Newty82

Considering we already had that money...I would say we are 30odd mill down!!!

It is indeed crazy...off the wall...hang on, we can always recall Junior...

What happens to all the fellaini money you mean??? Money was already there for McCarthy.

This is Everton mate. our likes would either fail the medical, or be unable to get a work permit, thus cancelling out any transfer of "likes".

....or they'd choose to go to another forum!!! Mmmmwahaha!!!

Ive still got likes...can we transfer likes??? At least then something will be getting transfered!!!

Yeah....but we wont have all the fellaini money upfront.

Stay calm fellow toffees...theres time yet...still an hour...

Kettle goin on again...

Its shit luck boys...but c'mon...wait until 11pm before the dramatics start...

It looks like its goin tits up just now...but wait...

Starting to worry now...McCarthy off??? Anichebe at WBA...and Lukaku choosing WBA???

Oh no...Im getting nervous now! Scared...worried...

Pass the dutch again...

Bloody hell!!!

Whelan is bein hard faced...still got it in him even at 106 year old.

This will happen I reckon.

This is freakin crazy. Pass the dutch...

Would prefer it to be lukaku!

Doc...get sky sports news on!!!

6m would be an immense fee!!!

 

If I was on the Everton negotiating team, I would be livid - absolutely livid. No customer or supplier ever treats me this way - publicly cajoling me, leaving it until the very last minute so I'm screwed, etc. It would be a definite "no deal" and "never again". Negotiation is all about finding win-win scenarios, not deliberately making life impossible for the other party. Frankly, I would walk away from any deal right now - especially given how Moyes added the release clause to prevent just this scenario.

Problem is you dont wanna be left with a sulk arse player!!!

SSN say he left at speed!!!

Im up for him going. Hope he does well at WBA, think he will. But clearly not in RM's plans.

 

Don't see why. They just signed Eto'o. Leaves them with Torres, Eto'o, Lukaku, and Demba Ba. Demba Ba reportedly will only go on loan to a CL team, which limits options. Lukaku becomes the most expendable one. We're selling Anichebe supposedly and are desperate for a striker with any sort of ability. Seems like a pretty logical move to me on both sides.

Fair enough. But Jose wouldnt let him go last month because he had him in his plans.

Really hope we get him...just what we need!!!

I find it hard to believe this one....

But I would love it!!!!

Top stuff there Steve_E....I havent read it all but I will.

As I have said, I aint into all the stats...only just looked thid weekend. And, this is important for people to remember, the only reason I did dive into some stats was that there has been a clear misconception amongsta growing number of fans about how we have been playing...and a couple of lazy pundits too. And not just on this forum, but on things like facebook.

All I am trying to show is that we have done a hell of a lot of things right. I aint no stat expert!!!

Excellent again!

 

Where do you find your stats? Shot accuracy dipped this weekend, and it would be interesting to know who is the guilty culprit.

Cheers buddy.

A good site I've come across actually shows that Barkley has taken most shots on average per game for us...4.3 shots per game. Which is really surprising as we are all singing his praises yet lambasting Jelavic, Kone and Mirallas for wasting chances...as I have said, all is not as it seems due to our own prejudice. However, its likely he is hitting them more from a distance, whereas Jelly maybe missing chances we view as 'being on a plate'.

I have an app on my phone...'Football App'...every league, player, club in the world.

There is also a great website...whoscored.com...brilliant stats on all sorts in world football.

Gotta be honest, until this weekend I hadnt been bothered, but it really irks me that people say things without substance...not just in football, but in general...its just lazy and an easy get out to say the same old same.

Some other things to think about now that a load of leagues have kicked off.....

9th in Europe for shots per game,

6th for possession,

12th pass success,

And impressively, we are 1st with least amount of shots against.

Good stuff.

There was also a notion that most of our passes are needless ones across the back line...unfortunately thats not true....

Only 25% of our touches are in the defensive third, 42% are in the middle, and 33% are in the attacking third. I was surprised at that too!

Attack wise? Not enough through the middle? Shots wise, 20% from the right, 22% from the left and 58% through the middle.

