes ago, London Blue said:
I will not get dragged down this rabbit hole, I will not.
Ahh fuck it, one more comment.
Pete if you speak to West Ham, West Brom, Crystal Palace and Newcastle fans their opinion on Allardyce, the vast majority will, once you have taken the swear words out say they loathed his being their manager. They say the brand of football he plays kills the enjoyment they had watching their sides.
They also say he made little or no effort to get to know the fans, interact with them, or embrace their clubs history.
How do I know this, because I work with fans from most prem, championship clubs, and we all talk football.
In a previous post I said appointing Allardyce was contentious, I will change that, the vast majority offottball fans would not want Allardyce managing their club. The vast majority of football fans from non top 6 teams would be ok Benetiz managing their club.
Newcastle fans like Benetiz more than Bruce purely because of the name. They accepted playing shit football and just about staying up as they liked having a name in charge. Popularity polls don't mean anything.
We all laughed when West Ham fans wanted rid of Alladyce to play the West Ham way. They're finally happy again... Now they're back to playing how fat Sam had them playing albeit Moyes at the helm.
If anything Palace were even more defensive. Hodgson did a really good job keeping them in the league but I'd hate to watch them every week the past few years.
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36 minutes ago, Hafnia said:
Haha is this parody Pete taking over?
Fans never gave Allardyce a chance? They actually did and he drove the majority to despair..... The worst football I have ever witnessed at Everton and I watched Mike Walkers team.
An ex Liverpool manager is more popular than that fat slobbish classless greedy cunt because he actually knows what he's doing and he's not a piss taking brown envelope taking nob head.
No they never, he came after the England sack with many bemoaning him from day one. What was the football like under Koeman that got him the sack?
Given the players Silva had at his disposal the football and results should have been a lot better. The football wasn't good enough and the results no better.
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14 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:
The first half was poor, nowhere near Allardyce poor but bad all the same. But the point here , that you seem to be missing, is that Rafa changed it even after we had just equalised and what followed was exhilarating
I think all of his substitutions have been spot on , each has had a positive impact on the game
Fat Sam would have settled for the point and had we just equalised the only subs he would be making would be defensive ones
If he had seen Townsend shooting from distance he would have spilt his Bisto in the rush to haul him off for not spotting the back pass instead
Surely even you can see that we are far more attacking and get the ball forward far more quickly under Rafa?
It was equally as poor. Burnley had us pegged in our own half like they were man United under Ferguson.
Why would he have settled for a point? That's just pure opinion with nothing to base it on.
Again baseless. If anything Benetiz is the one more focused on percentage football and wanting players to do exactly what he wants. Alladyce allows more freedom.
We are more attacking, but that's down to the players available. Alladyce played more attacking football with wba than he did Everton. Doucoure alone instead of Gana makes us more attacking. The team we had lacked a centre mid and pace on the wings.
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10 minutes ago, plaidharper said:
Shellshocked that Fat Sam is still mentioned in this forum. Literally shiver when I read his name. Sure other managers have had a longer lasting effect on the club *cough Koeman cough* but do you remember match days under Sam? What a dark joyless time that was. Hopefully, we will be past it by the time we are in the new stadium. Rafa was not my first choice or top 5 but come on folks...
Exactly, Koeman forced it on us. I doubt many managers would do differently than Alladyce did. It was a good job that we got fat Sam before Silva, as I dread to think how bad we'd have been with his football and that lot of players.
Walcott was the only exciting player to watch. So Alladyce at least addressed we needed pace.
The first half against Burnley was no better than the unimaginative slow boring football we've endured too often since Koeman. Past few seasons at times the best part of the game for me was a pie at half time. Couldn't even give my ticket away under Silva.
Most disheartening thing for me was seeing the team sheet on the way to the game to check if Schneiderlin and Gana both started together. If there were you knew the next 90 minutes weren't gonna be fun at all.
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16 hours ago, Shukes said:
All o can see is that under Rafa…. So far…. We’ve been playing some good football, and he has been able to change things.
