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The facts are we've gone backwards since Moyes left. Martinez was a massive disappointment after a fabulous first season, Koeman an absolute disaster after a strong second half to his first season. We really need to hope that pattern doesn't continue, otherwise we're facing the start of another cycle, another three, four years away from where we want to be. Top 6/Europe this season could have been another false dawn. Silva has seen the size of the job in hand, he's faced the backlash from the fans when we play shite, he's stuck to his principles and made another pretty bleak season end with some promise. There is serious work to do with the squad as we have nowhere near enough depth in quality, but with the best youth system in the country at present and a DoF who has shown already he can be pretty shrewd about how he deals for top talent, I'm confident Silva will have us make a real tilt at the top 6 next season. 

The commentary just said only City have beaten us home and away this season. I’ll take that sort of progress over the drivel and numerous wallopings we took under that dinosaur. 

From the BBC feed...my answer would be yes on all counts.

We’re going to finish with more points than we had last season and more goals scored. And I actually enjoyed watching us play for most of this season whereas if that dick head had been in charge I’d have not gone to a single game. 

For me this season has delivered exactly what it promised. 
A season of transition whereby we’d have a rough patch or two and also get some brilliant results. Our football would improve but there’d be teething problems and we’d struggle implementing some of our plans. 
This was a season of learning - finding out which players would work in what Marco (and Marcel) wants this team to be, finding out what problems we need to fix to make it all work.
I’m pleased with the season when taken as a whole and can see the progression. I hope for a bigger progression next season though and I’m excited to see what we’ll do this summer. 

We may have been told we're not having Zouma. Planning for next season already. 

We may have been told we're not having Zouma. Planning for next season already. 

Name one manager who we could realistically expect to attract who would have had us challenging top 6 this season? Our squad is threadbare, we have nearly a full team out on loan because most of them aren't good enough, the players who have come in have ended up doing great but it is not enough to fix the shit show that was last season. 
Aside from that, you are an absolute hypocrite for blaming the manager for every poor result but refusing to give him any credit when we win. 

Name one manager who we could realistically expect to attract who would have had us challenging top 6 this season? Our squad is threadbare, we have nearly a full team out on loan because most of them aren't good enough, the players who have come in have ended up doing great but it is not enough to fix the shit show that was last season. 
Aside from that, you are an absolute hypocrite for blaming the manager for every poor result but refusing to give him any credit when we win. 

Yes of course I did you absolute numpty any team that comes back from 2-0 down to win deserves loads of credit. Just as we deserved credit for riding our luck first half v Chelsea, putting a dreadful first half behind us and taking our chance to win the game. Just as we deserved credit for out playing Arsenal, a team we have an appalling record against. Just as we deserve credit for putting a poor Man Utd, another team we have an awful record against, to the sword. 
From your logic, teams don't win football matches, opponents lose them. Which is fine when you're desperately pushing an agenda you nailed your colours to 6 months ago and for bizarre psychological reasons known only to you now feel obliged to keep banging on about at every available opportunity. But to everyone else it's really fucking boring. We get it, you don't like Silva. But some of us actually want to enjoy watching the our club play some decent football and win a few games. 

I find it very hard to take you seriously as a supposed fan of this club when you cannot find it in you to give any credit you OUR manager and OUR players for a run that included drawing with the best Liverpool side in 30 years and beating Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd at home. 

If we can beat Spurs it would have been a better than normal season of late against the top six, try and cut out the silly losses against the lower teams next season and who knows how far up the table we can climb. 

This thread is such a joke now, we have one of the best midfielders in the country at doing what he does and yet rather than appreciate what we’ve got Pinky and Perky are constantly trying to pick holes in his game  
Its not his job to score goals or to be a creative force, that what the likes of Gylfi, Bernard and Richarlison are in the side for
Gana is absolutely crucial to the pressing game that Silva wants to deploy, he is higher up the pitch because Silva wants us to press higher up the pitch , it doesn’t mean he should suddenly have the goals and assists stats of a number 10
Gana’s form has been nothing short of fantastic lately but Pinky and Perky are in such a constant state of denial that even if he was top scorer for us next season and had 29 assists they would be saying he was still shit because he hasn’t saved any penalties 

You don't back the team. You criticise because you think you know best, including more than a professional manager. 
Wank over the results? Then what were you doing over Allardyce then, because it certainly wasn't over the football. 
You selectively pick individual incidents in games where certain players, in your opinion, could have done better to justify a completely over the top agenda you have against them. All this crap you spout about what Gana should have done - what level football did you play? How many times did you play the perfect game? What player ever has, for that matter? There are incidents in EVERY game where EVERY player could have played a better pass, made a cleverer run, read the game better. Everything you post is completely unbalanced - nit pick over small little moments, never any praise for the many good things players like Gana do, no sense of the bigger picture. 
You're a precious little flower aren't you. Get your hackles up over being called a clown? Aww diddums. Stop ripping into the team you claim to support when we're winning then, it makes you sound ridiculous. 
Oh, and as for pulling the only the best card out - are you really telling me you think Allardyce was the best this club could and should expect? Jog on pal. 

