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Yes the problem is because he is Bristish/Irish his price is 5 mill higher than he is actually worth. He has bags of talent but yet to prove it at this level. I would like to see him come in but not at the expense of Fellaini a midfield of Fellaini, Gibbo and McCarthy sounds good to me.

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£10 mil will probs be the priceLooking at recent transfers within the league (plus Wolves who have a good financial position so was more the player pushing for a move). Jarvis 8, Fletcher 12, Long 8, Johnson 10, Dembele 16, Moses 10, Allen 16, and Adam 6. Pienaar and Dempsey's transfer fees are massive considering their age and that one wasn't wanted and the other only had a year left on his contract. Only transfers of value last season were Rodwell, Berba, Bassong, and Richardson. Only going to become more absurd as the new tv deal kicks in soon as well.

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£10 mil will probs be the priceLooking at recent transfers within the league (plus Wolves who have a good financial position so was more the player pushing for a move). Jarvis 8, Fletcher 12, Long 8, Johnson 10, Dembele 16, Moses 10, Allen 16, and Adam 6. Pienaar and Dempsey's transfer fees are massive considering their age and that one wasn't wanted and the other only had a year left on his contract. Only transfers of value last season were Rodwell, Berba, Bassong, and Richardson. Only going to become more absurd as the new tv deal kicks in soon as well.

 

True but if thats the case then its too much for us. We can afford to spend £10mil on a 'decent' player, especially with Moyes' record on player acquisitions.

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True but if thats the case then its too much for us. We can afford to spend £10mil on a 'decent' player, especially with Moyes' record on player acquisitions.

If/when we sell Fellaini. I'd say McCarthy is more than decent, he would get in our starting eleven as it stands. Only way to get a reasonable price now is to target clubs in unsustainable debt or in weaker leagues.

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I really rate the lad and £8 - 10 mill is a fair price on the english market and in my eyes he is better than Ramsey, Jack and Joe Allen. im not saying he is better value than players playing in foriegn leagues and if Davey goes for him he is a better judge than i

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Top player, totally different to Felli but would be a great signing,he would be the long term holding player, maybe play Mirallas behind Jelly and get a good right winger?

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Would love to see him join Martinez next season but only if he's going to cost closer to the £10m mark or less than the £15m price tag being mentioned... I do think for £15m and above we can go for a couple of foreigners who will do just as good a job (maybe a bit more high risk high payout) if not better.

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If Martinez blows 15m on 'any' player, I'll take a proverbial baseball bat and beat some sense into him.

 

We have a lot of positions that need filling, not just one or two.

 

I think we can do this if we sell Felli. I would say £10m is a fair price. Like the look of him as a player, very dynamic, intelligent, disciplined.

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To be honest, if we are still interested in Fer (and we better be... have you seen him at the U21s?), I'd rather spend the 8mil or so on him than the extra few on McCarthy. McCarthy can pass, sure. Fer is physical, has pace, can pass, and scores goals. Looks a better player for a good deal less money.

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To be honest, if we are still interested in Fer (and we better be... have you seen him at the U21s?), I'd rather spend the 8mil or so on him than the extra few on McCarthy. McCarthy can pass, sure. Fer is physical, has pace, can pass, and scores goals. Looks a better player for a good deal less money.

Spot on mate, I would like eithier of them to be honest but I wouldnt spend anymore than £5-8 million on Mccarthy. Fer seems like a better player anyway.

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I'd rather have McCarthy than Fer. I liked Fer as a Moyes signing: big and powerful guy to run box-to-box. He would have fit in what we did. Martinez will likely set out to play a different way. We don't know what formation he will look to set up in, but we can assume it will be one with an intent to pass it along the deck, which McCarthy would fit much better. If we play 4-3-3 with one holding midfielder, a 'left midfielder' and a 'right midfielder' (which I sorta hope we'll do) he could play any of the positions in the midfield triangle.

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Am I missing something about Fer? He failed a physical the last time around because of a potentially gammy knee. What's changed?

