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roony is an out n out blue you cant take that away from him i would take him back towards the end of his carreer when hes ready to play for his boyhood club providing hes good enough.

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Fuck the (mind my french) cunt.

 

"Tell us ya favourite goal Rooney boy"

 

Whoppers the EvertonTV muppets are. Live and move on.

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I've read an awful lot into the whole Rooney saga, the bottomline is that we needed to sell him to stay afloat, end of matter. Sure the lad has reacted badly at times which you would expect given the initial outpouring of anger over the deal, and the hatred he faced. I do feel that the club could have made it alot smoother by stating that he was going to be sold no matter what. The lad was a pawn, he wanted to play football and it was worked at a high level to cash in on him. Do not be under any illusions about that, he had just come back from almost single handedly running the show at the Euro's and we had no media plans to use him for the next season!

 

As if at the age of 18 he was greedy enough to demand a move for money, the lad had all he ever needed, a bit of dosh, a nice girlfriend, playing for his club. The club should have stated that he was sold because the money was the reason. He no doubt wants to play for the club again, he has almost satisfied his domestic need for medals. I know someone who works for the club at a decent level, at the time of the transfer he stated he thought Rooney would play for us again... I am starting to sense that.

 

End of the day, we were not in the right place to keep a talent like his, now?.... maybe, let's see what happpens with Rodwell.

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I've read an awful lot into the whole Rooney saga, the bottomline is that we needed to sell him to stay afloat, end of matter. Sure the lad has reacted badly at times which you would expect given the initial outpouring of anger over the deal, and the hatred he faced. I do feel that the club could have made it alot smoother by stating that he was going to be sold no matter what. The lad was a pawn, he wanted to play football and it was worked at a high level to cash in on him. Do not be under any illusions about that, he had just come back from almost single handedly running the show at the Euro's and we had no media plans to use him for the next season!

 

As if at the age of 18 he was greedy enough to demand a move for money, the lad had all he ever needed, a bit of dosh, a nice girlfriend, playing for his club. The club should have stated that he was sold because the money was the reason. He no doubt wants to play for the club again, he has almost satisfied his domestic need for medals. I know someone who works for the club at a decent level, at the time of the transfer he stated he thought Rooney would play for us again... I am starting to sense that.

 

End of the day, we were not in the right place to keep a talent like his, now?.... maybe, let's see what happpens with Rodwell.

 

 

I dont really know where to begin with disagreeing with you!

 

Rooney was sold because Rooney wanted to go end of. There was no undrehand plot by the board or Moyse to get rid of him, he was offered a very lucrative contract to stay that would have made him the best payed player in the clubs history .Moyse even went on record as saying he was a future captain of the club and that he wanted to build a side around him

 

I can understand why he wanted to go and to a certain extent I dont blame him but to say that he was a pawn is absurd and bordering on the ridiculous, in fact no it is ridiculous

 

The fact that it worked out well for the club is by the by,. the fact of the matter is he had his head turned at the Euros and he turned his back on the club. I did have sympathy for him but that all dissapereared the moment he kissed his United badge to taunt the Everton fans

 

I dont resent him for wanting to go on to bigger and better things, just like I dont resent Lescott, but to imply he is the victim is beyond belief

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I dont really know where to begin with disagreeing with you!

 

Rooney was sold because Rooney wanted to go end of. There was no undrehand plot by the board or Moyse to get rid of him, he was offered a very lucrative contract to stay that would have made him the best payed player in the clubs history .Moyse even went on record as saying he was a future captain of the club and that he wanted to build a side around him

 

I can understand why he wanted to go and to a certain extent I dont blame him but to say that he was a pawn is absurd and bordering on the ridiculous, in fact no it is ridiculous

 

The fact that it worked out well for the club is by the by,. the fact of the matter is he had his head turned at the Euros and he turned his back on the club. I did have sympathy for him but that all dissapereared the moment he kissed his United badge to taunt the Everton fans

 

I dont resent him for wanting to go on to bigger and better things, just like I dont resent Lescott, but to imply he is the victim is beyond belief

 

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It's probably a bit of both tbh. Rooney more than likely did have his head turned and demanded a move but the club were probably happy for the situation to arise because it solved a lot of their problems. So it benefitted both parties.

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I certainly wouldn't say he was a victim, but an easily manipulated pawn most definately, if we never sold Rooney what would have happened? It was clear that we were on the brink of administration and our one major asset was Rooney. Along with the Gary Speed saga this is something we would never get to the bottom of. To know that a staunch blue like Alan Stubbs remains to this day a close friend tells you all you need to know, would you remian a close friend to a team mate who displayed such lack of loyalty?