You don't back the team. You criticise because you think you know best, including more than a professional manager. 
Wank over the results? Then what were you doing over Allardyce then, because it certainly wasn't over the football. 
You selectively pick individual incidents in games where certain players, in your opinion, could have done better to justify a completely over the top agenda you have against them. All this crap you spout about what Gana should have done - what level football did you play? How many times did you play the perfect game? What player ever has, for that matter? There are incidents in EVERY game where EVERY player could have played a better pass, made a cleverer run, read the game better. Everything you post is completely unbalanced - nit pick over small little moments, never any praise for the many good things players like Gana do, no sense of the bigger picture. 
You're a precious little flower aren't you. Get your hackles up over being called a clown? Aww diddums. Stop ripping into the team you claim to support when we're winning then, it makes you sound ridiculous. 
Oh, and as for pulling the only the best card out - are you really telling me you think Allardyce was the best this club could and should expect? Jog on pal. 

You're a clown mate Gana was excellent doing exactly the side of the game you criticise him for, driving forward with the ball and with his passing. And I'm not Keane biggest fan but he did nothing wrong tonight. Get behind your team ffs. 

You're a clown mate Gana was excellent doing exactly the side of the game you criticise him for, driving forward with the ball and with his passing. And I'm not Keane biggest fan but he did nothing wrong tonight. Get behind your team ffs. 

Pete you're just wrong mate. Richarlison was garbage for a couple of months, Zouma looked a walking mistake at first, Gomes started doing a very good Schneiderlin impression after a promising start then picked up again. Your point about would I swap them from anyone last season is irrelevant because I'm not arguing they arent improvements, I'm making a very simple point that new players, new teams and new managers take time to get to their best. I've made that point in the past on another thread and you just carried on with the same 'we should be better than we are' line. Fine, think that. But the reasons you give dont stack up. 

You must be the only person on here who expects new signings to make an immediate impact, or not to see that changing half the starting XI in one go might require some kind of transition period. You've made the same tired point about new players over and over - half of them arrived unfit, all of them bar Digne have been up and down in form. Again, perfectly normal for new players in a new team under a new manager. 
As for your Allardyce argument - he'd have never played the football we played to beat Manure 4 nil, he'd have set up to get a draw against them, Arsenal and Chelsea. We were awful to watch under him, in my opinion he does not have it in him to play the football that would move any team closer to the top four. His Bolton glory days were on the back of paying off agents to get a better quality of player than he'd ever normally have been able to attract. Funny how he never did the same elsewhere. 
I look forward to you telling us how shit the oppo are as we make a serious tilt at the top 6 next season

Pete you're just wrong mate. Richarlison was garbage for a couple of months, Zouma looked a walking mistake at first, Gomes started doing a very good Schneiderlin impression after a promising start then picked up again. Your point about would I swap them from anyone last season is irrelevant because I'm not arguing they arent improvements, I'm making a very simple point that new players, new teams and new managers take time to get to their best. I've made that point in the past on another thread and you just carried on with the same 'we should be better than we are' line. Fine, think that. But the reasons you give dont stack up. 

Pete you're just wrong mate. Richarlison was garbage for a couple of months, Zouma looked a walking mistake at first, Gomes started doing a very good Schneiderlin impression after a promising start then picked up again. Your point about would I swap them from anyone last season is irrelevant because I'm not arguing they arent improvements, I'm making a very simple point that new players, new teams and new managers take time to get to their best. I've made that point in the past on another thread and you just carried on with the same 'we should be better than we are' line. Fine, think that. But the reasons you give dont stack up. 

Keane - Fundamental in a defence which has the 4th best clean sheet record in the league, 7th most headed clearences.
Gana - Second in the league for most tackles (by 1)
Gylfi - Our joint highest goal scorer, most assists for the club. 

Pete you're just wrong mate. Richarlison was garbage for a couple of months, Zouma looked a walking mistake at first, Gomes started doing a very good Schneiderlin impression after a promising start then picked up again. Your point about would I swap them from anyone last season is irrelevant because I'm not arguing they arent improvements, I'm making a very simple point that new players, new teams and new managers take time to get to their best. I've made that point in the past on another thread and you just carried on with the same 'we should be better than we are' line. Fine, think that. But the reasons you give dont stack up. 

You must be the only person on here who expects new signings to make an immediate impact, or not to see that changing half the starting XI in one go might require some kind of transition period. You've made the same tired point about new players over and over - half of them arrived unfit, all of them bar Digne have been up and down in form. Again, perfectly normal for new players in a new team under a new manager. 
As for your Allardyce argument - he'd have never played the football we played to beat Manure 4 nil, he'd have set up to get a draw against them, Arsenal and Chelsea. We were awful to watch under him, in my opinion he does not have it in him to play the football that would move any team closer to the top four. His Bolton glory days were on the back of paying off agents to get a better quality of player than he'd ever normally have been able to attract. Funny how he never did the same elsewhere. 
I look forward to you telling us how shit the oppo are as we make a serious tilt at the top 6 next season

You must be the only person on here who expects new signings to make an immediate impact, or not to see that changing half the starting XI in one go might require some kind of transition period. You've made the same tired point about new players over and over - half of them arrived unfit, all of them bar Digne have been up and down in form. Again, perfectly normal for new players in a new team under a new manager. 
As for your Allardyce argument - he'd have never played the football we played to beat Manure 4 nil, he'd have set up to get a draw against them, Arsenal and Chelsea. We were awful to watch under him, in my opinion he does not have it in him to play the football that would move any team closer to the top four. His Bolton glory days were on the back of paying off agents to get a better quality of player than he'd ever normally have been able to attract. Funny how he never did the same elsewhere. 
I look forward to you telling us how shit the oppo are as we make a serious tilt at the top 6 next season