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OK here's a question.

 

Given that F1 bosses have said that the new World Champ's father gets to wave the chequered flag today (LINK) what's going to happen if Massa's leading into the final lap, Hamilton fifth with Alonso half a second behind in sixth?

 

Mr Massa and Mr Hamilton have tug-off ( :o ) to see who gets to hold the flag :P ?

 

One thing that's pissing me off more than a little is the huge deal being made (on 5live this morning for eg) that Hamilton's "black," and what a great thing it'll be for the black community if he wins it.

 

Firstly he's about as far removed from what they mean when they say black community (inner city, gang ghetto stuff) as Michael Jackson is.

And secondly he's mixed race....his mother's white. If people started going on about what a great thing it would be for the "white" community if he won there'd be uproar and screams of racism.

 

Anyway. my last word on the matter....may the best Brazilian win :lol::lol: (though I'm fairly confident Lewis will do it).

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Am in two minds about this one. Didn't want Hamilton to win but now he has I'm kinda' pleased with him. After all he is British, just hope he's not arragant with this win.

 

I was really cheering when Massa crossed the line in first thought that Hamilton may slip up on the last lap and he did. Glock got past him and managed to hold him off well. Really surprised when Hamilton got past him. He finished four seconds behind Lewis. Glock managed to stay in 6th I think.

 

Feel sorry for Massa. His team and family were cheering in the pits and I think they had told him that the World Championship was his, they obviously hadn't noticed Glock going wide on the penultimate corner. Massa crying on the podium. Really feel sorry for the guy, I'm sure he'll win next time round. He would have this year if his car would have been better mechanical wise.

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I was really cheering when Massa crossed the line in first thought that Hamilton may slip up on the last lap and he did. Glock got past him and managed to hold him off well. Really surprised when Hamilton got past him. He finished four seconds behind Lewis. Glock managed to stay in 6th I think.

 

Intersting point of view dark.....but that wasn't what happened :mellow: .

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what a finish that was I thought it was very funny when his family were all celebrating and till someone told them, reminded me abit of when everton score then it gets disallowed but people are still celebratating.

 

:lol:

 

I know I saw that and found it kinda' funny. Seeing Ferrari cheering only to realise that they'd lost :D

 

Intersting point of view dark.....but that wasn't what happened :mellow: .

 

In what way? Glock got round Hamilton, Hamilton got round Glock and won?

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:lol:

 

I know I saw that and found it kinda' funny. Seeing Ferrari cheering only to realise that they'd lost :D

 

 

 

In what way? Glock got round Hamilton, Hamilton got round Glock and won?

 

Glock got ahead of Hamilton in the pit stops, he didn't pass him racing. Hamilton slipped up 2 laps from the end, not on the last lap.

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Glock got ahead of Hamilton in the pit stops, he didn't pass him racing. Hamilton slipped up 2 laps from the end, not on the last lap.

 

...and it was Vettel who got past Hamilton on the track....two laps from the end. Glock at no time held Hamilton off....neither did Vettel come to that....Hamilton seemed to have no pace.

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...and it was Vettel who got past Hamilton on the track....two laps from the end. Glock at no time held Hamilton off....neither did Vettel come to that....Hamilton seemed to have no pace.

 

Sorry, I meant Vettel. Got Glock mixed up with Vettel. :gay:

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what a frustrating race... the most annoying thing for me was kubica... a lap behind and he feels like taking on vettel and hamilton in the middle of a championship race...not only that but hamilton lets him pass? because he let him pass he allowed vettel to catch and then take him on the inside... couldn't believe that decision.... very very lucky in the end i was so annoyed when he let kubica past... deserved championship though and it was worth th wait i feel happy for him and i feel glad to have seen nicole jumping for joy...i bet shes going to give him some amazing action tonight

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When it came down to it (as far as Hamilton knew) he had a two lap race against Vettel to win the championship and he lost it.

 

Shows a serious failing somewhere, that's two years running he'd have thrown it away if Glock could have just kept going.

 

But as his dad said, "I believed in God. I believed that right would come through."

 

Divine interevention then :rolleyes: .