 

The anger and hurt I felt at the time was very much directed at Rooney, when you stand back and look at the money we got which effectively kept us afloat, was it realy Rooney wanting to go that did it? In the end I think he wanted to go, bit I believe it was initially started because the club needed him to go. Again this is a subject that will divide many fans, the sale of Rooney in my opinion was not an option, it had to happen. Just think if we got Kings Dock we would have likely been in a position to build a team around the lad. One day he will be back, I think he has probably had plenty of time to reflect and I feel that if he won something with the club he would enjoy that more than anything he has won before... maybe it's wishful thinking.

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Only thing I hold against Rooney nowadays is the badge kissing he did, was disrespectful to do it to the club you support and the club that brought you through. However he seems to have matured alot since then and I actually have abit or respect for him nowadays.

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No one be-grudges him leaving, he was always going to out grow us and the money came in handy, but it was the manner of his departure, like a rat deserting a sinking ship right on deadline day, leaving Moyes with no time t0 buy anyone.

 

Then, he has all this badge kissing antics and celebrating in front of the Gwladys street, if he had shown a bit of respect and humility then maybe the fans wouldn't give him so much stick but to behave like that (and slag Moyes off in the book) means that one little interivew on Evertontv won't get him back in Everton fans favour.

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I certainly wouldn't say he was a victim, but an easily manipulated pawn most definately, if we never sold Rooney what would have happened? It was clear that we were on the brink of administration and our one major asset was Rooney. Along with the Gary Speed saga this is something we would never get to the bottom of. To know that a staunch blue like Alan Stubbs remains to this day a close friend tells you all you need to know, would you remian a close friend to a team mate who displayed such lack of loyalty?

 

The anger and hurt I felt at the time was very much directed at Rooney, when you stand back and look at the money we got which effectively kept us afloat, was it realy Rooney wanting to go that did it? In the end I think he wanted to go, bit I believe it was initially started because the club needed him to go. Again this is a subject that will divide many fans, the sale of Rooney in my opinion was not an option, it had to happen. Just think if we got Kings Dock we would have likely been in a position to build a team around the lad. One day he will be back, I think he has probably had plenty of time to reflect and I feel that if he won something with the club he would enjoy that more than anything he has won before... maybe it's wishful thinking.

 

 

 

In what way was he manipulated and by who? He stamped his feet and ultimately got his own way

 

You are using the fact the the club benefited from the money to try and imply it was all a big ploy by the Board/Moyse and the poor lad was sent packing

 

HE WANTED OUT AND TURNED HIS BACK ON THE CLUB

 

I can understand him wanting to improve himself and wanting to go to a bigger club to achieve his ambitions but it was the manner in which he left that irks.

I feel he could have given the club at least one more season, he was just setting out on his career and had plenty of time ahead of him to make his fortune and win medals.

 

The fact he was prepared to sign for Newcastle indicates to me that it was more about money than trophies anyway.

 

If he had given the club a couple of years and then moved on ala the Torres/Atletico Madrid then I dont think anybody would have begrudged him his big money move and he would have more than likely got a good reception every time he returned to Goodison

 

He has never once acknowldged the start that Everton gave him and after his badge kissing antics at Goodison I have no sympathy for him at all he desrves all the flak he gets

 

At the end of the day he is just a fat scally who happens to be an exceptionally good footballer

 

It sickens me to the core that anybody would suggest he was used in anyway, he demanded to leave and due to player power he got his way it had absolutely nothing what so ever to do with any underhand ploy by Moyse or Bill Kenwright or anybody else for that matter ( except possibly his agent!)

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No one be-grudges him leaving, he was always going to out grow us and the money came in handy, but it was the manner of his departure, like a rat deserting a sinking ship right on deadline day, leaving Moyes with no time t0 buy anyone.

 

Then, he has all this badge kissing antics and celebrating in front of the Gwladys street, if he had shown a bit of respect and humility then maybe the fans wouldn't give him so much stick but to behave like that (and slag Moyes off in the book) means that one little interivew on Evertontv won't get him back in Everton fans favour.

 

Why was he always going to out grow us? Has Gerrard outgrown the shite? Did Shearer outgrow the toon? We're anything but a small club, if he loved us as much as he claimed he'd have at least stuck around for another two or three seasons, by which time he'd have found himself as the centrepeice of an established top-five Premiership side with one of the most respected managers in the country competing in Europe every year. He could have fulfilled all his ambitions with us, but he chose instant success and fortune at Manure over being the catalyst to taking us to top of the pile again, and if he'd done so, the most revered player in our history. i know which i'd have chosen if i were him.