Under Alladyce, we played the worst football I have ever witnessed and became the neutrals bore team of the league.
My choice is made.
What would Benetiz do with that same squad? Just look at what he done with Newcastle. Didn't score more than 2 prem goals in two seasons other than their comeback against us under Silva.
6 hours ago, Matt said:Champions League winner vs gravy tits.
What are the 6? I'm genuinely excited to see.
Most recent are Sigurdsson (doesn't do enough off the ball and slows it too much on it), Silva (completely incompetent), and Keane (simply not good enough and knows it, plays for himself rather than the team).
On the other side Iwobi just needing us to play faster. One which I find hard to believe split the fans, Pickford being a top keeper. DCL being better than Richi and Tosun.
6 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:You are hopelessly wrong about Fat Sam in every conceivable way
You are wrong about Benitez in general but ridiculously wrong about the jobs he did at both the Shite and Newcastle
Wrong about both Pienner & Baines
Wrong about Jagielka
Wrong about Funes Mori
Wrong about Gana
There will be way more than that but can’t be arsed anymore so will leave it there
Just saying wrong is not good enough. What's your reasoning.
How did Benetiz do better at Newcastle than Bruce?
Wrong about Baines??
Pienaar wasn't effective. Just look at his goals and assists. We done no worse without him. Any one could have just sat on the wing and layed the ball off to Baines, if anything they'd do it better as they wouldn't try stupid back heels that never came off. 1 goal in his last three seasons at the club albeit he couldn't get in the team in his final season.
Who's better Doucoure or Gana? Is the midfield better now without him. Was it better with McCarthy and Barry before him?
Jags? Terrible choice of captain and an average defender. A young Holgate and a leggy Williams rightly kept him out the team. The player I wanted instead of him was Johnny Evans. Pretty sure you laughed at that too.
Mori. He done well for us.
Bare in mind I said three years, you've gone back how long?
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36 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:
Pete “ Some of us are more forward thinking than others”
Also Pete “ Benitez is no better than Allardyce”
You come out with some whoppers Pete but this really is comedy gold , does it not occur to you that such a forwarding thinking visionary holding such a dinosaur as Allardyce in such high regard is just a little contradictory ?
I've named six things I've had to argue in the last three years. Care to let me know 6 I've been wrong about?
How is Alladyce any more of a dinosaur to Rafa?
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2 hours ago, Matt said:
I did not brag. I pointed out that he had some, vs a corrupt narcissist who's done fuck all.
Maybe troll is too generous.
You used trophies won with teams built by other people. Compare what they've both done in the league. Alladyce is more impressive, getting the likes of Bolton into Europe compared to Benetiz who has never overachieved at a club.
You said similar when I moaned about Silva.
2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:Sorry Pete but you don’t half talk some bollocks at times. I seriously doubt you would find a single Newcastle fan that would agree with you about Steve Bruce. The Geordies were all dreaming of Rafa coming back if the take over ever happened
Likewise I sincerely doubt you would find any Kopites that agree with you
He was universally loved by both sets of fans but somehow you think you know better
Sometimes I honestly wonder whether you actually believe any of the crap you spout or whether you are just posting it for effect because you want to appear controversial
So Geordies and kopites are your fountain of knowledge. Brilliant.
They loved that he won a cup and called us a small club. If he was so great he'd still be there. They've only recovered from the mess he left recently. He's the reason they stopped getting champions League every season.
Controversial until proven true. Some of us are just more forward thinking than others. Or better yet form our own opinions.
1 hour ago, Wiggytop said:Good job your not letting your opinion get in the way of reality.
Anyone remember the Watford home game under gravy tits, JJK was the first to have an attempt on goal on about 43 mins, oh how I wish we were still seeing that, rather than how we are this season, pace, shots on goal, and goals.
What else could you do with the squad he had, there's a reason Koeman got sacked. Look at Alladyce with west Brom playing good football and beating Chelsea 5-2 away. You can only work with what you've got. Alladyce albeit a percentage football manager adapts, he got Anelka and Okocha to Bolton. Players too good for that type of football and adapted away from percentage to use/trust in their natural ability. Whereas we've got a percentage puritan who has turned the fans on one of the most naturally gifted players of my lifetime.
