RuffRob

did anybody see the Overlap - Carragher said the Forst owner actually wanted to send the Tweet out at half time, so after the first two inccident. That's why we saw it almost as soon as the final whistle had been blow.

There's been a lot of condemnation about them doing it after the game. A hell would have broke lose if it happened during a game. Trying to influence officials mid game - now that's worthy of point deductions itself.

The owners a loon. 

2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

I was expecting Tarkowski to say:-

"yeah he gave us home truths and we gave him a few back too - we told him his tactics were shit and he was rigid right down to that white shirt, it all needed to happen after he slapped Patto cos to be honest he can be a right dickhead and we were all pissed off"

 

maybe just maybe they have got over Patto gate and have now simply moved on. 

sounds to me like Dyche dished out some home truth that everybodies got to get are shit together, pull together and roll up sleeves to get this job done themselves. No magic wand coming. 

Fair do's to his management of them and fair do's to the players for rolling those sleevs up. 4 wins in 5 is good going when your under the kosh. 

2 minutes ago, patto said:

Does it matter what league we are in

I would guess significantly. Branthwaithe not long signed a new contract - Given the clubs recent seasons performances, I am sure there would be relegation clauses in it. i.e we might be obliged to sell him for certain fee etc. 

Just can't understand any logic of having  agreed any sort of deal in principle given the significance of the unknows going in to the transfer window.

but why would a deal be aleady done in principle? If we didn't even know what league we would have been in etc?

2 minutes ago, patto said:

We may not have new owners before the start of the new season so what do you think happens then are you saying we don’t do any transfers. 
I would think it’s on Thelwell and whoever is sitting in office now to do the business 

Just attaining PL status on Saturday also has significant impact on transfer stratergy. There could be a significant change in the clubs transfer stratergy between now and 1st September. I really can't see why you would agree a deal already with such significant issues to be determined.

Also, if a fair few clubs interested in him, why do a early deal on him, surely get a bidding war going. 

I am only guessing though.

10 hours ago, Palfy said:

If you are prepared to accept the longest run in our history without a win, and if you are prepared to accept some of the worst football played by an Everton team in my lifetime that’s for sure, and if you are prepared to accept some of the poorest managerial decisions especially in game time, then yes you have your successful season, but if you aren’t prepared to accept those qualities as I don’t then imo it’s been far from a success. 
And all that you have said about points deductions, and our position in the league from last season, doesn’t make it a successful season it barely makes it bearable and just adds to how unsuccessful the seasons have been for many years now, from the running of the club and the football we have witnessed. 
And if it still baffles you try setting your sights a little higher and you may then experience the disappointment that I and many others like me feel about how successful we’ve been. 

This is a bit like a parent say to a child you can be whatever you want to be - 'just dream big and it will happen'. It pretty much ignores the reality of the ability you really have or situation you are currently in. The dream is there to work towards, but lots of bulding steps have to be take to acheive it. This club is currently at the bottom step. 

I don't think you will find one fan who 'enjoyed' this season or beleives just surviving relegation is a staple we should be satified with as medium to long term objective. However, there is nothing at all wrong in most fans celebrate and enjoying acheiving safety from relegation when you are in a relegation battle. It's simply living the moment. 

Immediate 'success' is purely a function of the current situation you find yourself in. Having come off the back of two relegation battles, a points deduction and financial wows with regard to the playing squad, then not having to go to the last couple of games is 'relative success' when compare to relegation.

This week some fans are simply making the most of winning what has turned out to be this seasons battle, but nobody 'accepts' that any sort of war is won. 

I can actually be a relatively happy fan rather than a miserable one for a few weeks at least .  People are simply enjoying the relative success of the moment we are in. I don't feel any guilt as a fan for making the most of small victories as and when they come along, or trying to taking positives where I can. Fans who make the most of a bad situation shouldn't be made out to be some sort of 'problem' or are somehow lesser fan.

Your and Haf's MO is to somehow look down on other fans who try and enjoy these fleating moments of relative success, implying some element of blame. Life's simply to short not to enjoy the little moments!!!

2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I wonder if the club will be considering holding on to Branthwaite and just taking the hit of a points deduction.

I guess that would depend on just how much it would put us over. If it would only put us a small amount over then you'd have to consider it. If it leaves us massively over then obviously it would be out of the question.

How odd is it now that a team can consider a 2-6 points deduction hit as part of their squad building stratergy. We'll have a right good spend on the squad this year, and just take the 6 points!

1 hour ago, patto said:

Don’t be surprised if the deal for Branthwaite is already done I’m not sure about Onana but I hope he leaves for a decent fee although I don’t envisage a big profit 

nothing will be already done - becasue at anytime before the opening of the transfer window we could (most likely be or at the cusp) of a new ownership model. 

2 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

That why I said worst of the PSR is behind us, rather than it being totally done and dusted.

we all know a lot more about it now, how charges are made and what sort of point deduction you may get. Most of this season has been us used as the case studies. That 10 point initial charge made against us was very destabilising. we should not be seeing anything like that again. outcomes all very much unknowns last season. No doubt would mean investors look at us much more cautiously.

 

 

5 hours ago, Matt said:

Hate to break it, but PSR is far from over.

That why I said worst of the PSR is behind us, rather than it being totally done and dusted.

we all know a lot more about it now, how charges are made and what sort of point deduction you may get. Most of this season has been us used as the case studies. That 10 point initial charge made against us was very destabilising. we should not be seeing anything like that again. outcomes all very much unknowns last season.

