Lescott

[Romey 1878]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/aug/07/joleon-lescott-manchester-city-everton

[Adam]

The question I have is if he plays today what reception will he get.

[Everton_Worshiper]

What other reception should Lescott get except respect & our support?

[Adam]

Shouldnt give any other reception but maybe there will be some that will not give him the reception that he would normally get

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

What other reception should Lescott get except respect & our support?

 

 

I agree, I wont be booing him

[blakefish80]

Ok. I know i'll get the predictable barrage of abuse city fans seem to get every where now. But let me just ask. If you have a player that blatantly wants to play for another club (irregardless of how long he has left on his contract). Why in the hell would you even want to keep him?

 

It seems people are 100% against City breaking the top 4. WHY? If there is one club in the country that deserves the good fortune we are now enjoying, surely it's us! You should all be happy for us. But all we get is Bile spewed at us from every direction. All based on fear (on behalf of the "Established" top 4), And Envy (every other Prem league club, Especially Everton, Villa, Spurs Etc).

 

Another thing that bugs me is all this Hughes bashing?????

 

I simply DON'T get it.

 

You say he tries to bully clubs and acts disrespectfully in regards to our transfer policy. How so? Have any of you actually heard the way he deals with questions directed towards him concerning possible transfer targets? He wouldn't even say Lescotts name in a recent interview because he isn't our player. His exact words were "we have had two bids rejected for the player, and thats where we stand". How in the hell is that "Disrespectful"??? Moyes (who i rate as a very good manager) says it's "disrespectful" not to "phone" a fellow manager about a possible transfer. Thats just not how we do things at City. We do things through official channels. That way everything is above board. We are well within our right to put as many bids as we wish for any player. Just as the owning club has every right to turn those offers down.

 

The fact is Moyes REALLY wants to keep Lescott, But knows the player prefers to talk to City. Plus Everton are skint. So in the interest of his club. He will eventually give in at a reasonable price (£22M)

[EFCfanatic]

What respect is is that when we say he is NOT for sale you move on and RESPECT that he is our player, he is under contract and he's going nowhere. Simple. Hughes bollocking on about wanting to sit around some bastard table and were reluctant. Its like because you have money we are now obliged to discuss a fee with you!

[adamsmith69]

You won't get much abuse on this site City Till I Die. One thing i would like to know is why you feel that if any club deserves this luck, it is you? I think if you speak to a fan of any club they will tell you they deserve it more than most. I am no different, in my humble opinion Everton DO deserve it.

And as you say we have every right to refuse your offers. For what it is worth, i don't think you will get lescott for 22 mill, the only way you will get an offer accepted is if he officially hands in a transfer request, which he doesnt seem to want to do. Whether this is because he doesnt want to forefit a substantial amount of money or because he actually doesn't really want to go is anybody's guess. Remember this is all paper talk that he has written to Bill Kenwright saying he wants to talk to city, and it is all paper talk that he told Moyes he wants to go.

I actually don't mind Man City as a club, and if you could throw Stephen Ireland into any bid then we would appreciate it.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Ok. I know i'll get the predictable barrage of abuse city fans seem to get every where now. But let me just ask. If you have a player that blatantly wants to play for another club (irregardless of how long he has left on his contract). Why in the hell would you even want to keep him?

 

It seems people are 100% against City breaking the top 4. WHY? If there is one club in the country that deserves the good fortune we are now enjoying, surely it's us! You should all be happy for us. But all we get is Bile spewed at us from every direction. All based on fear (on behalf of the "Established" top 4), And Envy (every other Prem league club, Especially Everton, Villa, Spurs Etc).

 

Another thing that bugs me is all this Hughes bashing?????

 

I simply DON'T get it.

 

You say he tries to bully clubs and acts disrespectfully in regards to our transfer policy. How so? Have any of you actually heard the way he deals with questions directed towards him concerning possible transfer targets? He wouldn't even say Lescotts name in a recent interview because he isn't our player. His exact words were "we have had two bids rejected for the player, and thats where we stand". How in the hell is that "Disrespectful"??? Moyes (who i rate as a very good manager) says it's "disrespectful" not to "phone" a fellow manager about a possible transfer. Thats just not how we do things at City. We do things through official channels. That way everything is above board. We are well within our right to put as many bids as we wish for any player. Just as the owning club has every right to turn those offers down.

 

The fact is Moyes REALLY wants to keep Lescott, But knows the player prefers to talk to City. Plus Everton are skint. So in the interest of his club. He will eventually give in at a reasonable price (£22M)

 

 

To be honest I think most of it is jealousy but clubs like City are killing football. Thats not a pop at City if your billionaire owners had not have bought City they would have moved on to the next club and as you say if any side deserves a bit of luck its you lot.