 

What no one's mentioned is Stretford's role in his departure - Stretford is a despicable little weasel of a man, but he's clever and manipulative with it. He got to Rooney, and turned his head so he could line his own pockets - easy cash for a man like him when dealing with a star-struck 18 year old boy from an ordinary family from Croxteth.

 

And i don't believe the Rooney cash 'saved' us as a club - remember, quite a significant chunk of it got spent on the likes of Beattie, Johnson and Kroldrup, hardly the main players in getting us to where we are now.

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No one be-grudges him leaving, he was always going to out grow us and the money came in handy, but it was the manner of his departure, like a rat deserting a sinking ship right on deadline day, leaving Moyes with no time t0 buy anyone.

 

Then, he has all this badge kissing antics and celebrating in front of the Gwladys street, if he had shown a bit of respect and humility then maybe the fans wouldn't give him so much stick but to behave like that (and slag Moyes off in the book) means that one little interivew on Evertontv won't get him back in Everton fans favour.

 

you show me a teenage boy that wont react when almost 40,000 grown men taunt his evry touch of the ball, have die rooney die shouted at you, and painted on the walls of the stand. im 25, if someone gave me that much shit, id rub it in as much as i could when i shoved one right back at them.

 

the lad is still a blue, theres no denying that.

 

gary speed

wayne rooney

duncan ferguson

destination kirkby

they will all devide the fans, they always will.

 

I thought everton paid off a $10mil+ debt with it? Or is that speculation/wiki rubbish?

 

that is true. a loan was taken out for (i think) £10.4m six months before he was sold (the same ammount he was insured for apparently) and paid off the week he was sold.

speculates they wanted/needed to sell regardless, and the euros just bumped up the price.

can also add the rumour that BK asked his good friend Freddie Shappard to open the bidding for him to get the ball rolling, as united didnt want to buy him until the following year.

 

but we will never know.

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you show me a teenage boy that wont react when almost 40,000 grown men taunt his evry touch of the ball, have die rooney die shouted at you, and painted on the walls of the stand. im 25, if someone gave me that much shit, id rub it in as much as i could when i shoved one right back at them.

 

the lad is still a blue, theres no denying that.

 

gary speed

wayne rooney

duncan ferguson

destination kirkby

they will all devide the fans, they always will.

 

 

 

that is true. a loan was taken out for (i think) £10.4m six months before he was sold (the same ammount he was insured for apparently) and paid off the week he was sold.

speculates they wanted/needed to sell regardless, and the euros just bumped up the price.

can also add the rumour that BK asked his good friend Freddie Shappard to open the bidding for him to get the ball rolling, as united didnt want to buy him until the following year.

 

but we will never know.

 

 

I agree that he is a blue at heart but that doesnt detract from the fact that he shat on the club from a great height

 

I havent even got a problem with Wayne Rooney , I always want him to do well for England and I even like to see him do well for United ( mainly because it normally means bad news for The Shite!) But what I do have a problem with is people trying to make out he was hard done by when Kenwright/Moyse packed his bags and frog marched him out of Goodison and down the M1 ooops I mean M62 to Man Utd

 

FACT

 

Rooney was desperate to leave hense his transfer request and infamous phone call to

Bill Kenwright

 

FICTION/CONSPIRACY THEORY/RUMOUR

 

The club was about to fold if we dint sell

 

BK paid Paul Mckenna to hypnotise Rooney so he would put in a written transfer request

 

Kenwright was discussing a dodgy deal with Freddie Sheppard while they were behind the fence on a grassy knoll waiting for JFK to turn up

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I agree dunc, although I don't wish Rooney well whatsoever unless it benefits the blues. I'd quite happily see him win nothing for the rest of his career, he's a tit. All this crap about how he's still a blue - I find this hard to believe after how he acted both on and off the pitch. I know plenty of 18 year old boys who wouldn't have rubbed Evertonian's fans faces in it. A lot of fans don't despise him because he left, it's how he badmouthed Moyes/club after he left and how he has acted on the pitch against us. He started the bad feeling, it wasn't the other way around.

 

Oh and I also agree that rumours aren't fact, they're usually just total nonsence. Nice post.

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If Rooneys children are brought up as Evertonians, as he's suggested (apparently)....then I'll be happy.

 

If Rooney returns to Everton in some capacity, maybe even investing what could be a chunk of a massive personal fortune, then I'll be happy.

