The Peoples Group

[SimonButtle]

We have no idea to what part Kenwright played in the previous regime. If Johnson did things kenwright was opposed to, then it's hardly fair to tarnish him with the same brush as Johnson. He might however had a lot to do with influence in the previous regime. Again, we don't know, so i will not say someone is guilty when there is no evidence to prove that.

 

The fact remains that Kenwright either needs to sell the club (there are no buyers) or hand over the reigns to someone more able to move the club forward until such times as a sale of the club could be made. So which person does Kenwright hand the reigns over to drive this club forward? I haven't got any answers to that, do you?

Kenwright should not hand it over to anyone i will agree on that, you say you hav'nt got any answers? well i would have thought there was one staring most of us in the face tbh, he needs someone onboard who has experience within the sports industry, and can help him make the most of EFC as a sports based business, his background is in show business, not sports, now im sure there are some similarities, but im sure there are also some vast canyons between the two which Kenwright has never been able to bridge, especially when it comes to marketing and the like.

 

For example, and THESE ARE ONLY EXAMPLES:

 

kit manufacturers are Le Coq Sportif, who on the grand scheme has heard of them? they are an old school brand i remember from when i was a kid, we should be looking to have a kit by Nike or Addidas, a big name well known across the globe to millions of people and a brand people instantly recognise.

 

shirt sponsor is Chang, some piss poor Beer company from the back end of nowhere, that was a poor attemt to crack the aisan market, if they want to crack the aisan market then why not Tiger Beer or Cobra Beer, brands people have actually heard of and brands people know and buy already, even better(and this is a massive long shot) what about RedBull, they have involvment in certain smaller leagues like the MLS and they sponsor Salzburg in Austria, but they seem very keen on sports promotion, why hav'nt we approached a company like that offering their brand on our shirts in the biggest league in the world, the exposure for them and us would be huge, they are a marketing machine to behold, the sums of money invovled with a company like that would be quite large i reckon

 

and the renaming of stadiums.....a touchy subject i know, and not something im keen on myself, but we are stuck at GP for at least another 5-10 years i reckon, which is not that long tbh, so why the hell not just go do it and get some cash in to settle the books and keep everybody happy, we won't be there forever so it would'nt be a permanent thing, just temporary and would boost the cash flow quite considerably

 

these are just a few of the things i can think of op the top of my head, im not saying we have to make these changes, they are just my personal thoughts

Edited July 13, 2011 by theprisoner

[Hafnia]

It's worth keeping just to update the forum on a movement who aren't interested in ignoring glowing errors made at board level due to lack of facts, but the fact that these errors happened under their stewardship.

 

The Peoplesgroup are highlighting the fact that there are fans out there, me included, who do not really need to see the smoking gun before making a judgement. The time for benefit of the doubt has passed for many.

 

The peoplesgroup are doing something positive for people who want our concerns aired by the media which may well result in an investigation. I hope to see continued momentum.

 

Steveo - may be worth bumping an age old thread relevant to the repetitive posts being made on this thread.

[StevO]

Not a bad idea haf but I just can't be arsed (and no search facility on the app)

[SimonButtle]

It's worth keeping just to update the forum on a movement who aren't interested in ignoring glowing errors made at board level due to lack of facts, but the fact that these errors happened under their stewardship.

 

The Peoplesgroup are highlighting the fact that there are fans out there, me included, who do not really need to see the smoking gun before making a judgement. The time for benefit of the doubt has passed for many.

 

The peoplesgroup are doing something positive for people who want our concerns aired by the media which may well result in an investigation. I hope to see continued momentum.

 

Steveo - may be worth bumping an age old thread relevant to the repetitive posts being made on this thread.

i heard the guy from the peoples group on the radio last night, he was very good, they just want answers at the end of the day same as we all do to those questions that come around time and time again

[MikeO]

i heard the guy from the peoples group on the radio last night, he was very good, they just want answers at the end of the day same as we all do to those questions that come around time and time again

If people ask questions of someone they believe to be a liar what's the benefit (to either side) of them being answered?

