right, i think the point is they don't benefit much from the uK, but england benefits from them. hence why independence was on the table.
i got your point, i got the bailout, i'm just saying they are fine, the EU has high standards (which is a good thing) but the US should have been bankrupt years go, we are bleeding money so fast and we are fine, so i'm saying although the media did the whole "world is gonna end in ireland" in actuality, they're fine and it wasn't.
you're right no victory, but in 5-10 years time when all the old fogies pass on, i'm sure it will pass.