 

A lot of Everton fans think if they had been in his shoes, they would have stayed at Everton......easy to say that.He (Rooney) had to do what he thought was right at the time and at 17 he's hardly ready for those big decisions.... but he left, Everton improved (came 4th), he made loads more money and won medals.....right decision then?

 

Good luck to him.......I'd like him back.

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I agree that he is a blue at heart but that doesnt detract from the fact that he shat on the club from a great height

 

I havent even got a problem with Wayne Rooney , I always want him to do well for England and I even like to see him do well for United ( mainly because it normally means bad news for The Shite!) But what I do have a problem with is people trying to make out he was hard done by when Kenwright/Moyse packed his bags and frog marched him out of Goodison and down the M1 ooops I mean M62 to Man Utd

 

FACT

 

Rooney was desperate to leave hense his transfer request and infamous phone call to

Bill Kenwright

 

FICTION/CONSPIRACY THEORY/RUMOUR

 

The club was about to fold if we dint sell

 

BK paid Paul Mckenna to hypnotise Rooney so he would put in a written transfer request

 

Kenwright was discussing a dodgy deal with Freddie Sheppard while they were behind the fence on a grassy knoll waiting for JFK to turn up

 

you are entitled to your opinion, but dont state opinion as fact.

How he shat on us i have no idea. Sometimes grown men amuse me with their childish ideas when it comes to football. I love everton as much as i know is possible, but for adults to hold a grudge against what was a kid just confuses me. In the end, if rooney is the anti christ some make out, well he won, he won big time!

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Why was he always going to out grow us? Has Gerrard outgrown the shite? Did Shearer outgrow the toon? We're anything but a small club, if he loved us as much as he claimed he'd have at least stuck around for another two or three seasons, by which time he'd have found himself as the centrepeice of an established top-five Premiership side with one of the most respected managers in the country competing in Europe every year. He could have fulfilled all his ambitions with us, but he chose instant success and fortune at Manure over being the catalyst to taking us to top of the pile again, and if he'd done so, the most revered player in our history. i know which i'd have chosen if i were him.

 

What no one's mentioned is Stretford's role in his departure - Stretford is a despicable little weasel of a man, but he's clever and manipulative with it. He got to Rooney, and turned his head so he could line his own pockets - easy cash for a man like him when dealing with a star-struck 18 year old boy from an ordinary family from Croxteth.

 

And i don't believe the Rooney cash 'saved' us as a club - remember, quite a significant chunk of it got spent on the likes of Beattie, Johnson and Kroldrup, hardly the main players in getting us to where we are now.

 

Good post Nogs totally agree mate

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I don't see how anybody can hold up Alan Shearer as an example, They didn't give him a contract when he was a youngster, he spent 5 years at Southampton, and 4 years at Blackburn before Newcastle took him on. ;)

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you are entitled to your opinion, but dont state opinion as fact.

How he shat on us i have no idea. Sometimes grown men amuse me with their childish ideas when it comes to football. I love everton as much as i know is possible, but for adults to hold a grudge against what was a kid just confuses me. In the end, if rooney is the anti christ some make out, well he won, he won big time!

 

 

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Are you for real??

 

It is not my opinion that Rooney put in a transfer request nor is it my opinion that he made an emotional phone call to Kenwright begging him to let him leave they are well documented facts

 

If you had bothered to read my posts I dont hold a grudge against Rooney what pisses me off is people trying to make out he was a"pawn" in the whole saga or that he was forced out in any way

 

The reason I say he shat on the club was because he led everybody on pretending that he was going to sign a new contract and that he was ahappy at the club ( Oncea blue always a blue-- remember that?) then with less than right at the end of the transfer window he forces through a move leaving Moyse no time to rebuild his side

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:blink:

 

Are you for real??

 

It is not my opinion that Rooney put in a transfer request nor is it my opinion that he made an emotional phone call to Kenwright begging him to let him leave they are well documented facts

 

If you had bothered to read my posts I dont hold a grudge against Rooney what pisses me off is people trying to make out he was a"pawn" in the whole saga or that he was forced out in any way

 

The reason I say he shat on the club was because he led everybody on pretending that he was going to sign a new contract and that he was ahappy at the club ( Oncea blue always a blue-- remember that?) then with less than right at the end of the transfer window he forces through a move leaving Moyse no time to rebuild his side

dunc, it seems you take as fact what you choose to believe. Look at the minutes from the 2004 agm. We paid stretford 1.5m when rooney was sold. Interesting transcript showing the verbal beating that kenwright got from someone clued up on what happened. Stretford claimed he was told 4 months prior to rooney being sold that he was instructed to find a buyer. Bill was challenged to sue him if this was incorrect, did this happen? That's not opinion. You can find it on scribed. Did rooney want to leave? Whatever. Would it have made any difference? No. We are fans of a football club that happens to have been a very badly run business, rooney being sold was the only option at the time. In years gone by since, we have no real assets. I admire your passion, unfortunately that does not make you right.