[SimonButtle]

If people ask questions of someone they believe to be a liar what's the benefit (to either side) of them being answered?

im not sure BK is a liar though, i just think he's abit out of his depth thats all, i have read alot on here the last few days and been thinking about it all, and ive slightly changed my view on BK, like i said i just think he's out of his depth now, but i don't think he is at fault for everything like some people seem to think.

Edited July 13, 2011 by theprisoner

[MikeO]

im not sure BK is a liar though, i just think he's abit out of his depth thats all, i have read alot on here the last few days and been thinking about it all, and ive slightly changed my view on BK, like i said i just think he's out of his depth now, but i don't think he is at fault for everything like some people seem to think.

Fair enough Si...good on you for being open to the arguments on all sides.

 

May not apply to you but it does apply to many. Bill has on many occasions answered questions, as have other people at the club, just that a lot of people don't like or accept what he's said.

 

What specific questions do they want answered btw...do we know?

[SimonButtle]

the guy last night was just saying stuff like, they would like to know where the money has gone from certain transfers, why we seem to be so skint compared to smaller teams in the prem and championship leagues and as talking alot about their letter they have made up and about how he have a great manager in Moyes who will walk soon if things don't show any sign of changing, he never said anything about wanting BK out or anything like that

 

Im on their FB page, and they are saying today that they will have their own forum/site up in the next few days

Edited July 13, 2011 by theprisoner

[pete0]

Kenwright should not hand it over to anyone i will agree on that, you say you hav'nt got any answers? well i would have thought there was one staring most of us in the face tbh, he needs someone onboard who has experience within the sports industry, and can help him make the most of EFC as a sports based business, his background is in show business, not sports, now im sure there are some similarities, but im sure there are also some vast canyons between the two which Kenwright has never been able to bridge, especially when it comes to marketing and the like.

We have good marketing through pre-season tours. USA and Aus being quite successful markets, only cock up is the Africa tour.

 

For example, and THESE ARE ONLY EXAMPLES:

 

kit manufacturers are Le Coq Sportif, who on the grand scheme has heard of them? they are an old school brand i remember from when i was a kid, we should be looking to have a kit by Nike or Addidas, a big name well known across the globe to millions of people and a brand people instantly recognise.

How would having a different kit manufacturer bring more fans? Doubt Stoke have gained anymore fans from it, jus get less revenue because you like a little tick on yer shirt

shirt sponsor is Chang, some piss poor Beer company from the back end of nowhere, that was a poor attemt to crack the aisan market, if they want to crack the aisan market then why not Tiger Beer or Cobra Beer, brands people have actually heard of and brands people know and buy already, even better(and this is a massive long shot) what about RedBull, they have involvment in certain smaller leagues like the MLS and they sponsor Salzburg in Austria, but they seem very keen on sports promotion, why hav'nt we approached a company like that offering their brand on our shirts in the biggest league in the world, the exposure for them and us would be huge, they are a marketing machine to behold, the sums of money invovled with a company like that would be quite large i reckon

Chang has been beneficial, jus like keijan helped us break in to a global market, much better the dark days of Danka ironed over one2one. Also Chang is much better than Tiger, and is a growing brand. It has the potential to be a top selling premium beer. Redbull would be great but they are already a established brand with a healthy market share and i dont see how they would benefit as they already do a lot of promotion-festivals, F1 and bars which would be there target consumers, whereas football spectators are more likely to stick with beer

 

and the renaming of stadiums.....a touchy subject i know, and not something im keen on myself, but we are stuck at GP for at least another 5-10 years i reckon, which is not that long tbh, so why the hell not just go do it and get some cash in to settle the books and keep everybody happy, we won't be there forever so it would'nt be a permanent thing, just temporary and would boost the cash flow quite considerably

i love Goodison, but its had its day. What company would pay for naming rights of a 100 year old stadium that would still be referenced by all as Goodison or the old lady

 

these are just a few of the things i can think of op the top of my head, im not saying we have to make these changes, they are just my personal thoughts

[SimonButtle]

1. i cant agree that we have good marketing at everton lol, USA and AUS are hardly hotbeds of football interest are they, well ok the USA is much better now, i also had a friend who worked in the marketing dept at everton and he left after 6 months to go work for the fa, because he said they did'nt have scooby doo what they were doing, he said it was all over the place, this was 2 years ago so things might be different now.

