Bailey

I dunno, I would say he let us down quite a lot! I hope he goes to a decent club though, think he will do well in the Championship level or in Scotland maybe.

I definitely think he had issues with his overall game prior to his injury but what happened completely took the edge off him, especially physically and mentally.

His composure and decision making have shone a light on what we have been missing in midfield for a long time. Im struggling to think of someone with his mental attributes since McCarthy and Barry. He has good technique too and whilst he isnt anything special physically those other attributes will make up for it. I dont think he is the type of player that will suddenly jump forward in respect of his improvement but year after year he will become more polished and more complete.

They were. Sources (Guardian -Andy Hunter) suggested the emails had been tampered with.

Of course having the resources doesnt mean that you cant get depressed, but it does give you a head start over those that dont. Whilst I completely agree depression hits everyone the same, I disagree that having the resource (and therefore opportunity) to have better help doesnt give him more chance than the common man. I agree that it can sneak up on you but I disagree that change from within doesnt exist. If it didnt exist, noone would get better. No-one can ever force you to change when you are in that mindset, in my opinion at least. Similar to addiction in some ways. That doesnt mean that people dont realise it until its too late though as sadly that is all too common. I imagine thar the number of men (in particular) that suffer from symptoms of depression is probably scarily high.

That want to change has to come from within. You wanted to and that is why you kept searching. Alli can go and see all the therapists under the sun but if he isnt listening it wont help him. I am sure he has had more than his share of medical and non-medical words of wisdom from a variety of different sources. Whatever is going on with him, and we don't know if anything genuinely is, then he has the support and resources he needs. There are plenty of people out there who don't, who can't afford private help, have been failed by the NHS services and/or have no family/friend network to fall back on and have to keep going and going until they break.

Its no wonder Kenwright hasnt got any money to invest in the club with all these journalists on the payroll!

Problem is we dont have the finances to try and do that against other PL teams and its deals like Onana that if they dont come off, end up costing us big on FFP. Even after a very average season, it looks like we will be able to move him on for a decent fee so it has worked out this time but its failed plenty of times in the past!

The reports were that Onana turned down West Ham for us as we offered him more money. We have paid him a fortune too, far more than his talent deserves at the moment. I think we dodged a lot of bullets this January. We could never afford Gibbs-White. Ings would have been a risk for us and on big wages, for all that he is a good player when fit. Danjuma ditched us for Spurs which is understandable. Players have agents and mobile phones. Letting him leave the building isnt the reason he jumped ship.

When I saw him for Southampton last season he was shocking. I don't really see anything that is particularly good about him and his career is going backwards quickly which is never a good sign.

I would be astonished if Alli hasn't seen a counsellor before now. As with anything though, its all about how much he wants to change and improve.

I imagine Mr Moshiri has a lot to do with the delay!

I must admit I do find him very frustrating but thats because he is clearly very talented. Unfortunately though his career has shown him to be unable to deliver anywhere near what he should do. With Maupay, I just think it is more to do with him being in the wrong team than being as crap as people suggest. Not that I think he is a particularly good player either! I think football fans have a habit of going to extremes on players, whereas the truth lies somewhere in the middle. As much as Maupay isn't the worst forward to grace Goodison, Gray also isn't as much of a threat as people have been suggesting.

I would be a little surprised if he did. I think another loan to the Championship would be more likely.

He definitely isnt creative but attacking players come in different ways. We had Fellaini and Cahill as a strike partnership for a couple of years and they were extremely limited in creativity and technique. I think he can see and read how the attacks develop even if he can't actually make it happen. I do agree he is a high press player as well.

I disagree about Doucoure. He isnt your usual attacking player and he generally has the technique of a drunk giraffe but the lad knows how to pop up in the final third and get on the end of things. He did it for Watford, did it for us under Benitez and again for Dyche.

By all means, if that is what you are into

Garner is the closest of those players of being able to be a creative attacking player. I think he can do a lot because he is a clever footballer and he reads the game well. Onana could be used as a direct, powerful attacker but its not his best attribute. He can play a decent through ball, but he isn't a goal scorer at all. Doucoure is similar to Onana but he has more of an eye for goal and finding that space or making that run. His attacking ability comes from his dynamism and timing. Gana is never an attacking player. Ever. Chain him to the half way line.

Sorrryyy!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65917204

You may say that but all of those teams will be looking at us as a game to pick up 3 points!

No we don't but there tends to be no smoke without fire these days, especially with agents how they are. Maybe there weren't any but its not hard to understand his value was higher after the 6 months of so with Benitez than it is now. He can take on a player, he also very regularly loses the ball when he tries. He can score a goal, but evidence shows its not very many! He can turn a game but he also pisses so many chances up the wall. He wastes far more than he scores. You may wish to read the posts a bit more Formby. Not once have I questioned Gray's value per money spent nor lauded Maupay's.

I thought the 48 hours bit was a bit of a wind up anyway!

Thats the point. Im not saying sell at any cost, I am saying if someone offers us good money, we should take it. Again, I agree. Last summer there were reports of teams looking at paying decent money. That figure is going down and down now. You say his quality but what is that? What does he actually bring apart from a lot of promise and nothing to show for it bar the odd screamer. I gave you two examples from last summer who did as much as Gray in one season as he has done in two. One of them did come to this shit show as well

Not sure he is worth £5 based on what he looked like for us but hopefully someone can look past that!