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Are you for real??

 

It is not my opinion that Rooney put in a transfer request nor is it my opinion that he made an emotional phone call to Kenwright begging him to let him leave they are well documented facts

If you had bothered to read my posts I dont hold a grudge against Rooney what pisses me off is people trying to make out he was a"pawn" in the whole saga or that he was forced out in any way

 

The reason I say he shat on the club was because he led everybody on pretending that he was going to sign a new contract and that he was ahappy at the club ( Oncea blue always a blue-- remember that?) then with less than right at the end of the transfer window he forces through a move leaving Moyse no time to rebuild his side

 

they arent facts they are rumour and conjecture.

 

im sure it was all his idea to leave it until the last day of the window. im sure it was also his idea that we couldnt spend the money too.

 

none of us know for certain if he was pushed or jumped. only however its been spun from both sides.

this isnt a conversation worth having in my opinion so i'll jst leave it here.

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they arent facts they are rumour and conjecture. im sure it was all his idea to leave it until the last day of the window. im sure it was also his idea that we couldnt spend the money too.

 

none of us know for certain if he was pushed or jumped. only however its been spun from both sides.

this isnt a conversation worth having in my opinion so i'll jst leave it here.

 

 

So are you saying that Rooney didnt put in a transfer request?

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/3592494.stm

 

"Both United and Newcastle are fighting it out for the 18-year-old who handed in a transfer request on Friday. "

 

http://manchesterunited.y2u.co.uk/MU23_Wayne_Rooney.htm

 

"Rooney first appeared for Everton in the youth team, and during his time there, after scoring a wonder-goal in the FA Youth Cup, he revealed a T-shirt under his jersey that read "Once a blue, Always a blue". [2] However, he would end up playing just two seasons in the Everton first team before demanding, and then executing, a transfer"

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-315751/Moyes-gets-tough-Rooney-request.html

 

"The Everton boss was reacting in the wake of Rooney's transfer request today which heightens the prospect of him joining Manchester United or Newcastle

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-315751/Moyes-gets-tough-Rooney-request.html

 

"The Everton boss was reacting in the wake of Rooney's transfer request today which heightens the prospect of him joining Manchester United or Newcastle"

 

Or are you saying Rooney was never on the phone to Kenwright?

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/23/everton-fa-cup-final-bill-kenwright-interview

 

 

"In his time, Kenwright has been accused by fans of forcing Wayne Rooney out ("even though I'd had the lad in tears on the phone, ­pleading with me to let him go")"

 

 

Now you may be of the opinion that BK is a liar and is making the entire phone call up but a first hand account of an event is proof enough for me. Rooney has never denied it by the way

 

Rooney even goes into the reasons why he put in a transfer request in his autobiography so I would say that was fact

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Not going to agree or disagree with anybody on this, but a little bird once told me they wanted Rooney to sign a contract (the best in the clubs history) but would let him leave in the next window, thinking it would get them a higher fee. Rooney wanted to go right away knowing he could get twice as much at United plus the fact they were playing Champs League and Sitting top of the prem League. :unsure:

I think that's a good enough excuse to want to go, when United come calling nobody turns them down.

 

I don't like him as a person but he's a top class footballer.

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So are you saying that Rooney didnt put in a transfer request?

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/3592494.stm

 

"Both United and Newcastle are fighting it out for the 18-year-old who handed in a transfer request on Friday. "

 

http://manchesterunited.y2u.co.uk/MU23_Wayne_Rooney.htm

 

"Rooney first appeared for Everton in the youth team, and during his time there, after scoring a wonder-goal in the FA Youth Cup, he revealed a T-shirt under his jersey that read "Once a blue, Always a blue". [2] However, he would end up playing just two seasons in the Everton first team before demanding, and then executing, a transfer"

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-315751/Moyes-gets-tough-Rooney-request.html

 

"The Everton boss was reacting in the wake of Rooney's transfer request today which heightens the prospect of him joining Manchester United or Newcastle

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-315751/Moyes-gets-tough-Rooney-request.html

 

"The Everton boss was reacting in the wake of Rooney's transfer request today which heightens the prospect of him joining Manchester United or Newcastle"

 

Or are you saying Rooney was never on the phone to Kenwright?

