Louis Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2035712/Bill-Kenwright-exclusive-The-pain-pride-owner-Everton.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 ah, the dave hickson standing behind the goal stories are back. i still dont like that they just make out its because we havent bought players. i do find it strange that there isnt much from the journo just pretty much a printed interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I thought it was a decent artilcle and this bit stood out for me as being particularly true "When I got here, on the day the fixtures came out, every Evertonian I know looked at the last day of the season first. Who have we got to beat if we need to stay up? Now we look at the opening games. Can we get off to a flyer and have a go at winning something? So the club is going forward." As I have sadi before I am every bit as frustratsd as the next fan and I know he cant take us any further so something needs to change but for people like haf to just dismiiss everything that BK has done for the club is nothing short of ridiculous I know you will harp on about its DM whos to thank and not BK but I dont understand that argument one bit. Who appointed Moyes, who gave him the money to sign players, who signed off the players contracts to keep them here? I know you wil answer that by saying he stripped the club of all its assests but would you rather we still had all those assets and were lining up in League1 against Sheffield Wednesday today or would you rather we were skint but with a squad full of talented players and promising youngsters lining up against Villa in the Premiership? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I see your point dunc, but we may find ourselves in that situation anyway. If we do get relegated we won't be remembering the glory days of the last ten years. My opinion of the way the club is run now can only really change when this all comes to a conclusion. Which can only either be a buy out or administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I thought it was a decent artilcle and this bit stood out for me as being particularly true "When I got here, on the day the fixtures came out, every Evertonian I know looked at the last day of the season first. Who have we got to beat if we need to stay up? Now we look at the opening games. Can we get off to a flyer and have a go at winning something? So the club is going forward." As I have sadi before I am every bit as frustratsd as the next fan and I know he cant take us any further so something needs to change but for people like haf to just dismiiss everything that BK has done for the club is nothing short of ridiculous I know you will harp on about its DM whos to thank and not BK but I dont understand that argument one bit. Who appointed Moyes, who gave him the money to sign players, who signed off the players contracts to keep them here? I know you wil answer that by saying he stripped the club of all its assests but would you rather we still had all those assets and were lining up in League1 against Sheffield Wednesday today or would you rather we were skint but with a squad full of talented players and promising youngsters lining up against Villa in the Premiership? dont ever forget though, that Kenwright wanted Megson as manager, it was Smith who suggested Moyes, but BK has backed Moyes to an extent, so yes, thankful for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gzcon Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I still have faith in Kenwright. He's helped changed the club around from the days of relegation battles every year to a regular top 8 club. All with a serious lack of funds. The man wants to sell and in my opinion is the right man for the job. Blue Union need to back off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 most chairmen would have probably sacked him when he finished 17th... as for the point of us goin into admin with the wages we got rid of that won't happen now..i don't see how it could..and i'd almost put my life on us not gettin relegated cos there are far more than 3 teams who are worse than us..not sayin it's good enough i just don't see it as a worry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I still have faith in Kenwright. He's helped changed the club around from the days of relegation battles every year to a regular top 8 club. All with a serious lack of funds. The man wants to sell and in my opinion is the right man for the job. Blue Union need to back off. problem is man..he's been tryin so long..he can't be that much of a salesman can he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 dont ever forget though, that Kenwright wanted Megson as manager, it was Smith who suggested Moyes, but BK has backed Moyes to an extent, so yes, thankful for that who signed as manager in the end? who got the contract together when it needed reviewing? Why is Moyes still at the club? Dont care if Kenwright wanted Megson in the 1st place, he even admits in that interview that he had to learn. He took advice from someone else and made it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 dont ever forget though, that Kenwright wanted Megson as manager, it was Smith who suggested Moyes... That's a commonly trotted out "fact" but I've never seen/heard confirmation of it....is there any? Not being argumentative....really would like to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 askin for facts mike? you'll get accused of bein pax soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble Savage Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I see no real reassurance about January transfer kitty or anything new hear.I love Bill and I admire his passion but its time to thank him as he walks off into a blue sunset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 A fact I know and can't prove is that Lerner wanted us first villa second and west ham third. So when I hear all this nonsense of wanting to sell, I see the same as I did then, this is years back now. You've heard it before and I'm saying it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 how do you know if you can't prove?(not bein a dick) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 how do you know if you can't prove?(not bein a dick) Was told face to face by someone who was in the know. Face was white as a sheet - was told after it happened. This person I trust 100%. Not going into the details. It was posted on BBC website forum and removed within 20 minutes. On most recent releases "club for sale 3/4 years" it seems very appropriate. I thought we had always been for sale??