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46 minutes ago, Matt said:
Are you for real? Or are you just a God tier troll?
You bragged about Benetiz's trophies. Yet his main accomplishment since 2005 is bringing Newcastle up. Steve Bruce has done a better job there.
He left Liverpool with a much worse side than he started with to.
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36 minutes ago, London Blue said:
Benetiz was arguably more contentious than Allardyce. But Rafa won the fans over with his hard work, vision for the team and ability. Not to mention his efforts to break down any barriers.
Allardyce never took the time or effort to win over fans, never had a vision for the team that he shared with the fans.
Basically Allardyce was just a knob who expected everyone to fall at his feet.
Has he won fans over? He's won the happy to be mid table, were poor so can't expect any better, I wish David Moyes come back ones maybe.
Is Rafa any less of a knob?
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6 minutes ago, Matt said:
13 titles and common sense says otherwise.
Fans giving an ex-kopite manager more of a chance than that scumbag speaks volumes really
He won the championship at Newcastle compared to Alladyce not getting them relegated. Top manager...
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1 minute ago, Matt said:
The Slob wouldn't have done it Pete, so there would be nothing to credit.
Because he's never come back from one goal down? Benetiz is no better than Alladyce. Only difference is the fans never gave Alladyce a chance.
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6 hours ago, Matt said:
Fucking hell, Pete. Pretty much every manager in the world gives 10-15 mins after the restart to see if the team talk worked. It didn't, we conceded, he changed things pretty much immediately, we scored 3 in 5 mins (bar the obvious offside). He saw his talk hadn't work and was a little slow in changing that's your complaint?
At least he changed. The corrupt fucker you idolise as manager wouldn't have done a thing and just bemoaned the result.
No team talk in the world would have made a difference. The tactics were killing us.
If Alladyce done that no way would you credit him. The players bounced back after going 1 down and then steamrolled them.
6 hours ago, Hafnia said:You would think that we have an elite squad of players who no matter what formation or tactics you use - they will get the result.
Couldn't be more wrong.
Last season we lose that game. Benitez studies the game intently, and I mean intently. He is in a zone, passionate but totally immersed in what is going on. You can see with the players - they are being coached, clear instructions, fitness.
Got ourselves a manager here.
No I wouldn't. You're doing that thing we you make half the argument up again. Telling me I'm wrong about something you've just made up.
Burnley play that way every week. He would have known what they were going to do. If he was this tactical genius we'd not be getting bummed by Burnley for an hour, and not wait until 1 down to change things. The result was in spite of him.
3 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:Personally if Pete has it in for someone or doesn’t rate them I take it as a good sign that the said person is doing well!
Most recent are Sigurdsson (doesn't do enough off the ball and slows it too much on it), Silva (completely incompetent), and Keane (simply not good enough and knows it, plays for himself rather than the team).
On the other side Iwobi just needing us to play faster. One which I find hard to believe split the fans, Pickford being a top keeper. DCL being better than Richi and Tosun.
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He's changed his tune. Chelsea? Thought he blagged trying to go to Newcastle to force man u to come in for him.
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1 hour ago, dunlopp9987 said:
No, I didn't enjoy the first half. But Rafa realized his mistake, made some tactical changes at the half (Townsend said as much in his post-game interview), made a sub to bring on Gomes, and the rest is history.
I'm sorry, but how are there people who are going to bitch and whine about someone realizing they've made a mistake, rectifying said mistake, and then succeeding.
I don't use this phrase often, and I hope I don't offend anyone, but Pete....
You're just a Grumpy Gus.
What changed between half time and their goal?
People said the same when I moaned about Silva. And the football today was very similar to that. The players had no idea how to get out of their own half, Burnley completely dominated us for an hour.
Am I happy with three points, yes. Am I happy to watch Everton play like that every week, hell no.
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I'd happily leave it if the people discussing talked football rather than a popularity contest.