 

2.as for the kit manufacturers well you give stoke as an example, nobody knows who they are, they are minnows, a deal with Nike or Addidas would surely be worth more money than one with LCS?

 

3.from what i can see Chang are not a growing brand? where can you buy it? i live down south and ive never even seen Chang beer even in the local thai resturant they don't sell it, and certainly not in any of the shops down here you don't see it, whereas Tiger and Cobra beer is something you see everywhere, and like i said RedBull are already involved in football in the smaller leagues it would be a chance to break into the big leagues, they sponsor everything from F1 to cliff diving!!!

 

4.the renaming of the stadium i do agree with you on that tbh, but it would be a chance for a big company to get their name on Sky beamed into the livingrooms and pubs in many countries around the world

 

these were only examples at the end of the day

Edited July 13, 2011 by theprisoner

[MikeO]

I don't think the kit manufacturer makes any difference....and LCS have come up with some of our best shirts for years least season and this. The Everton badge is the only logo that concerns me on our shirts.

 

And Tesco recently started selling Chang http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/search/default.aspx?searchBox=chang

[SimonButtle]

I don't think the kit manufacturer makes any difference....and LCS have come up with some of our best shirts for years least season and this. The Everton badge is the only logo that concerns me on our shirts.

 

And Tesco recently started selling Chang http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/search/default.aspx?searchBox=chang

its good to know the Tesco thing Mike i will have a look the next time i go past there, the kit thing is just because we would get a bigger deal with Nike or Addidas, but Mark mentioned something the other day that, Nike are going to be our next kit manufacturer apparently?

[StevO]

We may not sell more shirts with Nike or adidas but we would prob sell more merchandise. You see loads more kids around town with adidas Liverpool trackys on but not many efc lcs. I think you will notice a drop when they go to under armour next year.

 

Also, red bull don't sponsor these events and clubs they buy them. They own saltzburg and own the f1 team, the red bull x games, they just buy things instead.

[pax]

, no one really cares mate.

I'd just like you to shut up, it's past boring.

 

 

If you don't care, and you don't want to read what i post, then why even look in this thread let alone comment consistently? Do as i say not as i do eh ! Speaks volumes about your mentality i'm afraid.

[pax]

Kenwright should not hand it over to anyone i will agree on that, you say you hav'nt got any answers? well i would have thought there was one staring most of us in the face tbh, he needs someone onboard who has experience within the sports industry, and can help him make the most of EFC as a sports based business, his background is in show business, not sports, now im sure there are some similarities, but im sure there are also some vast canyons between the two which Kenwright has never been able to bridge, especially when it comes to marketing and the like.

 

For example, and THESE ARE ONLY EXAMPLES:

 

kit manufacturers are Le Coq Sportif, who on the grand scheme has heard of them? they are an old school brand i remember from when i was a kid, we should be looking to have a kit by Nike or Addidas, a big name well known across the globe to millions of people and a brand people instantly recognise.

 

shirt sponsor is Chang, some piss poor Beer company from the back end of nowhere, that was a poor attemt to crack the aisan market, if they want to crack the aisan market then why not Tiger Beer or Cobra Beer, brands people have actually heard of and brands people know and buy already, even better(and this is a massive long shot) what about RedBull, they have involvment in certain smaller leagues like the MLS and they sponsor Salzburg in Austria, but they seem very keen on sports promotion, why hav'nt we approached a company like that offering their brand on our shirts in the biggest league in the world, the exposure for them and us would be huge, they are a marketing machine to behold, the sums of money invovled with a company like that would be quite large i reckon

 

and the renaming of stadiums.....a touchy subject i know, and not something im keen on myself, but we are stuck at GP for at least another 5-10 years i reckon, which is not that long tbh, so why the hell not just go do it and get some cash in to settle the books and keep everybody happy, we won't be there forever so it would'nt be a permanent thing, just temporary and would boost the cash flow quite considerably

 

these are just a few of the things i can think of op the top of my head, im not saying we have to make these changes, they are just my personal thoughts

 

Glad to see someone can actually enter into a debate and put forward ideas and show some actually thinking.