 

But with regards to the Lescott saga City's conduct has been disgraceful. Hughes and Cook have both been banging on openly in the press about how much they want Lescott and how they would treble his wages in a blatant bid to unsettle the player

 

You cant honestly blame Lescott for wanting to go, he doesnt owe Everton anything after all, and the only reason he wants to go is for the money which I think is perfectly understandable(if someone offered to triple my wages I would be off in a flash)

 

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you once the player says he wants to go I would ship him out but its not quite as simple as that here.

We have only got 4 fit senior defenders on the books, 4 if you include Neville, so we simpley cant afford to let him go especially this close to the season. If it was January and Jags was fit then yes take the cash but then if he was fit it would probably be Jags you were after!

 

Part of me does think its funny though. To hear Man Utd Liverpool and especially Chelsea fans going on about City trying to buy the league is nothing short of hypocrisy

[Ian C]

Is the Daily Mail now an "official" channel?

 

I think the main reason people hate City now is their fans' sense of entitlement. A bit of modesty and decorum wouldn't go amiss. But since the buy-out apparently all Everton are to City fans is and I quote "Just a feeder club" and "bin-dippers".

 

Remember who finished above who last season.

[PFthetoffee]

Ok. I know i'll get the predictable barrage of abuse city fans seem to get every where now. But let me just ask. If you have a player that blatantly wants to play for another club (irregardless of how long he has left on his contract). Why in the hell would you even want to keep him?

 

It seems people are 100% against City breaking the top 4. WHY? If there is one club in the country that deserves the good fortune we are now enjoying, surely it's us! You should all be happy for us. But all we get is Bile spewed at us from every direction. All based on fear (on behalf of the "Established" top 4), And Envy (every other Prem league club, Especially Everton, Villa, Spurs Etc).

 

Another thing that bugs me is all this Hughes bashing?????

 

I simply DON'T get it.

 

You say he tries to bully clubs and acts disrespectfully in regards to our transfer policy. How so? Have any of you actually heard the way he deals with questions directed towards him concerning possible transfer targets? He wouldn't even say Lescotts name in a recent interview because he isn't our player. His exact words were "we have had two bids rejected for the player, and thats where we stand". How in the hell is that "Disrespectful"??? Moyes (who i rate as a very good manager) says it's "disrespectful" not to "phone" a fellow manager about a possible transfer. Thats just not how we do things at City. We do things through official channels. That way everything is above board. We are well within our right to put as many bids as we wish for any player. Just as the owning club has every right to turn those offers down.

 

The fact is Moyes REALLY wants to keep Lescott, But knows the player prefers to talk to City. Plus Everton are skint. So in the interest of his club. He will eventually give in at a reasonable price (£22M)

 

How do we know he blatantly wants to play for another club?....its the same people who said he does i.e. the sun...that said he was to be unveiled at city yesterday.....what happened there?

 

Of course we are against city breaking into the top 4....we want to get there as well...if we can both get there, then all is ok but there realisically is only one space available at the moment....and why exactly do you deserve it? We have been in the top flight for over 50 seasons straight, and after years in the doldrums, we have worked our way up to the top end of the league through sheer blood, sweat and tears....you have effectively won the lottery and started buying your way up. This is why people are p***ed off.

 

The Hughes bashing just comes with the territory....I think also, most people don't think Hughes is the man to take city to where your riches should take you....and there seems to be a hint of smugness that he suddenly has all this money to play with....Moyes works off the same page as Fergie in that it takes time, hardwork and dedication to build a great team...not a flukey russian oil shareholder or royal arab.

 

Hopefully this provides some reasoning behind your questions.....

[marcopaulo]

you deserve it more than anyone?! are you mental?! when you're working on a shoestring budget and have actually broke into the top four and finished 5th two years running then you can spout of shite like that until then you have no right! as for lescott hughes has been like a child sayin i want that one and then we summat gets in his way he starts havin a benny over it! the reason i hate him so much is the fact hes become the smuggest man in england since and he'll do shit all with that team! as for city its the fans that annoy the hell out of me to be honest ones such as yourself especially sayin you deserve it! you deserve shit all and only reason you got in europe in last couple years whenever it were was because of a poxy fair play award!

[Everton_Worshiper]

Ok. I know i'll get the predictable barrage of abuse city fans seem to get every where now. But let me just ask. If you have a player that blatantly wants to play for another club (irregardless of how long he has left on his contract). Why in the hell would you even want to keep him?