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in fairness to hamilton he didnt have much grip on the last 2 laps...thats what enabled vettel to really get at him. i dont know why but you could tell...i was quite surprised vettel passed him tbh they're pretty good pals.

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Was Glock just stupid or something more sinister? Apparently Glock lost a 23 second lead in the last lap?

 

He wasn't stupid and it wasn't sinister, just that he and Trulli (his team-mate) were the only two that took the risk and stayed on dry tyres when it started raining at the end. It nearly worked but on the last lap they both were struggling and went round in 1.44 (within a tenth of each other).

 

Hamilton's last lap was a 1.26 and as he beat Glock by five seconds in the end 23 so seconds is about right.

 

No conspiracy (though Hamilton fans would doubtless have found one had he lost....Enzo Ferrari got God to make it rain or something equally plausible) or stupidity. The rain (and his inability to beat Vettel) appeared to have taken the title off Hamilton, but then it gave it back to him.

 

Perhaps he really does have god in the car with him :mellow: ?

 

He won't win it again though B) .

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BBC have announced their team for next year >>>Here<<<

 

Pleased they've given Brundle a job personally, and I like Eddie Jordan. Coulthard's grown on me in recent years also.

 

Jonathan Legard will be OK as commentator I think, Jake Humphrey's a bit of a gamble anchoring it though I'd have thought. He's done OK on the occasional Football Focus and at the Olympics but he's still only just out of CBBC....but maybe people without kids aren't aware of that.

 

Can only be a step up from ITV's coverage though...bring it on!

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BMW Sauber Season In Numbers

Think Formula One racing and the numbers that normally spring to mind are power outputs, top speeds and budgets. But numerically speaking there is far more than meets the eye to the average Grand Prix season. Did you know, for example, that brake discs can reach temperatures of up to 1000 degrees Celsius? Or that it takes around 40 hours to assemble a gearbox? BMW Sauber reveal some of the more surprising facts and figures from their 2008 season, as they continue to prepare for their '09 campaign...

 

- A driver sheds an average of two kilos in weight per Grand Prix.

- Formula One tyres may heat up to 130 degrees Celsius. Beyond this level, there is an increased risk of blistering.

- The exhaust reaches temperatures of up to 950 degrees Celsius.

- After a race, it takes the team at least eight working hours to dismantle the car, test and replace individual components, and reassemble the car.

 

Read On - Interesting Facts

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Just seen on telly that after the 2010 season there going to slash the teams budgets by 50% which will cause abit of uproar. I am not see keen on the new changes they have made to this years cars with the taller and ompact rear spoilers and flat front spoiler they look more like formula three cars.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ4bOi48ZCo...37E&index=0

If you let the clips role through it shows you each teams cars for this season

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Just seen on telly that after the 2010 season there going to slash the teams budgets by 50% which will cause abit of uproar.

Hopefully will level the field a bit though :) .

Think the new cars will be fine; whatever changes the authorities impose the teams overcome and seem to keep getting faster.

 

Honda is now BRAWN GP. <<link.

 

bgp001-1.jpgbgp001-6.jpg

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Pretty encouraging first day of testing straight out of the box...

 

1. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber F1.09, 1:20.338

2. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari F60, 1:20.908

3. Jarno Trulli, Toyota TF109, 1:20.937

4. Jenson Button, Brawn BGP 001, 1:21.140

5. Nelson Piquet, Renault R29, 1:21.662

6. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso STR4, 1:22.158

7. Mark Webber, Red Bull RB5, 1:22.246

8. Adrian Sutil, Force India VJM02, 1:22.452

9. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams FW31, 1:22.813

10. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren MP4-24, 1:22.948

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Day three testing in Barcelona...

 

1. Jenson Button, Brawn BGP 001, 1:19.127

2. Felipe Massa, Ferrari F60, 1:20.168

3. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber F1.09, 1:20.217

4. Timo Glock, Toyota TF109, 1:20.410

5. Fernando Alonso, Renault R29, 1:20.863

6. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull RB5, 1:21.165

7. Nico Rosberg, Williams FW31, 1:21.324

8. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India VJM02, 1:21.545

9. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso STR4, 1:21.569

10. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren MP4-24, 1:21.657

 

....and day four...