 

I agree with you. Everton needs someone in the club at a high level who knows the business of sport/football inside out. I have a feeling Everton will claim they already have this, but i'm not sure who that would be.

 

Shirt sponsor, i agree with your sentiments but i bet reality is somewhat different. I'm guessing there were not a q of large companies wanting to make the Everton kit. I'm guessing we took the best offer on the table.

 

The same goes for Chang. We took the best offer on the table

 

The Red Bull thing, well that's a very long story, but basically ask any Salzburg supporter about Red Bull. Red Bull don't tend to sponsor many things, they tend to own things and market the shit out of it.

Have a read of this;

 

After the takeover, Red Bull changed the club's name, management, and staff, declaring "this is a new club with no history." Red Bull initially claimed on the club website that the club was founded in 2005, but was ordered to remove this claim by the Austrian F.A. The new authority removed all trace of violet from the club logo and the team now play in the new colours of red and white, to the consternation of much of the club's traditional support.[1] A small pair of wings form the motif of the new club crest, displayed on the team jersey, in accordance with Red Bull's commercial slogan at the time: "It gives you wings." This complete rebranding of the team proved very similar to Red Bull's treatment of its two Formula One racing teams, Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso. However, Red Bull would not completely follow this precedent when it acquired the MetroStars club in Major League Soccer in the United States; while it rebranded the team as the New York Red Bulls, it chose to recognise the MetroStars' history.

 

The traditional supporters tried to resist the radical changes and formed their own movement in order to regain some of the tradition. Several fan-clubs throughout Europe voiced their support in what they saw as a fight against the growing commercialisation of football. However, after five months of protests and talks between the club owners and traditional fans, no compromise was reached. On 15 September 2005, the "violet" supporters stated that the talks had irreversibly broken down and efforts to reach an agreement would be terminated.

This gave rise to two separate fan groups: the "Red-Whites", who support "Red Bull Salzburg" and the "Violet-Whites", who want to preserve the 72-year-old tradition and refuse to support the rebranded club. The Violet-Whites ultimately formed a new club, SV Austria Salzburg.

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We could sell our club to red bull and then basically they would set up a brand new club.

 

The problem with re-naming of the stadium, is who would want to sponsor a stadium that represents the past? It's only brand new, modern stadiums that attract naming rights, for obvious reasons. I am however in the firm ' sell the name of the stadium' camp if we can get good money for it.

[pax]

It's worth keeping just to update the forum on a movement who aren't interested in ignoring glowing errors made at board level due to lack of facts, but the fact that these errors happened under their stewardship.

 

The Peoplesgroup are highlighting the fact that there are fans out there, me included, who do not really need to see the smoking gun before making a judgement. The time for benefit of the doubt has passed for many.

 

The peoplesgroup are doing something positive for people who want our concerns aired by the media which may well result in an investigation. I hope to see continued momentum.

 

Steveo - may be worth bumping an age old thread relevant to the repetitive posts being made on this thread.

 

:lol: What a perfect example of propaganda :lol:

 

Would you care to word that anymore in favor of YOU'RE OPINION. :lol:

[StevO]

If you don't care, and you don't want to read what i post, then why even look in this thread let alone comment consistently? Do as i say not as i do eh ! Speaks volumes about your mentality i'm afraid.

Part of the job mate, we have to keep the forum in check.

[Hafnia]

:lol: What a perfect example of propaganda :lol:

 

Would you care to word that anymore in favor of YOU'RE OPINION. :lol:

 

Would have thought such a movement would be in your interest Pax - all being in the interest of knowing the facts.

 

Maybe you should set up a rival "The ostriches pride"

 

In fact - go on talk sport, ideal opportunity

Edited July 13, 2011 by Hafnia

[SimonButtle]

Glad to see someone can actually enter into a debate and put forward ideas and show some actually thinking.

