Would Relegation Be A Blessing In Disguise.

[Memmaclub]

I firmly believe with the current personell Board Manager and Players that we will in the next few years be relegated. We are without doubt on the downward spiral.

 

If we get relegated this year I hope as a result Moyes would go Kenright would go and we would be a really cheap club to purchase.

 

I would sell the following to raise funds and get a team ready for life to get promotion back to the prem with a much lower wage bill and a more determined set of players.

 

I would sell.

 

Bily

Saha

Jonny H

Yak

Anichebe

arteta

 

There are a few players I would like to keep but would probably have to go like felli baines jags etc. I am past watching this team play without passion even phil neville looked void of passion. INfact beckford was the only one who seemed to care. Anichebe getting a start is so baffling

[FellainisHair]

No, but for me we need a clear out. I reckon we should start getting the youngsters in. Mikky, Heitinga, Bily, Yak, Vaughan, Jags (if we get £15m +), Saha, Anichebe. All out the door. We don't need them and they would make us some good money. Bring in the likes of Baxter and Duffy.

[Hafnia]

Blimey! - No in a word.

 

Relegation, not a chance would I accept that.

 

What I hope is this:

 

1. Moyes reads riot act to the players, extra training etc. His mind set maybe looking at the lack of support coming from above with no spends in the summer despite 3 first team regs being on last legs (Saha, Neville, Cahill) - therefore a strained relationship with Bill and co.

 

2. The momentum from Evertonians for change influences a greater voice from the fans. The club needs to be sold, we've waited long enough, get it done. If it involves protests to get publicity then so be it. It may drive the price down with potential suitors realising the pressure to sell is greater than before.

 

3. Due dilligence is carried out at an extreme level, a business model put into place where a plan around ensuring the club has the ability to generate funds rather than just leverage more debt = new stadium. (are we candidates for the Stanley park site now that Liverpools new owners are reluctant to move there?)

 

4. Moyes either gets new back room staff or seriously considers his time. I believe Moyes to be a fine club manager, tactically though I have big doubts. A Ray Wilkins on board maybe?

 

Anyway these are my opinions...

[EFC-Paul]

No The only good thing that would come out of that would be the possbilty of a reshuffle at boardroom level other then that everything else would go tits up just like at Boro

[The Beard]

The biggest NO of all the biggest No's, simple as that.

[marcopaulo]

[Matt]

shut up you numpty.

[SimonButtle]

probably abit too drastic a measure, i think a clearout is a better bet tbh

[smeghead1]

fcuk no were skint as it is that would just make things a million times worse!

[scouse]

shut up you numpty.

 

This - what possible positives can you take from that? you say keeps Jags, Bainess etc - for one we couldnt really afford to keep them (we struggle as a prem club to keep them!), for two why would they stay at a championship club when they are fighting for England places? I could continue but I wont...

[nogs]

No, because it's a long hard slog back in to the Prem and we've got too many quality players who would want to walk immediately.

 

I don't know what the answer is, I still reckon this is the best group of players I can remember at Everton but there is something seriously wrong in there, we are so, so much better than what we showed at Bolton, you dont beat Spurs, Man City and unluckily draw to Chelsea in the cup if that's really how good you are. The whole feel of the club, from board and Moyes talking about how we have no money to spend, players' attitudes right through to the fans is that we've hit a wall and all the optimism of last few years has disappeared. We HAVE to turn that round, and anyone who's not up for the fight, from players looking for bigger wages and European football to Moyes himself, has to go.

 

I've said it before, we can't rely on a buy-out and more investment, if we just sit back waiting for that we will end up getting relegated. This group of players is good enough to compete for Europe and Moyes is a good enough manager to take us forward, I think a wholesale clearout would be counter-productive. I think Arteta on his wages and on form he's shown this season has to be sold while we can still get £10m-plus for him, I think we can get £10m for Bily selling him back to a Russian club, and although I wouldn't wanna do it, i'd probably sacrifice Heitinga as well. That should be £30m in the summer to bring in five or six young, hungry players, a couple of strikers being top priority, and then I think we'd be good to go again.

[Romey 1878]

I know yesterday was bad, but fuck me, did you lose all sensibilities watching it? Relegation may make Moyes leave and then fan pressure may get Bill Kenwright out but relegation would be a disaster for this club, not a fucking blessing.

