Lowensda Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 As some of you know by now, we have enlisted the help of one Gareth Barry. I for one, am rather pleased with the signing, great feedback from City fans and professionals alike and I think he has the attributes that can help the development of both McCarthy and Barkley. However, the more and more I read into the transfer/loan deal, the more it's becoming concerning. I have read on several sites/papers (never the most reliable sources, I agree) that we are picking up his entire £120k-a-week wages. Now, I understand that may be what it takes to encourage a seasoned professional, at one of the biggest clubs in the land but where does that leave us going forward? If we do sign Baines to a new deal, does Barry's wages become the benchmark? If reports are true we have obliterated our wage structure, by at least £50k, nearly double what our highest earners are on. Will this cause us problems in the future, now that teams know we can pay that much or that players can demand that much? I am still hoping that we're not paying all of his wages, and that City are covering the vast majority, only leaking false information to the tabloids to not upset their own fanbase. I don't know, maybe just a small concern but it's one that could grow as time moves on. What is Baines realistic worth? What is he worth a week to Everton? Can we afford him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 As some of you know by now, we have enlisted the help of one Gareth Barry. I for one, am rather pleased with the signing, great feedback from City fans and professionals alike and I think he has the attributes that can help the development of both McCarthy and Barkley. However, the more and more I read into the transfer/loan deal, the more it's becoming concerning. I have read on several sites/papers (never the most reliable sources, I agree) that we are picking up his entire £120k-a-week wages. Now, I understand that may be what it takes to encourage a seasoned professional, at one of the biggest clubs in the land but where does that leave us going forward? If we do sign Baines to a new deal, does Barry's wages become the benchmark? If reports are true we have obliterated our wage structure, by at least £50k, nearly double what our highest earners are on. Will this cause us problems in the future, now that teams know we can pay that much or that players can demand that much? I am still hoping that we're not paying all of his wages, and that City are covering the vast majority, only leaking false information to the tabloids to not upset their own fanbase. I don't know, maybe just a small concern but it's one that could grow as time moves on. What is Baines realistic worth? What is he worth a week to Everton? Can we afford him... I think we will have created a way of making it 'non wages' - i.e pay Man city the 'loan fee' of £2.5m (which goes to Barry) and then he gets £50k a week or whatever makes up the difference. Probably come from the 'operating costs' line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 It does worry me as well if we are picking up all of his wages but I don't think Kenwright would be that stupid. I think you are right in saying City have fed something to their fan base to soften the blow as if they said yes we are picking up half of his wages and he is going free next season then a lot of fans wouldn't be happy. As they would be paying him to play at another club next season. Also I don't think Baines is the type of player to demand more money. Cake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 We can't afford to pay £120k a week wages. It's only because there was no loan fee and the sale of players has made money available to cover the costs. Presumably Everton officials would have preferred to be paying a lower amount - otherwise the deal would have been made earlier on the deadline day. Personally, I think that both clubs were haggling to get a good deal for themselves and as it got closer to 11pm, Everton relented. At around 10pm, there were no deals yet done, yet Dave Whelan was on the radio telling everyone that the McCarthy deal was off, adding to the pressure and the Lukaku deal was also done late at night. I mentioned it yesterday, the money brought in from the sale of Fellaini and Anichebe was enough to cover the cost of the transfer fees for Kone, Robles, McCarthy and there was enough left over to pay the wages for one year of Barry and Lukaku. There was also a bit of 'surplus' available to spend in the summer with wages as Neville, Hitzelsperger and Mucha being freed up. Now that Fellaini an Anichebe have been moved on, the total wages of our non-loanee players is likely to be lower than it was last year. I suspect that should Baines get a new contract, his wage increase will come from the wage budget that was previously allocated to Fellaini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I think Hafnia is correct. They cancel the loan fee and pick up 100% of the wages. So in a negotiation with other players they can say that they only pay x% of the wages as wages, rest as a signing on bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 there is not a chance in hell we would be paying 120k a week to gareth barry...just not going to happen Cake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I understand people not wanting to accept the idea of paying full wages, but that doesn't mean it's not happening? There may be things in place to soften it, but what do we know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 well if it turns out that we are then i will have lost a lot of hope this season...cos it would be one of the stupidest moves ever Cake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 It depends really. Say we have paid £2.5million as a 'bonus' rather than wages and he becomes instrumental in our team. We can then take him for free when his contract runs out ( I think he's in the last year?!) and he will be on much lower wages with him being a more senior player, say 50k for arguments sake. That means that really we have paid a £2.5m transfer fee for a player that might give us 3 seasons. I don't think that's too unreasonable? I guess the flip side is if he does shite then we've paid £2.5m for nothing....but it wouldn't be the first time us or any club in football has done that! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Liverpool Echo's Greg O'Keeffe reckons Man City are paying a contribution towards Barry's wages. Steve_E and Cake 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 That's a relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I heard we're only playing 25% of the wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I heard we're only playing 25% of the wage. If that's true then the we're only playing around 30,000. Not a bad deal at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzp7zy Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 I heard we're paying 30 quid a week and all the toffee mints he can eat. All happy now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 I heard we're paying 30 quid a week and all the toffee mints he can eat. All happy now? All the mints he can eat? BK OUT! :shaking fist: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 I think he could end up being a gem of a player for us, I really do. At 32 he's hardly at retirement age, he's never had pace, he looks after himself, a good clubman. We will probably give him a 2 year contract at the end of this year. Put it this way the Reds probably could have done with him, Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 He will certainly be a useful player for us but I wouldnt go any further than that tbh. I would happily be proven wrong though! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Im also of the thought that he is a great addition to the team...and will be solid while McCarthy and Barkley do their thing. Wages wise...really dont care about the ins and outs because we defo wont be paying 120k per week...it would have been structured to suit us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 The main thing is, the kid has experience. As well as being a recognized and usually dependable player that has been on the scene for the best part of a decade and a half now. I don't usually like to discuss players wages as it only serves to irritate, but for the benefit of this thread piece, it looks as though we're only be paying a percentage of the salary, but whoever picks up the amount - £120,000 is simply too much for that playing individual. Someone mentioned what is Baines worth to us. Prices in the game have become ludicrous, but if Fellaini has a departure price of 26 million as recently witnessed, then Baines deserves to go for 25, or possibly even 30. Wages a week ? Certainly nothing like the Barry figure we have talked about. How much a week is enough for an EPL player to 'survive on' - or sufficient even ? Baines, for all his attributes, doesn't need great amounts of cash each week - then again neither does any other player - £10,000 would seem too much for anybody, but I'm all at sea with damn prices, valuations and salaries often enough. All I can recognize, players are vastly overpaid in todays game for the most part, and then you got sponsorships and other commercial ventures just for good measure. Barry doesn't need, or doesn't justify £120,000 of anyone's cash, and neither does Baines for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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