 

"The potent pace of the Brawn BGP 001 continued to impress at Barcelona’s Circuit de Catalunya on Thursday, as this week’s multi-team test - the last before the season opening Australian Grand Prix later this month - drew to a close."

 

1. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn BGP 001, 1:18.926

2. Nico Rosberg, Williams FW31, 1:19.774

3. Timo Glock, Toyota TF109, 1:20.091

4. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull RB5, 1:20.576

5. Fernando Alonso, Renault R29, 1:20.664

6. Felipe Massa, Ferrari F60, 1:20.677

7. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber F1.09, 1:20.740

8. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren MP4-24, 1:20.869

9. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso STR4, 1:21.013

10. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India VJM02, 1:21.045

11. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso STR4, 1:21.629

 

Looks like the Brawn could be a contender....Hamilton/McLaren struggling at the mo, but I'm sure they'll sort themselves out.

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Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, has approved a change to the points systems for this year’s drivers’ championship, which will see the title awarded to the driver with the most race wins. The rest of the standings, from second to last place, will be decided by the current points system.

 

If two or more drivers finish the season with the same number of wins, the title will be awarded to the driver with the most points, the allocation of points being based on the existing 10, 8, 6 etc. structure. The constructors’ championship is unaffected.

 

>More<

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Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, has approved a change to the points systems for this year’s drivers’ championship, which will see the title awarded to the driver with the most race wins. The rest of the standings, from second to last place, will be decided by the current points system.

 

If two or more drivers finish the season with the same number of wins, the title will be awarded to the driver with the most points, the allocation of points being based on the existing 10, 8, 6 etc. structure. The constructors’ championship is unaffected.

 

>More<

 

Why change something that has worked perfectly for years or could this be another anti-MacLaren action. Surely consistency has a part to play when measuring a drivers ability, does FIA expect drivers to go all out with a win the do all and end all of competion. The best car will have an even better chance of winning the ultimate prize now

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Straight in with a bit of controversy :lol::rolleyes: .

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7965056.stm

 

I'm a big Jenson fan and I hope the bookies are right but making him favourite for Sunday seems a bit far-fetched to me :) .

 

Think he (and Barichello) may well have parts of the race where they're fast but I don't think they'll win.

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I've not been a massive fan of Formula One over the years, MotoGP is more my thing but this time round I'm hooked. I watched the season finalé at Brazil last time round and thought that it was a fantastic race (even if Massa did lose) I can't say that I've warmed to Hamilton, I will say now that I won't be supporting him. Jenson Button seems to be the man that I've been following pre-season, the Brawn team are looking at giving teams like McLaren and Ferrari something to chase after which should be interesting.

 

Like I said I'm not a massive F1 buff but this season I am going to try and follow it, for Australia my support is with Brawn GP.

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Pracice times for the race suggest that "Big Guns" may struggle for the early part of the season!

 

It'd be good to see a bit of a shake-up :) .

 

Seems ridiculous to me that there's still an appeal on about these diffusers that Brawn, Williams and Toyota have got. They all obviously came up with their designs independently and were themselves convinced they were within the rules. They all passed scrutineering and the FIA have thrown out the protest.

 

The others are just cross they didn't come up with something similar, but you can be damn sure all their factories are working round the clock to copy them.

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Q&A with Rubens

 

Looking at the Friday times from Melbourne, you’d be forgiven for thinking that the world has been turned upside down, with some of last year’s backmarkers topping the timesheets. One of the drivers making an impact in Australia is veteran Rubens Barrichello, who posted the second fastest time of the afternoon for Brawn. Barrichello reviews his progress and looks ahead to Sunday’s race…

 

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I'm sure that they will do. Brawn now have a head start if you like on the other teams and can make up some points until others catch up. Jenson and Rubens have the ability to complete the race in the top positions its just about keeping it steady and going through with it all. McLaren are having a shocking start to this campagn but I would never write them off. This season more than ever they will be wanting to win and won't be letting some technical hitches stop them from maximum success.

 

It's going to be interesting from the word go. I just hope Brawn can keep it together.