 

I agree with you. Everton needs someone in the club at a high level who knows the business of sport/football inside out. I have a feeling Everton will claim they already have this, but i'm not sure who that would be.

 

Shirt sponsor, i agree with your sentiments but i bet reality is somewhat different. I'm guessing there were not a q of large companies wanting to make the Everton kit. I'm guessing we took the best offer on the table.

 

The same goes for Chang. We took the best offer on the table

 

The Red Bull thing, well that's a very long story, but basically ask any Salzburg supporter about Red Bull. Red Bull don't tend to sponsor many things, they tend to own things and market the shit out of it.

Have a read of this;

 

After the takeover, Red Bull changed the club's name, management, and staff, declaring "this is a new club with no history." Red Bull initially claimed on the club website that the club was founded in 2005, but was ordered to remove this claim by the Austrian F.A. The new authority removed all trace of violet from the club logo and the team now play in the new colours of red and white, to the consternation of much of the club's traditional support.[1] A small pair of wings form the motif of the new club crest, displayed on the team jersey, in accordance with Red Bull's commercial slogan at the time: "It gives you wings." This complete rebranding of the team proved very similar to Red Bull's treatment of its two Formula One racing teams, Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso. However, Red Bull would not completely follow this precedent when it acquired the MetroStars club in Major League Soccer in the United States; while it rebranded the team as the New York Red Bulls, it chose to recognise the MetroStars' history.

 

The traditional supporters tried to resist the radical changes and formed their own movement in order to regain some of the tradition. Several fan-clubs throughout Europe voiced their support in what they saw as a fight against the growing commercialisation of football. However, after five months of protests and talks between the club owners and traditional fans, no compromise was reached. On 15 September 2005, the "violet" supporters stated that the talks had irreversibly broken down and efforts to reach an agreement would be terminated.

This gave rise to two separate fan groups: the "Red-Whites", who support "Red Bull Salzburg" and the "Violet-Whites", who want to preserve the 72-year-old tradition and refuse to support the rebranded club. The Violet-Whites ultimately formed a new club, SV Austria Salzburg.

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We could sell our club to red bull and then basically they would set up a brand new club.

 

The problem with re-naming of the stadium, is who would want to sponsor a stadium that represents the past? It's only brand new, modern stadiums that attract naming rights, for obvious reasons. I am however in the firm ' sell the name of the stadium' camp if we can get good money for it.

fair do's i have been reading up abit more about Red Bull and they do tend to own things rather than sponsor, but my original thought was that we should be having a company of that size as a sponsor, i think thats what we should be aiming for, but thats where a sports business expert would come in and sort that sort of stuff out

[pax]

fair do's i have been reading up abit more about Red Bull and they do tend to own things rather than sponsor, but my original thought was that we should be having a company of that size as a sponsor, i think thats what we should be aiming for, but thats where a sports business expert would come in and sort that sort of stuff out

 

Strangely enough i know a person who would fit the bill.

 

Chief media advisor to Bobby Robson while he was Eng manager

Worked with FIFA to develop sponsorship and advertising deals for many years

Organised Euro 96 (got an OBE for it)

Lost only to Adam Crozier in the voting for Chief Exec of the FA

Was part of the winning Qatar 2022 World Cup bid, working directly for the royal family (all indoor air conditioned stadiums apparently that can be taken down and will be donated to other nations after the world cup)

Runs a sports consultancy company that sources sponsorship and advertising for all manner of sports events around the globe.

 

Trouble is he's a big Birmingham City fan

[pax]

Would have thought such a movement would be in your interest Pax - all being in the interest of knowing the facts.

 

Maybe you should set up a rival "The ostriches pride"

 

In fact - go on talk sport, ideal opportunity

 

I'm not the type to create time wasting, pointless little groups in order to promote fables and the made up i'm afraid. I'll leave that to the likes of you.

 

Just hit me, it's summer holidays isn't it. Explains a lot.

[Hafnia]

I'm not the type to create time wasting, pointless little groups in order to promote fables and the made up i'm afraid. I'll leave that to the likes of you.

