holystove

Do you think Remain would win in a second referendum?

but why? it is official government policy to leave the EU and both main parties are committed to leaving. The only way I can see Brexit not hapenning is in case of a new GE (not unlikely given realities of phase 2 of negotiation) and Labour coming out for remain (highly unlikely given how anti-EU (ie capitalism) Corbyn is).

You're not alone. Seems like very few have changed their mind. Then why would you say Brexit won't happen? "Was Britain right or wrong to vote to leave EU"? Right 44% Wrong 45% Don't know 11% -- YouGov Dec 10-11 "Who want to abandon Brexit completely: nationally: 15% middle/upper class: 19% 18-24 yr olds: 21% London: 21% Labour: 24% Remainers: 29% Lib Dems: 37% -- YouGov, Dec 10-11

Was there talk of other options instead of Tory-LibDem coalition in 2010?

And DUP has now blown up the deal. 10 flat earthers are deciding the future of the UK and Europe.

They play each other last so presumably both on 6 points and both going to next round.

https://advisa.se/en/research/brexit-bus/

Snow without freezing temperatures, slippery roads, traffic james and a two hour drive to go 15 kilometres.. ffs

To be fair, had the UK voted to Remain, the same amount of money would have to be paid into the EU budget. So it's not really true that it could have been spent on the NHS. Ofcourse, now the money is being paid without the economic benefits of being part of the largest single market in the world..

I'm on Toffeetalk daily to keep up with everything Everton, but can't help myself and always feel drawn to this thread .. I guess it's like hafnia with Lukaku. I wouldn't have replied if I didn't think it might help clarify something, or to put a different perspective on it though. I seriously doubt the UK won't leave. Even if the UK government changed its mind (which I don't really see happening), I don't think all the other member states would welcome the UK back (all of them have a veto). Also, it would be poisonous for the EU to keep a country on board whose population is pretty much split down the middle on whether or not they want to be in it. I can only imagine more UKIPrs coming to Brussels .

Being a member of the EU in no way restricts the UK to trade with everyone, it just extremely facilitates trade within the EU. It also massivily helps the UK to trade outside of the EU. There are only 6 countries (not important ones, Mauritania, North Korea, etc.) on the entire planet the EU has zero agreements with, because of Brexit that number will increase to 195 for the UK. Sure, the UK will negotiate new agreements, but it will do so with a lot less leverage than it has now as a member of the EU. No matter what the future relationship between the EU and the UK (at worst WTO), the UK will always trade primarily with the EU because of geography. Brexit can't be pro trade, but in theory it can be pro immigration. However I don't really think choosing that route would be a right interpretation of the Brexit vote. The very moment the UK enters into negotations with any other entity in the world, it will have to compromise. Only North Korea does everything on its own terms. The EU is not about continentals telling the UK what to do .. ? Thanks to the (former) standing of the UK and its (former) soft power to influence and shape decisions taken at EU-level, a lot of people on the continent have had the feeling for decades it has been the other way around.

If you have to play Galatasaray, Fenerbace or any other Turkish team in the Europa or Champions League, you can expect the same treatment. Used to be true for Olympiakos and Panathinaikos as well.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/11/13/detroit-cops-posing-as-drug-dealers-braw/amp

16 games unbeaten, but barely anyone of note. Player for player, Belgium has more talent than Germany but I would never bet on Germany losing to Belgium. They need a top manager, a better system. Golden generation being wasted.

Only seen the highlights but seems Italy were robbed by the ref. I thought Italy were very impressive in the EC 2016, shame they won't be in Russia.

The set up is defensive (5 at the back), but the players used are all focused on attacking (Carrasco as left back for example). So in reality it's just three at the back and 7 players constantly rushing forward. It's why they score a lot of goals, but also concede too many. That is De Bruyne's criticism. The system Martinez plays, doesn't match the players he selects to play.

It was Hazard who had the tap-in, but it was indeed a good move by Rom. On De Bruyne: he's fed up with Roberto Martinez who he accuses of poor tactics ..

Scored twice against Mexico, becoming all time leading scorer for the national football team.

Indictment Day!

To be clear I don't think the article has any special new insights and I'm sure it won't convince anyone who wants to brexit, I only posted that paragraph (which the political editor of FT has confirmed is the actual truth, not satire) because I think it confirms that Johnson has already gone off the deep end.

https://amp.ft.com/content/5898bde4-b992-11e7-9bfb-4a9c83ffa852

This is how all EU myths get started

I don't think anyone is questioning the fact the UK is leaving, Rubes. The negotiations are about how the UK leaves (yes/no withdrawal agreement, and subsequently yes/no trade deal), and they are currently deadlocked.

I'm sure they don't. But every neutral that watches Greece vs X, is most likely going to be supporting X because of Greece style of play.

Greece? Horrible team to watch, extremely defensive.