He did not fail a medical, the club picked up he potentially might have a glass knee so wanted to restructure payments so if his knee went we wouldnt have to pay the full fee etc. But he looks just fine to me from watching the Euro's under 21.

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He's a more mobile, less injury-prone Darron Gibson for me, just 22 as well. He'd be very welcome, but not for silly money (£10m).

 

Yeh I agree, although I would also add that he is much better defensively. For the right price he would be a very good signing.

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I'm not sure where McCarthy fits into our team as it stands tbh. He seems a bit too similar to Gibson, albeit with quite a bit more pace, to play in a deeper midfield role. And I'd rather develop Barkley, with assistance from Osman, in an advanced midfield role.

 

Looks a good little player for whoever he ends up at though and looks ready to take the next step in his development at a bigger club.

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I'd rather have McCarthy than Fer. I liked Fer as a Moyes signing: big and powerful guy to run box-to-box. He would have fit in what we did. Martinez will likely set out to play a different way. We don't know what formation he will look to set up in, but we can assume it will be one with an intent to pass it along the deck, which McCarthy would fit much better. If we play 4-3-3 with one holding midfielder, a 'left midfielder' and a 'right midfielder' (which I sorta hope we'll do) he could play any of the positions in the midfield triangle.

Martinez did have Diame at Wigan remember! i dont think he is averse to a battling box to box midfielder, in fact, losing him was probably one factor in them going down, they missed his mobility and steel.

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I'm not sure where McCarthy fits into our team as it stands tbh. He seems a bit too similar to Gibson, albeit with quite a bit more pace, to play in a deeper midfield role. And I'd rather develop Barkley, with assistance from Osman, in an advanced midfield role.

 

Looks a good little player for whoever he ends up at though and looks ready to take the next step in his development at a bigger club.

 

McCarthy could play in the middle with Gibson and Fellaini. No reason why three intelligent footballers couldn't work it all out.

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McCarthy could play in the middle with Gibson and Fellaini. No reason why three intelligent footballers couldn't work it all out.

 

It's just going to hinder Barkley's development though. I reckon young Ross would be more suited than McCarthy to the advanced position anyone would have to play next to Fellaini and Gibson too. Money can be better spent else where IMO.

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It's just going to hinder Barkley's development though. I reckon young Ross would be more suited than McCarthy to the advanced position anyone would have to play next to Fellaini and Gibson too. Money can be better spent else where IMO.

 

McCarthy is a box to box midfielder the same as Gibson. For me they would make a tremendous pairing, Barkley is an attacking midfielder who should be played in an advanced position (like Maloney is for Wigan). I think it's pretty much odds on that Fellaini will not be here at the start of the season.

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The amount of leaks out of that club is extraordinary. Ever since Martinez was appointed, every single signing has been in the paper before it happened.

 

It's unprofessional and a total disregard for the privacy of our clubs business, not to mention a lack of respect for their ex manager. 20m is a joke. It might be different if he was a goal machine but he is only just in front of Hibbert.

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Don't know how people can think £12 mil is excessive for McCarthy, but are offended by the same amount for Baines.

 

McCarthy is a talented central midfielder, there's plenty of talented central midfielders in the world. Baines is the best left back in the league, there are very few left backs (or right backs for that matter) who are anything more than "capable of doing a job".

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How many great teams are built around a great left back?

 

Sell him to bring in a midfielder that will help us take a step closer to Europe. Think Moneyball, yes Baines is great going forward, but defensively we conceded the majority of goals from his side. We could get a cheaper left back who is better defensively and bring in a young midfielder who could make up for Baines' assists and also further the team, helping spread the flow of football across the park rather than be one dimensional. Keeping Baines is purely an emotional, Everton will be cutting their nose off to spite the face.

Short run - we improve thanks to a better midfield.

Long run - the cycle continues, we sell the midfielder and target which ever area is weakest.

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:blink: seriously, can't see why?

McCarthy is younger and plays in a harder position and maintain (or increase in) value. How is Baines worth more?

If Baines wasn't already here and Everton had £15 mil left in the kitty would you rather the club bought Baines or some one to fill in a key position midfielder or striker and has sell on value?

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