 

Just hit me, it's summer holidays isn't it. Explains a lot.

 

Give you a clue by my user name, it was our shirt sponsor in the first season I watched everton, Surprised yours isn't danka to be honest...

[Hafnia]

http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/11-12/comment/editorial/18130.html

 

Another piece that hammers home the failures.

[pax]

Give you a clue by my user name, it was our shirt sponsor in the first season I watched everton, Surprised yours isn't danka to be honest...

 

That's not a clue. You had to explain to me why you thought it was clue, so by your own definition it's not a clue.

 

At least i give Everton a capital E.

 

Since i have joined this forum, you have offered nothing in the way of debate, nothing in the way of forward thinking, nothing of any interest what so ever and simply rely on spouting crap other people have already spouted and making jokes that have a mental age of about 3.

 

You are a huge waste of time and offer absolutely nothing. At least most of the others, despite disagreeing with me, have something to say for themselves and have managed to form their own opinions by themselves.

 

Bet you've been in a few cults in your time eh.

[pax]

http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/11-12/comment/editorial/18130.html

 

Another piece that hammers home the failures.

 

 

 

I ignored the insidious drivel that masqueraded as an original piece in the local press;

this all-too-predictable propaganda.

 

Wow, what journalism, what insight, what a load of hypercritical and ironic nonsense that will be lapped up by the intellectually challenged amongst us and touted as 'Another piece that hammers home the failures', when it should read 'the exact same piece that is full of the same old speculation guess work, fables and made up crap' .

[MikeO]

http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/11-12/comment/editorial/18130.html

 

Another piece that hammers home the failures.

Can you just let me know if there's anything new in there or is it the same old stuff trotted out again? Can't be arsed to read it if it is. Not disputing people's right to go along with the point of view but it seems to me that some are just competing to see who can put the same points in the most inflamatory language.

[Hafnia]

That's not a clue. You had to explain to me why you thought it was clue, so by your own definition it's not a clue.

 

At least i give Everton a capital E.

 

Since i have joined this forum, you have offered nothing in the way of debate, nothing in the way of forward thinking, nothing of any interest what so ever and simply rely on spouting crap other people have already spouted and making jokes that have a mental age of about 3.

 

You are a huge waste of time and offer absolutely nothing. At least most of the others, despite disagreeing with me, have something to say for themselves and have managed to form their own opinions by themselves.

 

Bet you've been in a few cults in your time eh.

 

I really can't be arsed using any means of checking what I have typed by using an iPhone. The majority of my posts come when doing as I am now and watching tv. The clue i was giving was a retort to your quip that I was on summer hols (hafnia being an early 80's sponsor)

 

I have had the fortune to exchange view and opinions with many on this site for a good few years, but have never come across anyone with your arrogance and blinkered point of view. Your main form of defence is to look for technicalities. This isn't a court room, you haven't impressed anyone with your "present facts" attitude, if anything you come across as a patronising, pedantic poster who takes an Adrian Durham stance in debate.

 

your essien at least 3 times better in everything than fellaini, or your quite ridiculous "show me everton transfers under moyes" suggests you much rather engage in heated exchanges rather than do any form of research yourself.

[Hafnia]

Can you just let me know if there's anything new in there or is it the same old stuff trotted out again? Can't be arsed to read it if it is. Not disputing people's right to go along with the point of view but it seems to me that some are just competing to see who can put the same points in the most inflamatory language.

 

Same old same old, with the updated 2011 version detailing everton place (park end debacle)

 

Thought I would introduce the link, given it's relevance to the title of the thread.

 

Be interesting to see someone counter the points and defend the performance of the chairman and board, they are there to be challenged after all.

Edited July 13, 2011 by Hafnia

[pax]

I really can't be arsed using any means of checking what I have typed by using an iPhone. The majority of my posts come when doing as I am now and watching tv. The clue i was giving was a retort to your quip that I was on summer hols (hafnia being an early 80's sponsor)

 

I have had the fortune to exchange view and opinions with many on this site for a good few years, but have never come across anyone with your arrogance and blinkered point of view. Your main form of defence is to look for technicalities. This isn't a court room, you haven't impressed anyone with your "present facts" attitude, if anything you come across as a patronising, pedantic poster who takes an Adrian Durham stance in debate.