While we do pass it around at the back, it seems we spend less time than we think, inc. Me, with it in the defensive 3rd. We are quite nifty at moving the ball forward, into the attacking 3rd. We do use the wings a fair bit, mainly the left (46%)...then work it back into the middle...where we are supposed to finish it off!!!

But I watched closely today the 'top' teams playing...they also work it at the back, move the ball forward, hit the wings, and come back in again.

Also, if you are of the school of thought that we need to play more long balls...we are actually in the bracket with the typical top clubs plus the 'known' passers who all play 80-90% short passes and only around 10% long passes. The rest is made up of crosses, which we have quite a heavy use of. Very few teams in the premiership are now doing less than 80% short passes.

I tried to find a player shot analysis...I found one...but the total shots dont add up to the shots we have had...

Not surprising, Mirallas has been most wasteful...but then closely followed by Barkley...then Jelavic...surprising.

As always, what we perceive to be true, isnt always and is actually influenced by our own prejudice.

Now I must get my life back......!!!!

We've conceded 2 goals in 3 games, the opposition are getting less chances than ever against us. Felli is doing a fine job.

I agree here, he is doing fine. I just think that if he was 100% into it, he'd be doing great. Nothing against him, glad to have had him here, but cant blame him for wanting to go to the next level.

Matt...I also want to have the goals and brill gameplay. That will come. I think we have played this way because of how the opposition had set out, as in WBA and Cardiff, who's managers have pretty much admitted what their intention and/or priority has been.

It will click into place properly once this lunacy that is the transfer window closes and RM knows for sure what he has at his dispossal...at the moment he is putting some good energy into man managing fellaini and baines, keeping them focused etc...which must be tricky with all the rumours.

Once it closes, another new era begins....

Cheers for that Mike, I dont post much to be honest.

Matt...fair point about the goals thing. But remember that, like any competitive sport, its about winning, and definately not losing. Your right that spain didnt look at their best, only 8 goals etc...if I remember right, they played with no striker at times? But they won. The opposition cant do much without the ball. Id rather win this way than do a Wimbledon!!!

And as far as scoring goes, it will come. Kone will get match fit. And fitness does come into it...fitness doesnt just effect how long you can run both distance and time wise, it also affects your mental sharpness...a 1% drop isnt much for the average fan who lives on beer n pies, but for a top level athlete it is a hell of a lot. Jelavic I cant explain...but confidence, or lack of, can be a bad thing in a normal walk of life, god knows what its like when your being scrutinised by thousands of people who know everything about being a pro' footballer....!!!

@ DK....thanks for the grammar thing. To be honest...I write on my phone and/or tablet...its tricky whacking in every ''' so I dont bother, too keen to get my thoughts out see. I also fall into the trap of typing how I speak...so as a true northerner, I dont say 'arent'...I say 'aint'...we dont all speak the Queens language fluently.

Also, it may be seem like a duplicate thread, but it isnt. I read a few threads that seem to go off on a tangent (dont they all?!!) and tried to pull it all together with my own thoughts rather than leaving a little snippet here, little snippet there.

I havent read a thread yet with all the stats...just a load of wayward opinions with no back up.

Avin...I know what you mean. But is Fellaini really 100% interested? Can he really contribute as much with the ball being played to his feet more than his chest? I think he could for sure, if he was 100% interested.

So its no good getting in extra players if losing one estabilished player? Well I guess Spurs are going to find it hard this season

good post Newty. For me the only stats that matter is goals scored and goals conceded.

 

The only way to win games is to score goals. Passing can be a great as anything but ithout goals it is meaningless.

Cheers, and yeah, I get that. And as said, we are struggling with that. But we are creating the chances, some, including pro pundits, are saying the passing is leading to nothing...well it is, clearly it is. But it is frustrating that the players are doing the hard bit, then just cant quite finish it off....at the moment! But it will come.

Dont forget though, we aint conceding either...because the opposition aint getting many chances...thats a good thing too.

Its a balanced view, and we'll all have our own. We can argue with each other...but you cant argue with the numbers.