 

It seems people are 100% against City breaking the top 4. WHY? If there is one club in the country that deserves the good fortune we are now enjoying, surely it's us! You should all be happy for us. But all we get is Bile spewed at us from every direction. All based on fear (on behalf of the "Established" top 4), And Envy (every other Prem league club, Especially Everton, Villa, Spurs Etc).

 

Another thing that bugs me is all this Hughes bashing?????

 

I simply DON'T get it.

 

You say he tries to bully clubs and acts disrespectfully in regards to our transfer policy. How so? Have any of you actually heard the way he deals with questions directed towards him concerning possible transfer targets? He wouldn't even say Lescotts name in a recent interview because he isn't our player. His exact words were "we have had two bids rejected for the player, and thats where we stand". How in the hell is that "Disrespectful"??? Moyes (who i rate as a very good manager) says it's "disrespectful" not to "phone" a fellow manager about a possible transfer. Thats just not how we do things at City. We do things through official channels. That way everything is above board. We are well within our right to put as many bids as we wish for any player. Just as the owning club has every right to turn those offers down.

 

The fact is Moyes REALLY wants to keep Lescott, But knows the player prefers to talk to City. Plus Everton are skint. So in the interest of his club. He will eventually give in at a reasonable price (£22M)

 

LMFAO - entertaining read if nothing else.

 

Are you hughes in disguise?

Hughes used to look a good manager at Blackburn, now he looks inept and I am sure will be gone come christmas.

 

Your comments are full of so much speculation.

[Hafnia]

City with all "their" millions are about as popular as lottery lout Michael Carroll (remember him?). He may well have had the money to buy a big house next to lesser off successfull businessmen (who built up their fortunes through hard work and graft)

 

But when he starts bringing the attention of the media to where he is, dressing up in massive gold chains, flouncing his cash wastefully whilst the local drive around quietly in their Bentleys surely he can't expect to be popular?

 

To top it off, he decides he wants to be accepted so he offers his next door neigbour money for his most favoured car which the neighbour does not wish to sell? Even if he gets that car will it take away the fact that he can not act with class and chooses to financially barge his way around, forgetting that he was previously claiming benefits?

 

I can't see why that would get peoples backs up?

 

It's Friday, analogy day........................

[MikeO]

It's Friday, analogy day........................

And a very fine analogy it is Hafnia. Sums it up beautifully!

[The Boy]

And a very fine analogy it is Hafnia. Sums it up beautifully!

Very very nice Hafnia.... wonderfully put sir!

 

Not much more to add to what people have said. We work with little cash, my brother is a Liverpool fan and he keeps going on about Yak and Felli.. but forgets that they were one off's the rest were freebies in those windows.... and then another poxy foreigner comes over... bit of excitement, messes up the window for everyone and has all the poor man city fans believing they deserve it.

 

You don't. You spent alot last year, were rubbish.. and I truly hope the same happens this year. I hope Bellamy kicks up a stink for not playing, and the ego's all bugger off on holiday mid season cos it's cold and they want to be in, quite frankly, ridculous swim wear.

 

You deserve nothing, as you have earned nothing. You play fantasy football, while clubs like us work hard, train hard, develop spirt and achieve through that....

[MikeO]

I simply DON'T get it.

Does that clarify it for you ?

[PFthetoffee]

C.T.I.D....you asked:

 

You say he tries to bully clubs and acts disrespectfully in regards to our transfer policy. How so?

 

This is probably because with Man Citys newfound ego, they now seem to air their transfer business through the media, and it ends up that the media generate such a hysteria that the player(s) being targeted can't help but get brainwashed into thinking that a move to eastlands is what they want/need so effectively, playersand clubs are being brainwased(bullied) to submission by the media....its like the champs lge, the media hype it up so much, that people actually believe that it is a good competition when we all know its all a load of commercialised nonsense (this may cause some debate but hey, thats what a forum is for)

[Romey 1878]

http://www.footballfancast.com/blog/everton/why-david-moyes-has-every-right-be-peeved/15599

 

 

Good article.

[Blue 250]

Hey Hafnia, I live pretty close to Michael Carroll!....and he hasn't offered to buy my car for an inflated price .

 

Man City fan/s...If Everton had been in your posistion, throwing silly money around, buying players that only really want the massive wages, then I have to admit I would love my football club just a little less.To be honest I can't see what else you could have done with all that money and owners who wany instant success!