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/23/everton-fa-cup-final-bill-kenwright-interview

 

 

"In his time, Kenwright has been accused by fans of forcing Wayne Rooney out ("even though I'd had the lad in tears on the phone, ­pleading with me to let him go")"

 

 

Now you may be of the opinion that BK is a liar and is making the entire phone call up but a first hand account of an event is proof enough for me. Rooney has never denied it by the way

 

Rooney even goes into the reasons why he put in a transfer request in his autobiography so I would say that was fact

 

 

You don't need to have an inquisitive mind to realise that the club had an extremely strong motive 1. To sell Rooney - given the dire financial position we we in and 2. To ensure it is covered up as best as possible to avoid what would have been a revolt ala Fiorentine re Batistuta sale and what would potentially happen in Athletico if Aguero is sold.

 

Sure some could have been orchestrated by Rooney, but to hold Rooney solely accountable is very short sighted. We had borrowed £10m to keep administrators away from Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander, which was paid back with the Rooney money. Was the sale of Rooney needed? Well put it this way look at Victor Moses at Crystal Palace now, a player worth at least £5m plus is going to be sold by the administrators for £1.25m in what is classed as a fire sale - what would Rooney have gone for £8m, £10m? with a 10 point reduction?

 

 

Rooney had 2 years on his contract, would never turn up to a game and give less than 100%, we knew he was world class and was going to get better, why did we sell? He couldn't force the sale? He was contracted to us, was he going to sit and rot in the reserves and play in front of 500 fans a week?

 

Hardly work for a conspiracy theorist.

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Hardly work for a conspiracy theorist.

But when you talk of the board covering up that's what it is...a conspiracy theory pure and simple. So you choose to buy into it or you choose not to.

 

Entrenched views..."conspirators" v "apologists." :P . No point taking it further for me....but carry on if you like :jerry: .

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You don't need to have an inquisitive mind to realise that the club had an extremely strong motive 1. To sell Rooney - given the dire financial position we we in and 2. To ensure it is covered up as best as possible to avoid what would have been a revolt ala Fiorentine re Batistuta sale and what would potentially happen in Athletico if Aguero is sold.

 

Sure some could have been orchestrated by Rooney, but to hold Rooney solely accountable is very short sighted. We had borrowed £10m to keep administrators away from Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander, which was paid back with the Rooney money. Was the sale of Rooney needed? Well put it this way look at Victor Moses at Crystal Palace now, a player worth at least £5m plus is going to be sold by the administrators for £1.25m in what is classed as a fire sale - what would Rooney have gone for £8m, £10m? with a 10 point reduction?

 

 

Rooney had 2 years on his contract, would never turn up to a game and give less than 100%, we knew he was world class and was going to get better, why did we sell? He couldn't force the sale? He was contracted to us, was he going to sit and rot in the reserves and play in front of 500 fans a week?

 

Hardly work for a conspiracy theorist.

 

 

It may seem short sighted in your opinion but either way I was arguing more against people saying that he was a pawn and was forced out of the club

 

Really , so we managed to keep Lescott then and obviously the Board wanted Barmby to join the Shite? You calim I am short sighted for beleiving that Rooney wanted to go, even though he has just admitted it again on Evertontv, but you cant see that players have all the power these days and that if they want a move invariably they get thier own way

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It may seem short sighted in your opinion but either way I was arguing more against people saying that he was a pawn and was forced out of the club

 

Really , so we managed to keep Lescott then and obviously the Board wanted Barmby to join the Shite? You calim I am short sighted for beleiving that Rooney wanted to go, even though he has just admitted it again on Evertontv, but you cant see that players have all the power these days and that if they want a move invariably they get thier own way

 

I discussed this with someone yesterday, unless we go back to the days when players share buses with the fans, have mortgages, need to take up physiotherapy after their careers then ultimately player power will rule. Look at Birmingham, those players are fighting for new contracts and their performances have been great because of it.

 

We will never know what goes on behind the scenes, but I guess the question I need to ask myself is 'do I believe the chairman and the board are honest with the fans' - the answer I am afraid is no. The sale of Rooney will always be one of the great unanswered questions.

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i think these interviews are nicely time couple of weeks before we play them.

 

Has sir alex advised rooney to do these interviews so the crowd are not on his back as much.

 

sir alex knows if the everton fans gets on rooneys back he will have to take him off or he will be sent off.

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I discussed this with someone yesterday, unless we go back to the days when players share buses with the fans, have mortgages, need to take up physiotherapy after their careers then ultimately player power will rule. Look at Birmingham, those players are fighting for new contracts and their performances have been great because of it.