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Jenson on pole and Brawn ahead of the rest by a street.

 

They said it would be a good car because Honda effectively sacrificed last year to concentrate on the new regs.

 

Thank goodness they kept it alive, would have been such a waste if they hadn't. Richard Branson on board now....the obvious question is...

 

Will they lose their virginity tomorrow :D ? Hope so.

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Jenson on pole and Brawn ahead of the rest by a street.

 

They said it would be a good car because Honda effectively sacrificed last year to concentrate on the new regs.

 

Thank goodness they kept it alive, would have been such a waste if they hadn't. Richard Branson on board now....the obvious question is...

 

Will they lose their virginity tomorrow :D ? Hope so.

 

I see what you did there :P

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Interesting new thing this year, the weights of the cars after qualifying are being made public so you can get an idea of everyone's fuel load. Looks like Jenson's going to stop a lap before Barachello, but the Brawn's weren't fuelled light to get the front row. Looks like they're actually carrying more fuel than anyone else in the top eight.

 

1. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 664.5kg

2. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 666.5kg

3. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 657kg

4. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 6505kg

5. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 657kg

6. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 654kg

7. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 655.5kg

8. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 662kg

9. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 691.5kg

10. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 680.7kg

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Hamilton did well to finish 4th in that shite car too.

 

Does anyone else think the cars actually look crap this year? They've always looked quite sleek etc and with all the changes for this year they look a bit cheap and like toy cars :huh: .

 

Hamilton promoted to third :) .

 

I don't think the cars look too bad.....in a few races time no-one will remember what they used to look like I don't think, but I take the "toy car" point (the Brawn in particular, maybe the relative lack of sponsorship).

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Why was that?

 

"Hamilton received a further boost following the race when he was elevated to third after Trulli was handed a 25-second penalty by the stewards for passing Hamilton under yellow flags following the crash involving Vettel and Kubica."

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Good race for Brawn and Jenson especially. Now there's a Brit pilot I like and can see myself supporting. Unlike Hamilton, whom I don't like at all, Button has the appeal of former champions like Mansel and the Hills.

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Torro Rosso press release this morning (the timing of it is significant).

 

"In the interests of maximising car reliability in high temperatures and humidity usually encountered in Malaysia, the Kers system will not actually use the recovered energy to boost engine power in the usual fashion."

 

"Instead the teams plan to use Kers as a sophisticated DCA (Driver Cooling Aid)."

 

"Energy recovered under braking is used to drive a refrigeration unit to chill down the cool store."

 

"This is connected into a special driver suit, so when the driver presses the Kers button cold liquid is circulated around his suit reducing his body temperature."

 

"Studies have shown that an increase in core body temperature of just one degree can reduce driver performance by as much as 23%."

 

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Trulli reinstated as third as Mclarren gave "misleading evidence" at the hearing. Hamilton could not be involved in the next race.

 

:huh:

 

The trials and tribulations of McLaren hey? Looks like they're continuing their run ins with the authorities this season.

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The trials and tribulations of McLaren hey? Looks like they're continuing their run ins with the authorities this season.

Guilty as hell though by the look of it (certainly they're not appealing), they'll be lucky to not get more punishment.

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Good race for Brawn and Jenson especially. Now there's a Brit pilot I like and can see myself supporting. Unlike Hamilton, whom I don't like at all, Button has the appeal of former champions like Mansel and the Hills.

 

Good to see something like that to be honest. Hopefully the days of one man running out in front for the whole season has gone and there will now be more variation with the winner. Brawn have done a fantastic job and will do well to keep it up when they go on the grid again. This is only the start, not the end.

 

 

Guilty as hell though by the look of it (certainly they're not appealing), they'll be lucky to not get more punishment.

 

Agreed. The haven't appealed... :mellow:

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Anyone see Toyota's team on the starting grid before the race? Had a group of men standing around the back hiding something.

Not the best start Button could have asked for but still in with a shout.

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does the start of the season show that ferrari are at a total loss without Brawn running the show?

everyone seems to be backing BrawnGP, i dont want them to cover the car with sponsors though, it looks great as it is.

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