Newty82

Money in £33.5mil out £13mil.... £20mil gone missing once again!

Ive still got likes...can we transfer likes??? At least then something will be getting transfered!!!

Everton ‏@DeusVeloxNex12s @BenFoster Good to see you've started to support Everton Ben. I'm sure he'll fit right into our team.

BREAKING NEWS...
 
Theres a limit on likes on Toffetalk...this gets more bizzare!!!

I sell likes for 10 pounds each. Please pm.
 
I bet I'll still get more business done than Everton.

This is Everton mate. our likes would either fail the medical, or be unable to get a work permit, thus cancelling out any transfer of "likes".

Ha I liked it!

BREAKING NEWS...
 
Theres a limit on likes on Toffetalk...this gets more bizzare!!!

BREAKING NEWS...
 
Theres a limit on likes on Toffetalk...this gets more bizzare!!!

BREAKING NEWS...
 
Theres a limit on likes on Toffetalk...this gets more bizzare!!!

I want to like this....HELP!!!

I can't like it!

BREAKING NEWS...
 
Theres a limit on likes on Toffetalk...this gets more bizzare!!!

6m would be an immense fee!!!

6m would be an immense fee!!!

If he gets booked for speeding and is held in custody overnight it would sort out that little problem

Just as long as whover plays up front for us next game knows where the fecking net is.

Im up for him going. Hope he does well at WBA, think he will. But clearly not in RM's plans.

....the amount of bollocks being spoken about our first few league games, both by a portion of our 'fans' and both sky and bbc 'experts'.
 
Lets look at some of the kind of quotes we have so far....
'Passing for no reason....'
'Passing too slow...'
'Not penetrating enough...'
'Not creating chances...' etc etc.
 
You get what I mean, and know what I am on about. I dont agree with any of these statements or anything like them. But I thought to myself 'Dave, you have to wear glasses to see your 50inch TV, maybe your short sighted by nature aswell as physically....'. So, I look up the stats for our first 3 league games...and my view has not changed.
 
Now my view of keeping the ball is that 1) the opposition can do naff all without it, 2) its more tiring if you have to chase the ball and 3) with the ball, you control the game. I coach youth football and its bloody hard work drilling this in...as come game day, the call from the sidelines is 'clear it'....'get rid'...blah blah. In this country, we are shit at the game we invented because we cant grasp the idea of good calm patient football. Barcelona keep the ball for fun, Spains national team is made up of mainly Barcelona players, kind of hard to disagree with what they do. Martinez is made from this very same modern way of thinking. A lot of us english fans simply are not. So we have to hoof it if its nil nil after a few minutes.
 
I cant back this up on my own...so the stats....
 
Vs Norwich (a)...67% possession, 20 shots (vs.8), Shot accuracy 35% (vs.25%), 564 passes (vs.258), Pass Acc. 88% (vs.76%)
 
Vs WBA (h)...62% possession, 22 shots (vs.7), Shot accuracy 36% (vs.29%), 478 passes (vs.298), Pass acc. 83% (vs.70%)
 
Vs Cardiff (a)...63% possession, 13 shots (vs.4), shot accuracy 23% (vs.25%), 513 passes (vs.299), Pass acc. 86% (vs.76%)
 
The stats show that the type of football being played is doing its job...that is limiting the oppositions opportunity to use the ball, limiting their chances, and far from what is being said, this style of football is enabling us to create chances. Plenty of them. Our shot accuracy is far from poor. Also, we are passing the ball with great accuracy.
 
The only problem is we cant convert our chances just now, but that is not the fault of our style or any single player...it just aint happening just now. But it will. Its hard to see that when keeping the ball so much, creating so many chances etc it aint eventually going to go our way.
 
It is frustrating to have not won these games, but it is surely pleasing that we are doing almost everything right?!!!
 
The other moan is about Kone. Give the bloke a chance to get match fit, he's finding his fitness after fasting...that would zap the energy and therfore fitness out of any top athlete. The bloke will get us around 15 goals this season. Its totally unfair to label the £6 or so million spent on him as a waste. After a few sub appearances? Behave. So, some say we should have spent the money on someone else, who?
 
Overall, this is good stuff.
 