[Hafnia]

We have one clear problem - it's evolution. We are focusing on our first 11 and yes it can challenge the better teams in the league, fact. Having our best squad for years means nothing, everyone else seems to have the same thing.

 

The problem we have is that a few years back the premier league was split in three clear levels, Top 4, 5-8 and the rest were pretty much cannon fodder. We were able to supplement our poor results against the top 4 by picking up alot from elsewhere. Now things have reversed.

 

Why? Well Look at the squads of teams that we used to bank 4-6 points off a season... Athletic, strong pacey, difficult to break down. Press high up the field,, counter attack etc etc. Nearly every team has at least one free kick specialist nowadays! Gone are the days where lower league teams would have a few old wise heads who would bark at their team mates to sit deep and soak pressure, only to be on the receiving end of a 5-0 thrashing once the deadlock was broken.

 

We are still approaching teams with a caution first approach, only when we realise we have to throw caution to the wind (concede) do we look like a team who are dangerous (West Ham, Blackpool etc) -

 

Bolton yesterday was an example of two things, 1. the other teams are stronger, 2. we have not evolved our style to overcome them and moyes has no ideas on how to change plan A, the team is set up with one idea. If it doesn't work and then he tinkers around with a spanner like a YTS mechanic trying to start an engine.

 

The sad fact of the matter is that we have no real leader, Neville is a leader in voice but his example decreases with every pathetic attempt at a step over, getting rid of the ball like a hot potatoe, random interviews on topics that he has no place to comment. Baines for me looks like that person in the absence of Jags. Top and bottom we need a carragher esque character on the pitch. As much as I dislike the Reds, I couldn't help but admire Carraghers knowledge on sky sports yesterday - talks total sense and is a credit to the game.

[MikeO]

...I couldn't help but admire Carraghers knowledge on sky sports yesterday - talks total sense and is a credit to the game.

He plainly still has some Blue in him .

[Adam Partington]

We have one clear problem - it's evolution. We are focusing on our first 11 and yes it can challenge the better teams in the league, fact. Having our best squad for years means nothing, everyone else seems to have the same thing.

 

The problem we have is that a few years back the premier league was split in three clear levels, Top 4, 5-8 and the rest were pretty much cannon fodder. We were able to supplement our poor results against the top 4 by picking up alot from elsewhere. Now things have reversed.

 

Why? Well Look at the squads of teams that we used to bank 4-6 points off a season... Athletic, strong pacey, difficult to break down. Press high up the field,, counter attack etc etc. Nearly every team has at least one free kick specialist nowadays! Gone are the days where lower league teams would have a few old wise heads who would bark at their team mates to sit deep and soak pressure, only to be on the receiving end of a 5-0 thrashing once the deadlock was broken.

 

We are still approaching teams with a caution first approach, only when we realise we have to throw caution to the wind (concede) do we look like a team who are dangerous (West Ham, Blackpool etc) -

 

Bolton yesterday was an example of two things, 1. the other teams are stronger, 2. we have not evolved our style to overcome them and moyes has no ideas on how to change plan A, the team is set up with one idea. If it doesn't work and then he tinkers around with a spanner like a YTS mechanic trying to start an engine.

 

The sad fact of the matter is that we have no real leader, Neville is a leader in voice but his example decreases with every pathetic attempt at a step over, getting rid of the ball like a hot potatoe, random interviews on topics that he has no place to comment. Baines for me looks like that person in the absence of Jags. Top and bottom we need a carragher esque character on the pitch. As much as I dislike the Reds, I couldn't help but admire Carraghers knowledge on sky sports yesterday - talks total sense and is a credit to the game.

 

Very, Very, Very good shout mate. I think you are right. But as someone stated above about wholesale changes. Any form of 'Massive Change' or 'Overhaul' normally has a dire effect to begin with. Would Moyes be willing to dismantle everything he has built knowing that starting the cycle again may prove that in five or six years we are just back to where we are now, with a new crop of players having to be sold to fund more change. Would our club steer clear of relegation if wholesale change was introduced, I'm not so sure.