I'm proud of what Everton have achieved in the last few years, and we have shone like a becon in this mad world of money rich football teams.You are only doing what the top 4 have been doing for years, but for you to say City deserve this more than anyone is just crazy, when you were on that level playing field a while back you couldn't touch what we were doing.

If we could afford to pay Lescott the same wages you are offering, then you know, we all know he would not be going to City.

If Man city win nothing and finish 7th, then to be honest it would be good for football.

[Philinsuffolk]

In response to CTID -

 

With the aim of some balance happy to acknowledge that you do make some fair points. The game of football in this country certainly does need someone to break the "big 4" - if only so the league table looks a little different each year. But you then apply it to your club rather than just in general.

 

However, the starting premise about the "big 4" is that Chelsea are only there consistently because they bought their place at that top table. They were doing well before Roman and probably would have finished in the top 4 in a given year or 2 here and there, but they wouldn't have been recognised as a member of the "big 4" without the money. City are now doing likewise - so what will happen, will it in time (if it works out for you) become a "big 5" - how big can 5 clubs be in one country? There are only 4 CL places (ie if you finish 4th for the next 3 seasons do Arsenal for instance cease being a member of the "big 4"?). You started well, but then made the wrong argument - your point that City deserve it more than others is incorrect. On what basis do you deserve it? Without the money, your club has failed to do anything of real note. When it did have money it spent it badly with Malcolm Allison going around like Arthur Daley (Steve Daley anyone?). As MarcoPaulo says earlier, if you have achieved more with limited funds then maybe you can claim you deserve a chance to get to the next level. Do I think Everton "deserve" anything? Nope, we need to work hard with whatever resources we have and see what rewards we get. Let us keep in mind here that you are a club that has a new stadium with a large capacity that you did not have to pay for. Trust me, I worked in sport and I know the deal that you got after the Commonwealth Games. So whilst other clubs need to find millions for a new stadium you didn't in the same way. How many free dinners do you want?

 

Next - I agree with you, if a player does want to leave then its probably only a matter of time. However, as stated by others, this isn't blatent with Lescott at this stage. Do I think he wants to leave? Yes. Do I think its blatant? No.

 

The fact is its all just a big game being played isn't it? City have lots of cash. It stands to reason that clubs will try to get as much cash out of you as possible. Is Lescott worth £22m? Nope. Will City pay £22m? Probably. Fine, keep offering and at some stage you will get the player. If City ever feel its not good business then they will change to another target. I'd respect Hughes if he does back out if he feels the player isn't worth more money - it will indicate that he's not willing to panic - I just get the feeling he feels under a lot of pressure.

I wish you well for the new season, I really do.

But I have to be honest, I pity City fans a little. Your club has sytematically failed you throughout your history (which City fans have taken with good humour and grace) and now when you may (?) get success, its because you've bought it. It can't quite feel as good can it? Many Everton fans would disagree with me, but if you offered me your owner and his money to buy Everton instead I wouldn't want it. I'd love us to have £30m a summer to spend, not a penny more or a penny less.

 

Blimey, I feel better having had a bit of a rant!

[jamiemaher85]

A great great post there Phil

[Wirral Wizard]

Spot on Phil, well said. And I too don't want a foreign billionaire investor. One of these clubs is going to go bust before too long...there are only 4 CL places and that's where the money is, so which foreign investors are going to lose interest first because they can't buy success against the other big money investors? Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd are all heavily in debt so one of them may eventually succumb to City's bigger purse strings (once they've bought a proper manager) and they will go the way of Leeds - income slashed, debts spiral out of control, value of the club collapses, goodnight to the 'glory days'.

 

Or the alternative outcome is that the billionaires organise a European Super League so they can secure their future income streams and leave the rest of us with a de-valued Premiership.

 

The day Abramovich came into football was the day football was corrupted. I hope we don't prostitute ourselves the same way these other clubs have.

[efcgenius]

From here - http://www.footballf...be-peeved/15599

 

 

"David Moyes is trying to create something at Everton. He is arguably the best manager outside the top four because of what he has done at Everton on a relatively low budget"

 

 

Understatement of the year, outside of the top 4, my unbiased opinion is that Moyes is THEE best manager in the prem

[blakefish80]

City with all "their" millions are about as popular as lottery lout Michael Carroll (remember him?). He may well have had the money to buy a big house next to lesser off successfull businessmen (who built up their fortunes through hard work and graft)

 

But when he starts bringing the attention of the media to where he is, dressing up in massive gold chains, flouncing his cash wastefully whilst the local drive around quietly in their Bentleys surely he can't expect to be popular?