I am sceptical though...I have to admit...about the amount of staff brought in from wigan and also the number of players we have or are linked to from wigan. We have signed 3...linked with 2 others. That does make me feel a bit nervy.
 
I am a bit dissapointed....that we have spent a minimum amount of money on transfers, especially after all the hoo-haa about new tv money etc. Now Martinez says we dont need to sell financially. This seems to be true and only means the banks arent making silly demands, neither is any loan shark. Great.
 
However, clearly we have to sell if we want to buy. I am confident that we have 4/5 quality players lined up should Baines and Fellaini go, definately. Ideally we'll keep Baines...I dont mind us selling Fellaini, I think he really wants to go, and we'll bring in 3/4 players if that happens. But...its a shame we have to sell to buy.
 
Clearly, what we have is what we have squad wise. Its clear that we need more depth, quality depth I mean. I think more players will get a chance this season, it will be good to see who cuts it. Hopefully all of them, but when does that ever happen?
 
We'll still be up battling a top 6 place, but what happens between now and 11pm Monday will influence that a lot.
 
To finish...I reckon this years derby games will see some of the best pure football played for years between us.

Cheers buddy.
 
A good site I've come across actually shows that Barkley has taken most shots on average per game for us...4.3 shots per game. Which is really surprising as we are all singing his praises yet lambasting Jelavic, Kone and Mirallas for wasting chances...as I have said, all is not as it seems due to our own prejudice. However, its likely he is hitting them more from a distance, whereas Jelly maybe missing chances we view as 'being on a plate'.
 
I have an app on my phone...'Football App'...every league, player, club in the world.
 
There is also a great website...whoscored.com...brilliant stats on all sorts in world football.
 
Gotta be honest, until this weekend I hadnt been bothered, but it really irks me that people say things without substance...not just in football, but in general...its just lazy and an easy get out to say the same old same.
 
Some other things to think about now that a load of leagues have kicked off.....
 
9th in Europe for shots per game,
6th for possession,
12th pass success,
And impressively, we are 1st with least amount of shots against.
 
Good stuff.

There was also a notion that most of our passes are needless ones across the back line...unfortunately thats not true....
 
Only 25% of our touches are in the defensive third, 42% are in the middle, and 33% are in the attacking third. I was surprised at that too!
 
Attack wise? Not enough through the middle? Shots wise, 20% from the right, 22% from the left and 58% through the middle.
 
While we do pass it around at the back, it seems we spend less time than we think, inc. Me, with it in the defensive 3rd. We are quite nifty at moving the ball forward, into the attacking 3rd. We do use the wings a fair bit, mainly the left (46%)...then work it back into the middle...where we are supposed to finish it off!!!
 
But I watched closely today the 'top' teams playing...they also work it at the back, move the ball forward, hit the wings, and come back in again.
 
Also, if you are of the school of thought that we need to play more long balls...we are actually in the bracket with the typical top clubs plus the 'known' passers who all play 80-90% short passes and only around 10% long passes. The rest is made up of crosses, which we have quite a heavy use of. Very few teams in the premiership are now doing less than 80% short passes.
 
I tried to find a player shot analysis...I found one...but the total shots dont add up to the shots we have had...
 
Not surprising, Mirallas has been most wasteful...but then closely followed by Barkley...then Jelavic...surprising.
 
As always, what we perceive to be true, isnt always and is actually influenced by our own prejudice.
 
Now I must get my life back......!!!!

....the amount of bollocks being spoken about our first few league games, both by a portion of our 'fans' and both sky and bbc 'experts'.
 
Lets look at some of the kind of quotes we have so far....
'Passing for no reason....'
'Passing too slow...'
'Not penetrating enough...'
'Not creating chances...' etc etc.
 
You get what I mean, and know what I am on about. I dont agree with any of these statements or anything like them. But I thought to myself 'Dave, you have to wear glasses to see your 50inch TV, maybe your short sighted by nature aswell as physically....'. So, I look up the stats for our first 3 league games...and my view has not changed.
 