 

I haven't got the answers and I'm worried about the future of our football club. It is ok saying "Lets bring in an new owner" but who out there is looking to buy? The difference with us and the Redshite, is that people wanted to buy Liverpool Football Club. How many people really want to buy Everton Football Club? I'm scared that the REAL answer is no one does.

 

As for the statement "Would Relegation Be A Blessing In Disguise". I respect your shout but have a day off will yer, thats like saying Cancer would be brilliant because it makes you start thinking about what you have in life and maybe you won't take things for granted. Its that kinda concept and I think its utter shite. Relegation would mean we don't come back. I'm sure of that.

[Blue 250]

For me right now, a blessing would come in the shape of a very thinly disguised three teams, probably already below us, starting to have a terrible run where they don't get more than a token couple of points.THAT would be a blessing in disguise......not being relegated.

 

Still going to win the FA cup

[lilpyrokid951]

Very, Very, Very good shout mate. I think you are right. But as someone stated above about wholesale changes. Any form of 'Massive Change' or 'Overhaul' normally has a dire effect to begin with. Would Moyes be willing to dismantle everything he has built knowing that starting the cycle again may prove that in five or six years we are just back to where we are now, with a new crop of players having to be sold to fund more change. Would our club steer clear of relegation if wholesale change was introduced, I'm not so sure.

 

I haven't got the answers and I'm worried about the future of our football club. It is ok saying "Lets bring in an new owner" but who out there is looking to buy? The difference with us and the Redshite, is that people wanted to buy Liverpool Football Club. How many people really want to buy Everton Football Club? I'm scared that the REAL answer is no one does.

 

As for the statement "Would Relegation Be A Blessing In Disguise". I respect your shout but have a day off will yer, thats like saying Cancer would be brilliant because it makes you start thinking about what you have in life and maybe you won't take things for granted. Its that kinda concept and I think its utter shite. Relegation would mean we don't come back. I'm sure of that.

 

i can't understand why there are people lining up to buy clubs like portsmouth, west ham, man city (at least before the arabs) when there seems to be no one interested in everton. our club has a much greater history than any of them, a very good squad, and buying everton would be considerably cheaper than buying a liverpool or spurs.

 

as has been mentioned before, our squad is not the problem. i think the order of things that would need to be changed at the club are:

 

1. kenwright selling the club to someone who can actually finance a move to a new stadium and being able to give us transfer funds for each window.

 

2. moyes out, new manager in. two, three years ago it was the general consensus that moyes was a young manager on the up, tipped to be the next big thing. in the past two years, it looks like moyes has stalled, and some people even argue that he's regressed a bit in his tactical abilities so i think unless we start to see more positive development from moyes soon, this may be as far as he's able to take everton.

 

3. trimming the squad of the players not fully committed to everton, such as bily (possibly), johnny, yak, arteta (he's been crap this season), etc. we need to start giving a chance to the younger players and building the team around players like coleman, rodwell and gueye. it can be said that playing the youngsters more regularly would result in bad form but when we're in the form we are this season, i can't understand why moyes doesn't use the youngsters more. he continues to use the same players that really haven't had it click this season so why not use that as a chance to bring the younger players through, especially when they're the ones going to make a difference in the next few years.

 

those points being made, i wouldn't want any of those 3 to happen all at once which has been mentioned. i would only want one of these to happen at a time and the order i've put them in is just the rank in which i would desire them to happen.

 

now, no one really wants us to be relegated. i can understand having a bad day and feeling a bit depressed about the future of our club after how crap we were yesterday and all the news about financial state in the past week, but no true fan should ever wish relegation on everton. it would absolutely destroy our club and as mentioned it would be a long time for us to even get back to the state we're in now.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

shut up you numpty.

 

 

I couldnt be bothered reading the rest of the posts in this thread because this hits the nail smack bang on the head!

[Louis]

This is from a national today:

 

Everton’s despair must not lead to desperate measures

 

"Imagine a football club that ticks just about every box. A proud, historic club, owned by a local boy made good, playing in front of packed, passionate crowds in an atmospheric stadium, where a gifted, spirited bunch of players are sent out by a talented, determined manager with a genuine affinity for the institution he represents. It sounds idyllic — the club in question is also well supported, well run, well managed — but in the material world that is English football in 2011, it is nothing like enough. Glory is what every fan craves, but hope and ambition come not far behind. And hope, never mind glory, costs serious money these days, as Everton are discovering.