 

We will never know what goes on behind the scenes, but I guess the question I need to ask myself is 'do I believe the chairman and the board are honest with the fans' - the answer I am afraid is no. The sale of Rooney will always be one of the great unanswered questions.

 

 

Well if you dont believe Kenwright, The Board, David Moyes or the press try believing Rooney himself who has admitted umpteen times and has just reiterated it again on Evertontv that he asked to leave

 

For me the only mystery surrounding this deal is why so many people seem to think Rooney was forced out

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For me the only mystery surrounding this deal is why so many people seem to think Rooney was forced out

because some people find the truth too hard to take and it makes them feel better to blame the board rather than the player. He's such an Everton fan that he was at the after match celebration with the Chelsea players following their FA Cup win against us. My attitude has soften slightly towards him following his recent comments but seriously, he's treated us like garbage ever since he left until now. I have no real bitterness towards Rooney, he was pretty much useless for us anyway and we got a great deal for him which revived our fortunes as a club. I'm glad Kenwright sold him, one of the best decisions he ever made, probably second only to appointing Moyes.

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I discussed this with someone yesterday, unless we go back to the days when players share buses with the fans, have mortgages, need to take up physiotherapy after their careers then ultimately player power will rule. Look at Birmingham, those players are fighting for new contracts and their performances have been great because of it.

 

We will never know what goes on behind the scenes, but I guess the question I need to ask myself is 'do I believe the chairman and the board are honest with the fans' - the answer I am afraid is no. The sale of Rooney will always be one of the great unanswered questions.

 

I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, but I can easily imagine that when he (Rooney) heard about Utd's interest he asked to leave (or at least was interested in talking to them) - to become a better footballer, playing Champs League, playing with world class players and winning medals and trophies, what footballer doesn't want that. I can also believe that Moyes didn't want him to go, of course, why would he, but then Moyes was still rather new to the job at the time, and I can believe that Kenwright had a little word in his ear and said, "Listen Moyesy lad, we need to sell him to sort out the club's financial 'crisis'(I use this word loosely), sorry."

 

Whether that is anywhere near the truth of the matter, I couldn't care less. We've done well without, and we'll continue to do so. If it was a choice between Moyes and Rooney, I'd take Moyes any day of the week.

 

All those arguments aside, if Rooney wanted to come back to Everton, would you have him?

 

Yeah, of course, did you not see him on Sunday? ;)

 

If he was still in his prime yes without a doubt.

 

If its when he is passed it and at the end of his career probably not

 

That's most likely when (if at all) he will come back. I think we may just be witnessing Rooney in his prime now. The worst thing I'd like to see though, is an aging, fat, slow used-to-be, kissing his badge on Saturday afternoons.

 

+1.

 

No one can deny that it transformed our fortunes.

 

Relegation strugglers to European regulars.

 

I would perhaps concede that it helped in a financial aspect maybe, but in the main I would say the major factor in that "transformation" would be the manager and what he has done and brings to the club.

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I can't see how any team can be better off without one of the best players in the world. We became a better team because the sale of rooney to united arguably gave us money, a great leader in neville, and a top class goal keeper. Of course such a sale creates siege mentality also. Does anyone honestly believe that rooney in our side over the last two years would not have made us achieve champions league? If we made improvements to the team without rooney being sold we would be in a far stronger position. But hey, that brings me back to the fact, we needed to sell rooney to survive, he had two years left on his contract, not six months. We were under no risk to sell in terms of loss of value. That to me says it's more than just rooney wanting to leave. Every club in europe would have wanted him united were the first and we sold him to them on the drip, why? Cos we were desperate. It was not a great deal, for someone with potential alone maybe, but he had just single handedly carried englands hopes in the euro's.

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I can't see how any team can be better off without one of the best players in the world. We became a better team because the sale of rooney to united arguably gave us money, a great leader in neville, and a top class goal keeper. Of course such a sale creates siege mentality also. Does anyone honestly believe that rooney in our side over the last two years would not have made us achieve champions league? If we made improvements to the team without rooney being sold we would be in a far stronger position. But hey, that brings me back to the fact, we needed to sell rooney to survive, he had two years left on his contract, not six months. We were under no risk to sell in terms of loss of value. That to me says it's more than just rooney wanting to leave. Every club in europe would have wanted him united were the first and we sold him to them on the drip, why? Cos we were desperate. It was not a great deal, for someone with potential alone maybe, but he had just single handedly carried englands hopes in the euro's.