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Was told face to face by someone who was in the know. Face was white as a sheet - was told after it happened. This person I trust 100%. Not going into the details. It was posted on BBC website forum and removed within 20 minutes. On most recent releases "club for sale 3/4 years" it seems very appropriate. I thought we had always been for sale??? ah that's fair enough if you can't share i understand yeah i didn't get elstone saying this..do these guys not speak to each other or summat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) ah that's fair enough if you can't share i understand yeah i didn't get elstone saying this..do these guys not speak to each other or summat? There's nothing worse than a fact being represented as flimsy as I have, but yes, Lerner was interested and knocked back. The reason I have been so anti-bill for some time is due to that. One of the reasons I track how Lerner is doing at villa and what he is doing. His right hand man general krulak was someone I had the pleasure of talking to. Absolutely awesome person, force of nature. Morally the most upstanding person I have ever met, outside my own family of course! Edited September 10, 2011 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 There's nothing worse than a fact being represented as flimsy as I have, but yes, Lerner was interested and knocked back. The reason I have been so anti-bill for some time is due to that. One of the reasons I track how Lerner is doing at villa and what he is doing. His right hand man general krulak was someone I had the pleasure of talking to. Absolutely awesome person, force of nature. Morally the most upstanding person I have ever met, outside my own family of course! i believe ya man you don't seem the type to make shit up as anti-bill as you may be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 dont ever forget though, that Kenwright wanted Megson as manager, it was Smith who suggested Moyes, but BK has backed Moyes to an extent, so yes, thankful for that And your point is??? The fact of the matter is he listened to the advice he was given an appointed Moyes. If he had offered the job to Megson first then fair enough you could then say he made a bad decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Whatever my thoughts of kenwright and most are damning, you can't take away moyes appointment. It was a decision that kept him as chairman for alot longer than he would have been otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 And your point is??? The fact of the matter is he listened to the advice he was given an appointed Moyes. If he had offered the job to Megson first then fair enough you could then say he made a bad decision my point is that BK has made some good decisions like taking the advice and signing Moyes, but its the rest thats let him down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 my point is that BK has made some good decisions like taking the advice and signing Moyes, but its the rest thats let him down Lol fair enough my apologies, I thought that you were trying to make out that Kenwright couldnt take any credit for appoining Moyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Lol fair enough my apologies, I thought that you were trying to make out that Kenwright couldnt take any credit for appoining Moyes not at all, i do think Bill needs to be applauded for the fact he took onboard the recommendations of an outgoing manager against his own judgment and made the appointment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Did anyone pick up on bills agm comments? I think he has verbal trotts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Just read another article one comment stuck out like a bulldogs bollocks: Financially, Everton are brave underdogs. Judge them by history, and they are fallen titans How true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 This is the article that proves he's lost his mind is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 This is the article that proves he's lost his mind is it? Certainly no more so than what we knew based on what was written (maybe Martin Samuel expressed personal opinion offline, or the rumour started from nothing), he is way way ott on the dreamy romance, I love everton, I really do, but I dont need to read about a chairman not claiming for phone calls etc. The article was ironically sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I dont think Kenwright seems to grasp the reason why the majority of sound Evertonians are pissed off with him and the board. I dont doubt he has always done what he feels is right for Everton in the short term and I understand and dont hold it against him that he hasnt got any money. My problem is that as a business model, we are fatally flawed (as Elstone alludes to in one of his interviews albeit with me paraphrasing and adding a touch of dramatism - ala BK!), we dont seem to have a plan to at least provide long term stability, there are clearly issues with how long the club has been for sale and the processes in which they have been trying to sell the club and with regards to BK especially, its the same bullshit rhetoric that he comes out with in interviews like this. I dont care about your stories Bill, I dont care if your 'trying' really hard to do this and that, I simply want to know what it is that you ARE doing to take this football club forward. Thats the bit we never hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I thought it was a good read. I'd rather be skint and get to a final at Wembley, than be super rich and win everything every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I dont think Kenwright seems to grasp the reason why the majority of sound Evertonians are pissed off with him and the board. I dont doubt he has always done what he feels is right for Everton in the short term and I understand and dont hold it against him that he hasnt got any money. My problem is that as a business model, we are fatally flawed (as Elstone alludes to in one of his interviews albeit with me paraphrasing and adding a touch of dramatism - ala BK!), we dont seem to have a plan to at least provide long term stability, there are clearly issues with how long the club has been for sale and the processes in which they have been trying to sell the club and with regards to BK especially, its the same bullshit rhetoric that he comes out with in interviews like this. I dont care about your stories Bill, I dont care if your 'trying' really hard to do this and that, I simply want to know what it is that you ARE doing to take this football club forward. Thats the bit we never hear. If you are prepared to knock on his door to highlight a problem, are you able to knock on his door with a solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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