 

David Moyes looked depressed during and after Everton’s 2-0 defeat away to Bolton Wanderers yesterday, a result that left his team just three points clear of the relegation zone. Asked whether they were now in a relegation battle, Moyes replied that he had thought so “since the third week of the season” — a season that began with no less a judge than Sir Alex Ferguson tipping them to challenge for a top-four finish. For Everton to achieve that would, on the basis of most expectations at the start of this season, entail finishing above Manchester City, Tottenham Hotspur and Liverpool. In other words, it would require them to outperform three clubs who spend far bigger sums on transfer fees and, in particular, wages. And if Moyes’s record at Goodison Park inspires confidence that it can be done, the correlation between the Premier League and the Deloitte Football Money League tables has never been closer. Everton’s wage bill last season, as laid out last week in their financial accounts for the year ending May 31 2010, was £54.3 million. Chelsea’s for the same period has been reported at £172 million. City’s was £133 million. Aston Villa and Tottenham, never mind Liverpool and United, spend far bigger sums on wages. Everton’s more natural position would be as one of a cluster — Blackburn Rovers, Fulham, Sunderland and West Ham United — scrambling for a top-half finish.

 

Time for Bill Kenwright, the Everton chairman, to loosen the purse strings? In theory, yes, but there is not much room for financial manoeuvre. Their wage bill rose by 10.7 per cent last season and other costs rose by 12.2 per cent, but their turnover shrank by 0.7 per cent. With debts of a little less then £48 million — and debts that the club has to work hard to service — the place is not awash with cash. In order for Everton to be competitive, something has to change. A new stadium was the priority for years — there was the much-mourned failure in 2003 to raise funds to build on a desirable location on Kings Dock and the less-lamented rejection in 2008 of a development in Kirkby — but for now the club are resigned to spending the foreseeable future at Goodison Park, a ground that yielded matchday revenue of £22.8 million last season. Equivalent figures elsewhere: Tottenham £36.8 million, Liverpool £42.9 million, Arsenal £93.9 million, United £100.2 million. Kenwright has concluded that he has to sell, having admitted that he is “a pauper when it comes to other chairmen”. But the longer his search goes on, the quieter things are on the investment front, the louder the accusations come from supporters that he is holding back the club, standing in the way of progress, putting his own interests before those of his “beloved” Everton.

 

It all sounds very familiar. It sounds like the accusations levelled at David Moores as he made unrealistic demands of anyone seeking to buy Liverpool four or five years ago. As the pressure grew, Moores ended up panicking, choosing the most favourable offer of the two in front of him and selling to two American tycoons who oversaw perhaps the most turbulent, chaotic, damaging period in the club’s history — a period from which the damage has yet to be fully ascertained.

Everton need a new start, but just how desperate are they? Desperate enough to demand that the search for new investment is intensified or widened, certainly, but surely not so desperate as to demand that Kenwright simply sells to the highest bidder. The modern history of English football tells us that it is far easier to succeed with outside investment, but it also tells us that the promise of outside investment — think Hicks and Gillett, Mike Ashley, Alexandre Gaydamak, Thaksin Shinawatra, those jokers who almost ruined Notts County — is almost always far more attractive than the reality. These, though, are the times we live in. Any change is often regarded as better than none. Even the vague promise of hope is better than a familiar sense of disappointment. But if there is one thing worse than a prudent owner who proclaims to care as much as any supporter, it is the reckless owner who clearly cares only for himself. And the experience of clubs up and down the land, through all four divisions, tells us that if Everton could do better than Kenwright, they could also do a lot worse. An awful lot worse."

[EFC-Paul]

This is from a national today:

 

That's a cracking article Louis, I'm not a BK hater by any means and the man has done a fairish for better a word job over the last few years but there is a fine line these days on taking a club forward or backwards and at the moment we are the latter and if things carry on as they are we will frankly be in the shit.

 

If things behind the scene's are as bad as most think or expect then surely BK and the board have no other option then to really find a buyer so as much as a don't like our current situation I will be optimistic and say time hopefully in the short term future will tell.

Edited February 14, 2011 by EFC-Paul