What does on the drip mean? cheap? I still can't believe anyone can moan about the deal, we got £20m up front, possibly rising to £30m for a player who had done nothing for Everton the season before (except look frustrated) and helped us finish to our lowest points total in something like 40 years (if my memory serves me correct). True, he had a very good Euro tournament for England but Baros also had a very good tournament for Czech Republic (in fact an even better tournament than Rooney) and he wasn't being sold for £20-30m. Kenwright has consistently brokered fantastic deals for this club - Jeffers, Ball, Barmby, McFadden, Lescott & Rooney yet some people still moan about it. Get a grip.

 

If we had Rooney now we would no doubt be a much better team but if to get Rooney we had to sell £20-30m of players we have bought (in transfer fees) ie Arteta, Cahill, Howard, Jags, Pienaar, Neville etc, then we'd be an infinitely worse team. I would suggest that Kenwright got the aforementioned players 'on the drip' rather than the other way round. Give him some credit.

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I agree with Carl, i think that post puts the whole Rooney saga in a nutshell.

If we hadnt sold we wouldnt have the team we have today, would probably have been relegated and he would have left anyway. Good post Carl.

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Ten million up front. Rest of payments were installments and based on uniteds success. Given that chelsea had just spent 30 million on essien it hardly suggests we should have snapped their hands off. To compare rooneys euro campaign to baros is outrageous. Rooney single handedly took the game to one of the best teams in the world in france, at times overshadowing zidane drawing superlatives from thierry henry, with gerrard claiming he was the best player in europe. He didn't mention baros funny enough, his liverpool team mate. Sure, let's give bill praise for selling our assets, he's had plenty of practice.

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...gerrard claiming he was the best player in europe. He didn't mention baros funny enough, his liverpool team mate.

When he said that (two days before the Portugal game) Rooney was his team-mate, not Baros, and he was talking up England's chances. Why would he mention Baros?

 

(Personally can't remember what sort of tournament Baros had, just putting the comment in context)

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When he said that (two days before the Portugal game) Rooney was his team-mate, not Baros, and he was talking up England's chances. Why would he mention Baros?

 

(Personally can't remember what sort of tournament Baros had, just putting the comment in context)

From memory, Baros was at least joint top scorer in the competition, scored some fantastic goals and the Czech Republic did a lot better than England. Rooney did play very well in the Euro's, no doubting that, but he was a young kid who had just endured a very poor (in and out of team) season for his club. If we had have kept him and he had endured another pretty awful season at Everton then his value would have been nearer £10-15m than £20-30m. We had a poor team, Rooney was getting no space, he was on the wing a fair bit and getting more and more frustrated - I can't see any reason why his value would have gone up if we didn't cash in then. We all knew he had talent but for Everton, he was less effective than £2.5m Cahill.

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Baros scored one more goal than rooney. Played more games and two of his goals were against a poor latvian team. Let's not even start comparing the attributes of baros to rooney it's almost like comparing kevin kilbane to pienaar. Rooney was being doubled up on in our team, which if we had players to complement him would have given us more space to exploit. It has gone full circle undoubtedly, his talent has gone to help united win a host of trophys, we never had the financial status to hold on to him, nor the players to complement him. Whatever part he played in leaving you can certainly be sure the dire finances of the club meant it had to happen. If there was ever a sure thing in terms of an 18 year old set to become a world class player it was him. Was anyone surprised when they seen his hattrick debut, goal against newcastle, double against middlesboro? No. That's why selling him with two years left made no sense.

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Why do people insist on reading more in to this than there is?

 

What more do people want Rooney has been all over the press again this week saying that he wanted to leave and he has said it many times before. He has said it , Moyse has said it , Kenwright has said it, Rooneys agent has said it. Its has been widely reported by just about every media outlet in the UK and still the conspiracy theorists are having none of it.

 

He wanted to go he was not forced out, it has worked out better for all parties because undoubtedly the money has helped Everton ( I wouldnt go as far as to say it saved us) Rooney is better off and Man Utd are certainly better off

 

He is a world class player but he is Uniteds world class player so can we please forget about him now and move on!

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He is a world class player but he is Uniteds world class player so can we please forget about him now and move on!

 

the oldest TT phrase - agree to disagree.

if this thread is stopping you moving on, stop reading and posting it. simple.

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the oldest TT phrase - agree to disagree.

if this thread is stopping you moving on, stop reading and posting it. simple.

 

 

Your right I am flogging a dead horse.

 

If I could produce the actual written transfer request some people would claim that Kenwright & Moyse were holding Coleen hostage and threatening to behead her if he didnt sign it

 

 

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