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Possibly the same regard as someone who threw 11 years back in your face as if it never counted for anything, have I missed something? Was he working for free? Were we meant to finish much lower than we did (based on salary he delivered exactly as projected). I'm pretty sure divorces don't work on the basis of "I know hubbies left me for a younger model and is trying to get custody of the kids,,, but hey the first few years of marriage were lovely, I think I'll be nice to him" He's made his bed, he can lie in it.

He's a squad player, can fill a gap and he's an honest pro. Lets not worry about him being a first choice regular he's like park, kuyt, etc.

I think you mean Moyes decided to cloud what he did for us - we didn't decide that he accept a job in January, run his contract down, go after our prized assets on the cheap and then insult us in the media. Shine the light, the man is being seen for what he is, a good to average middle club manager who sandbagged his way to a far better reputation than he deserved. He has very little regard for us so why should we for him?

I thought jelavic deserved a slap for his penalty, he hasn't been able to buy a goal and tries to take the Piss when knowing we were comfortable. I think the keeper would have more or less stated such. Was really pleased for him up to that point.

It takes ling enough for young midfielders from the Italian league to acclimatise to the pace of our game, I'm actually trying to think of one such midfielder who has, aquilani, veron, the guy from Roma who's At spurs. Not many do so.

Much love and strength to you Mike. You have real friends on here even if we do so in cyber land, but you are very much a real person and a good egg. Hope you kick it's arse. Anything you need and we are here as best we can to support you.

Mcaleny would be our next contender but for his leg break.

Great player, but at 33 is it to late in the day to transition into premier league?

Get it wrapped up and put heitinga on for McCarthy or Barry, try and give Vellios some game time etc.

Ok dunc, based on this comment being repeated... you may just need to explain it.... its gotta be good. ah now I see, yeah his press conference. TBH I see no problem with that side, Robles and Jelavic being included isn't going to be a "weakened" team. Should have enough!

I think Martinez will almost certainly have a striker lined up... Just interesting to see who.

Number of jobs in x amount of years doesnt necessarily indicate loyalty though, it indicates progress when starting at small clubs. I certainly think that by rejecting Liverpool and Villa he has a clear objective as to what model he wants to work with. Based on the same criteria I had no problem with Moyes going to united...I had a problem with how he did it and his disregard And disrespectful attitude when he did leave. Interesting article... http://app.tribalfootball.com/android.html?referrer=http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/man-utd-see-220m-wiped-share-value-under-moyes-4000142#article/tribalfootball-4000142

Fair point. I'll get a tenner sent.

Normally for most posters that is the case Dunc, however given that you have been keen to defend DM through thick and thin despite his shitty antics I pretty much knew there would be an undertone in there. I've said before, Everton is what I support, not a player, manager, or chairman. As a professional you set goals to achieve, and with due respect to Wigan and Swansea he achieved all he could and that was to revamp the footballing culture - the fa cup win, promotion or relegation were irrelevant... He put the wheels in motion and took small clubs to their max. If he takes Everton to our max then that means truly great things for our club. Would I begrudge him the next step up? No.

Kone had a release clause of £6m, we didn't faff about and try to buy Kone plus McCarthy for £12m... nor did we start telling the press that Wigan are holding their careers back by not selling them to us... Whelan is a businessman - he was the only person talking about the McCarthy bid... he was using sky and BBC as a means of exposing Everton's interest to seek any other suitors in a bidding war - stating the £10.5m bid wasn't enough, however £13m was.... Football is a business and as far as business goes Martinez was a loyal manager to Wigan when he risked his managerial reputation by staying on managing a club which would eventually be relegated rather than getting a nice 5 year deal on £70k a week at Villa or Liverpool - why would he do that? Because of his football beliefs and desire to see a job through. He took Swansea and Wigan as far as they could be taken - sure he could have tried to get wigan back up or do the last act for swansea and get the play off or championship promo that was inevitable after his work within the infrastructure of the club. The reality is that for Martinez his next chapter IMO is to reinstall a sleeping giant, once he does that why should he go to a United or Chelsea? You don't create a weapon to be used on yourself! The next step would be an international or Barca/Real manager.

I was gutted when he was looking odds on for Liverpool, he was on the flight back from Barbados and I just wanted to go up and tell him "do not manage Liverpool" like Steve says you cantvdeny that managing Liverpool is a huge job. My honest opinion... If Martinez was at Liverpool, they would be winning the league this season. Give us Suarez and we would go very close indeed.

Until they sort out this double punishment nonsense an outfield player will sooner have a goalie sent off and get a penalty opposed to just having a goal. I seen Oscars the other night and it was horrible cheating at it's worst.

Loyalty may well be defined as choosing to stay with a smaller club and rejecting the advances of two big clubs who would quadruple his wages. Then after delivering an fa cup and falling for the inevitable relegation with Wigan opting for a club who proved would give him the opportunity and time to instill his brand of football. In other words the right project for him. Loyalty and respect go hand in hand, respect isn't insulting your former employers to gain favour with your new ones. Example... Martinez encouraged the correct approach for alcaraz, McCarthy,and kone... Moyes disregarded his previous employers to try and steal prized assets and insult them into the bargain.

He's got ability, no question about that, his dribbling is excellent and it just remains to be seen how and if he applies that to a team who have great togetherness. Martinez is a massive fan of players who take defenders on. Queue visit to the FM 2014 database to look at stats.

He is part of a project now that carries more weight than it would by going to a club like one of the top 4, real or barca and delivering the expected league titles. Everton as we are now represents the sweet spot of ambition versus impact potential... He knows he can turn us from plucky under achievers into an awoken giant. He sees players coming through and knows we are a few more acquisitions away from a real title potential team. If he achieves champions league, the money generated should pave the way for very interesting times for the club.

What was being said???

Lets get this straight now, no pundit has any right to state who a player should be playing for or whether their team is good enough to house them, especially when they are playing good football and challenging the sky 4.

Good write up, just hope he will stay and turn us into a major force again.

Happy new year folks. X

I've often read Moyes behavior towards the young talented upstarts as a means of breaking them a little... He wants them tamed and controlled, and he has the power to make or break them. Watch what he does with Januzai at the moment, it's patronising and pathetic. He calls them "boys", he feels the need to control their decisions not nurture them. If they don't comply they dont get to play.