59 minutes ago, Harv said:

It been a great footballing week for us. Nice to wake up with a smile thinking we are safe. Only to read this morning about the P.L. putting something out  about Sheffield not necessarily relegated due to Forrest and Everton points deduction appeals. What does this mean, can anyone put my mind at rest please.

PL basically saying an appeal might go their way and the next commission might decide that the original commission was too lenient in the starting number or too generous in giving some of the points back for good behaviour etc.

I doubt any more point will be taken off. but we already have a 2 point buffer now.

PL just trying to make a point.

I would be much more worried as a forest fan, as they got more back for being really nice and helpful. they have been anything other since.

investment wise the club has done itself a massive favour this week.

most importantly we have stayed in the Premiership, we have now navigated PSR and hopefully the worst of that is behind us.

the team and fans where amazing in the derby - if other buys have stated to look at us this week in a bit more detail, then they truly witness the passion of the Everton faithful. That can't have done us any harm.

we can only hope.

10 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Detraining is the partial or complete loss of training-induced adaptations, in response to an insufficient training stimulus. Detraining characteristics may be different depending on the duration of training cessation or insufficient training. 

Short term cardiorespiratory detraining is characterised in highly trained athletes by a rapid decline in maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max) and blood volume. Exercise heart rate increases insufficiently to counterbalance the decreased stroke volume, and maximal cardiac output is thus reduced. Ventilatory efficiency and endurance performance are also impaired.

These changes are more moderate in recently trained individuals. From a metabolic viewpoint, short term inactivity implies an increased reliance on carbohydrate metabolism during exercise, as shown by a higher exercise respiratory exchange ratio, and lowered lipase activity, GLUT-4 content, glycogen level and lactate threshold. At the muscle level, capillary density and oxidative enzyme activities are reduced. Training-induced changes in fibre cross-sectional area are reversed, but strength performance declines are limited.

Hormonal changes include a reduced insulin sensitivity, a possible increase in testosterone and growth hormone levels in strength athletes, and a reversal of short term training-induced adaptations in fluid-electrolyte regulating hormones.

I thought everyone knew that

i see, so a bit more to it than just making you shit at passing.

5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Our passing has been woeful long before Dyche even arrived. Maybe the reason we go long so often is because he's not too precious about the football being pretty and because he realises these players aren't great at it.

We're good at doing in small spells but consistently? Nah, someone will eventually play a stupid pass and give possession up.

Do I want it to be better? Of course I do but I've been moaning about it for years so I think it's a little bit unfair to blame Dyche for it.

exactly, why focus massive masses of time and effort 'drilling' at something your only going to be average at at best, at the expense at to being one of the best out of possession and at set pieces.

Dyche has turned us from a deserved relegation fighting team to a solid mid table team. I am glad most people also realise he's more than met his brief this season. 

Fucking very glad the club didn't panic and shit it pants after the Chelsea game, sack him and shoved a novice Baines in the hot seat in the vain hope we might have got some sort of bounce. some common sense privailed.

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Tell me why they haven't?  

you can't tell me that our passing and general play has been anything other than sub standard for the majority of the season.  Rafa did it to the players, 

I repeat - these players can play football, maybe not Man City levels but they can play. The inability to do it is cos they aren't drilled. 

just because a team focuses on the more non possession style of football doesn't mean the coaching staff would go about somehow trying to 'detrained' the players on how to pass a ball. I am sure the will be doing all sorts passing drills. Is detraining players of a particular skill even a thing? 

Possession based footballs great when you have a squad full of the worlds best players, only 5 - 6 teams are particular good at dominating the ball, the rest, it actually makes them quite vulnerable. 

Possession play - sub-standard maybe, but our defensive qualities have been championship chasing quality. Pickford has second most clean sheet this season, only the top three have conceded less goals. Something solid to build from.

3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

The shit passing can absolutely be pointed at dyche and his staff. These players are poor on the ball not because they can't play - cos they are detrained. 

I don't know what the next 6 months will bring - if we are with Dyche then expect to see Westwood come in on a free and his type of player.  If we get money and the ability to invest in the sales of Onana etc then I want a new manager. 

 

utter claptrap. players are not being 'detrained'.

this game had the making of a back down to earth banana skin after both the physical and mental effort from the Derby. A solid professional performance, 3 points and encouraging performance from our teenage striker and premier league status assured. 

fuck you Premier League.

just need a Qatar Wealth Fund or similar who are dripping with money to swoop in and buy us, as it would round the week off nicely.

10 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Yep. Absolutely no way offer new contract.  He's here to do a specific job whilst we are in a certain state. 
 

i hope there is no reason to play this brand of football much longer.... needs must and all that but we need an overhaul. 

i would agree in not offering any sort of new contract, until we see how thinks are going in the new year and when he's in the last 6 months of the one he is one. I don't see bigger jobs than the Everton job being offered to Dyche, so why commit. Different if you have the next best new up and coming manager at the helm. 

I see Dyche as a pair of safe hands rather than perhaps more risky hand of some up and coming progressive manager who has not worked in the Premiership before. The club set up is nowhere near the stability needed to take on the risk on this type of manager just yet. 

There is currently a fine line between pushing for the minor European places and being in a relegation battle. TV money has really evened up the comparative revenue of the none top 6-7 teams. We don't have the financial clout to maintain a pretty much relegation proof squad. We have to be more careful than ever on managerial risks.

Baby steps needed at the moment, not shooting for the moon. 

Great performances all around.

Bottle it and take it in to all our remaining fixtures.