 

your essien at least 3 times better in everything than fellaini, or your quite ridiculous "show me everton transfers under moyes" suggests you much rather engage in heated exchanges rather than do any form of research yourself.

 

Essien is at least 3 times better than Fellaini at pretty much everything. I think the majority of football fans and pundits would agree.

'Show me Everton transfers under Moyes' was simply a time saving exercise as i was pretty sure someone would have already done it. It's called using what brain cells one has. You should try it sometime, although i think trying to engage one brain cell is easier than multiple. Then again, you do seem to dissprove that time and time again.

 

Again you can't spell Everton with a capital E. You really need to check if you have spelt Everton correctly?

 

By saying i have blinkered views shows you are far too stupid to understand anything i have said on this forum. I am anything but blinkered. One more time, for the cheap seats and the stupid amongst us, i deal in facts, not speculation, guess work, fables and propaganda. I know this will fly right over your head as you haven't got the capacity to understand what i am saying.

 

I'm sure i do come across as patronising to you !

 

Pedantic? Dealing in the truth and what is known to have actually happened rather than speculation is pedantic?

 

You are a complete waste of time and i will now be seeking out the ignore feature to make sure i don't have to read anymore of your stupid, mindless drivel.

 

You are the perfect example of the 'supporter' this club could do without. Try actually SUPPORTING the club for a change instead of knocking it every chance you get. Oh and get your own opinion, stop copying and pasting someone else's. Show at least some capacity for independent thinking on your own behalf for gods sake.

[Hafnia]

Essien is at least 3 times better than Fellaini at pretty much everything. I think the majority of football fans and pundits would agree.

'Show me Everton transfers under Moyes' was simply a time saving exercise as i was pretty sure someone would have already done it. It's called using what brain cells one has. You should try it sometime, although i think trying to engage one brain cell is easier than multiple. Then again, you do seem to dissprove that time and time again.

 

Again you can't spell Everton with a capital E. You really need to check if you have spelt Everton correctly?

 

By saying i have blinkered views shows you are far too stupid to understand anything i have said on this forum. I am anything but blinkered. One more time, for the cheap seats and the stupid amongst us, i deal in facts, not speculation, guess work, fables and propaganda. I know this will fly right over your head as you haven't got the capacity to understand what i am saying.

 

I'm sure i do come across as patronising to you !

 

Pedantic? Dealing in the truth and what is known to have actually happened rather than speculation is pedantic?

 

You are a complete waste of time and i will now be seeking out the ignore feature to make sure i don't have to read anymore of your stupid, mindless drivel.

 

You are the perfect example of the 'supporter' this club could do without. Try actually SUPPORTING the club for a change instead of knocking it every chance you get. Oh and get your own opinion, stop copying and pasting someone else's. Show at least some capacity for independent thinking on your own behalf for gods sake.

 

Essien is at least three times better at "everything" the fellaini, them you again go on spouting the importance of facts.... Oh dear. Is essien 3 times stronger in the air than fellaini? Can you even back that up?

 

Dealing in the truth and knowing what's happened? Here's one for you, using the link I posted which is a considerable piece which someone has put together using research - discredit it point by point. If you can't do anything other than just spout the usual propaganda rubbish then don't waste my time.

 

I do support the club, that does not mean I have to support the people who are running it. The very fact I am challenging them is due to my love for the club.

 

Does independent thinking mean I should choose to ignore glowing errors, deteriorating state of the clubs finances and not concur with articles that fellow everton fans have constructed using well researched and unchallenged information?

 

If someone could present a case as to why the chairman and the board have not been responsible for the perilous state of our club I would happily read it. If you can dismiss kings dock, the money spent against the failed ntl deal, the lies that were the fortress fund, the waste of time that was kirby and tell me the culprits accountable I will gladly review my stance. Until then, the custodians of this club, the decision makers should be treated in the same manner any of us would be if we displayed such negligence in our jobs.