Now my view of keeping the ball is that 1) the opposition can do naff all without it, 2) its more tiring if you have to chase the ball and 3) with the ball, you control the game. I coach youth football and its bloody hard work drilling this in...as come game day, the call from the sidelines is 'clear it'....'get rid'...blah blah. In this country, we are shit at the game we invented because we cant grasp the idea of good calm patient football. Barcelona keep the ball for fun, Spains national team is made up of mainly Barcelona players, kind of hard to disagree with what they do. Martinez is made from this very same modern way of thinking. A lot of us english fans simply are not. So we have to hoof it if its nil nil after a few minutes.
 
I cant back this up on my own...so the stats....
 
Vs Norwich (a)...67% possession, 20 shots (vs.8), Shot accuracy 35% (vs.25%), 564 passes (vs.258), Pass Acc. 88% (vs.76%)
 
Vs WBA (h)...62% possession, 22 shots (vs.7), Shot accuracy 36% (vs.29%), 478 passes (vs.298), Pass acc. 83% (vs.70%)
 
Vs Cardiff (a)...63% possession, 13 shots (vs.4), shot accuracy 23% (vs.25%), 513 passes (vs.299), Pass acc. 86% (vs.76%)
 
The stats show that the type of football being played is doing its job...that is limiting the oppositions opportunity to use the ball, limiting their chances, and far from what is being said, this style of football is enabling us to create chances. Plenty of them. Our shot accuracy is far from poor. Also, we are passing the ball with great accuracy.
 
The only problem is we cant convert our chances just now, but that is not the fault of our style or any single player...it just aint happening just now. But it will. Its hard to see that when keeping the ball so much, creating so many chances etc it aint eventually going to go our way.
 
It is frustrating to have not won these games, but it is surely pleasing that we are doing almost everything right?!!!
 
The other moan is about Kone. Give the bloke a chance to get match fit, he's finding his fitness after fasting...that would zap the energy and therfore fitness out of any top athlete. The bloke will get us around 15 goals this season. Its totally unfair to label the £6 or so million spent on him as a waste. After a few sub appearances? Behave. So, some say we should have spent the money on someone else, who?
 
Overall, this is good stuff.
 
I am sceptical though...I have to admit...about the amount of staff brought in from wigan and also the number of players we have or are linked to from wigan. We have signed 3...linked with 2 others. That does make me feel a bit nervy.
 
I am a bit dissapointed....that we have spent a minimum amount of money on transfers, especially after all the hoo-haa about new tv money etc. Now Martinez says we dont need to sell financially. This seems to be true and only means the banks arent making silly demands, neither is any loan shark. Great.
 
However, clearly we have to sell if we want to buy. I am confident that we have 4/5 quality players lined up should Baines and Fellaini go, definately. Ideally we'll keep Baines...I dont mind us selling Fellaini, I think he really wants to go, and we'll bring in 3/4 players if that happens. But...its a shame we have to sell to buy.
 
Clearly, what we have is what we have squad wise. Its clear that we need more depth, quality depth I mean. I think more players will get a chance this season, it will be good to see who cuts it. Hopefully all of them, but when does that ever happen?
 
We'll still be up battling a top 6 place, but what happens between now and 11pm Monday will influence that a lot.
 
To finish...I reckon this years derby games will see some of the best pure football played for years between us.

You can argue with the spelling however (ain't - aren't) and other grammatical deficiencies in the above post though. Guess I'll have to do one of those childish animation things to show no malice intended and a harmless observation :shaking fist: , but with that out of the way, however anyone wants to view it, the chances have been there, but unable to have been converted. We're not playing particularly poorly, it is only three games into the season, and it feels sometimes some have Martinez down as a failure at this stage of the season.
 
This appears as a dupicate thread to what has been discussed before, but that feels a bit unfair to the author who took the time and trouble to put this article together. Appreciate what you have presented here, but it just feels like familair territory to what we have seen already.
 
This club will be all right. No relegation concerns, maybe a flirt with the UEFA cup places once again, Martinez trial and error in his first season etc. Nobody's expecting miracles. We're simply at the experimental stages some would argue.

good post Newty. For me the only stats that matter is goals scored and goals conceded.
 
The only way to win games is to score goals. Passing can be a great as anything but ithout goals it is meaningless.

Ha ha...great come back!!! Made me smile.
 
Now get back in your kennel, bitch.