 

To top it off, he decides he wants to be accepted so he offers his next door neigbour money for his most favoured car which the neighbour does not wish to sell? Even if he gets that car will it take away the fact that he can not act with class and chooses to financially barge his way around, forgetting that he was previously claiming benefits?

I can't see why that would get peoples backs up?

 

It's Friday, analogy day........................

Edited August 8, 2009 by StevO
poor quote skills my pale brother

[blakefish80]

OK. Where to start :-)

 

First. thanks for all your Replies to my little post. I go around every prem league clubs fan forums getting a feel for where other teams fans are at right now. So please don't think i'm trying to have a pop at you Toffee lad's, I'm not. Just yesterday i was at a Chelsea forum (they were a lot less kind than you fine folk). Fulham tomorrow.

 

A few really good posts. Especially Philinlondon. The reason i say City deserve the success is because of it's Truely amazing fan base. We have taken all kind's of shit down the years. None less than from the Plastic Mancs from Trafford. Not many clubs would have got 35,000 fans every match in the 3rd teer of English football. I could only imagine a couple. Everton, Newcastle, Sunderland, (Liverpool wether we like it or not). Clubs with what i would call proper fans. Villa? Arsenal? Utd? Chelsea? I doubt it. But we have been rewarded with so staggeringly little. The odd promotion to cheer about....Great! So of course (in my humble opinion) We deserve our time to suckle at the otherwise unreachable prem league Titty.

 

I agree totaly that a club "should" be rewarded for hard work, honest graft and long term building. But lets be honest with ourselves. That unfortunatley, is not the way football works in this day and age. A great club like Everton when coming up against the established big 4, Might be able to finish 4th on the odd occasion. Maybe reach a couple of Domestic cup finals. Even lift a couple of trophies. But Win the Prem league? Or the Champ League? Unfortunatley not (and i emphasise Unfortunatley). City however are now in the genuine position to do it. prehaps not immediately like some crazy top flight managers and some pot stiring bookmakers believe. But we will in a few seasons be top 4/5 regulars chalenging for top honers. thats why i say ya'll should get behind us. It takes Money. And ridiculous amounts of it. To be able to make a "sustained" challenge on the top spots, and the big titles.

 

I don't agree City and Madrid have inflated the market for everyone else. They've simply inflated the market for City and Madrid. If Spurs or Villa had bid for Lescott, and City were never involved. Do you think he would be valued as high as he is? Maybe, but i seriously doubt it.

 

The fact is Everyone who has ever had real sustained success has thrown crazy money around to get there. Arsenal prehaps being the genuine exception. So why are City any different? We are just doing what others have done. And from a weaker starting position than the likes of Chelsea. So inevitabley it will cost silly money to get the best players.

 

Anyway on the player this thread is about. I still think he will join City. But honestly, I'm not sure we really need him. Is he any better than Richards? He's probably actually not as good when both are playing at thier very best. Onouha will be fantastic in the next couple of seasons too. We just want him so we have a great squad.

 

So thanks for listning and commenting. Hope you guys have a great season. Could reach the top4 yourselves if things go your way. And remember, Its football, It's not a matter of life or death. It's much more serious

 

Take care chaps......

Edited August 7, 2009 by C.T.I.D.

[MikeO]

Fair enough mate. People may disagree with you but you're always welcome to come and have your say if you keep it sensible like that .

Hope your new found wealth brings you everything you deserve .

[Bill]

Its a pity that visitors, especially scouse visitors to the Bluemoon forum dont get treated with equal respect.

 

You need to have a word with Ric and Damocles .......... get it sorted.

[Ian C]

Fulham fans are awesome, I know a couple of the guys on here are on a Fulham fansite.

 

Always good to have other teams' fans on here.

 

 

And I agree with Bill, bluemoon is full of arseholes.

[blakefish80]

I've never been on the bluemoon forum. There are other city ones i prefer. I'll give it a miss froem what you lads say. Unfortunatley my beloved City has it's fair share of Tossers since we got a bit of cash and the great players that inevitabley provides. They need to realise we still havent done anything yet. It'll be a long road.

 

As for the Manc/Scouse Rivalry....Sorry lads but thats been going on much longer than you or I. And will be around for many a long year yet. Besides there's nothing wrong with a bit of regional banter Downright rudeness and Making things personal however is a different matter. I like the banter. But i'm no scouse hater. Especialy not against you Toffee's. You wear the right colour after all (even if it is the wrong shade) LOL . If These Ric and Damocles twats are as sad as you say, Then just ignore the Nobs.