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  1. 7 hours ago, Deacs said:

    They certainly wouldn’t do any worse. We only have to not lose to Forest, Luton and Sheffield Utd and we’re safe. With Dyche in charge we’re losing those games.

    unfortunately that's a big only. it's go to the point now that teams smell blood around Everton. Forest and Luton will be look at us winnable games. 

    fucking hell do we miss Gana when he doesn't play.

  2. 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

     

    it's fucking so sad our business is being conducted in this way. 

    I really really hope 777 Partners are able to make a go of it with us. For all their perceived faults, they do at least seem like an entity who actually have some faith and vision in the Everton brand. They really do seem to be keen to get this deal over the line. 

    I don't seem to be seeing any sort of faith elsewhere else.  which is worrying in itself. 

  3. We that was well and truly a thrashing. This team's confidence is at rock bottom.

    Everything to do with this club at the moment saps the joy and enthusiasm out of fans. 

    A reaction to tonights performance is a must against Forest. This team have to show something for the fans to react positively too next weekend. 

    I fear it's shit or bust for this team. If the fans turn on player, I don't think they have the character to deal with it as we would need.

    we desperately need to see a win on Sunday.

     

     

  4. 6 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

    I remember years ago these companies being on BBC Panorama. Eye opening how they work.

    At the same time, with Moshiri (Usmanov) money, why didn't they just pay RMF off? That's always been a hard to understand bit for me.

    I was kind of thinking the very same thing. Moshiri (Usmanov) where the billionaire's who have own the club over the past 6 years or so and they have had both plenty of time and the resources to restructure RMF financing under their watch.This debt wasn't an issue 3-5 years ago when money was being wasted left right and centre on bang average players.

    There have been poor decisons going back many a year, which all just seem to compound themselves. We have had plenty of back luck on the way mind you, but much of our trouble are bourne of poor decision making.

    My personnal take on this - modern football clubs need to be run by modern global sport focused business people and it has been for sometime, 'romantic' local owners are simply out of their depth in the PL era, however well their intentions might be.

    I think Kenwright thought he was going to get the next Abramavich (via Moshiri) for the club when he sold his shares - but that dream slowly turned in to a nightmare and culminated into a total cluster fuck once Usmanov's ability to invest was forced out of the equation and now Moshiri is scurrying off behind him and simply trying to get as much of his money back as he can. The whole thing is a financial mish mash now Moshiri simply wants out. 

     

  5. the real prolem with Everton at the moment is their is just to much dust in the air around the place at the moment. 

    Point deductions crap and another relegation battle (so not 100% what league we will be kicking off in next season) - massive different in the value of a Prem club to a EFL club, stadium three quarters built and another season to negosiate before we actually move in, massive loans with three different entities, limbo of who will eventually own us. 

    If nothing else 777 Partners coming in should provide a period for the dust to settle. I am pretty sure given the size of the Everton purchase for them, we will be getting the attention of their very best people in working on making Everton a signifcantly better brand - and that is kind of what football is all about now. 

    We can move forward at all until this happen. 

    I also think saleable players will be sold well before there would be any thought of a stadium sale. The Stadium is (or is about to be) the Everton crown jewel. Players are always replacable.

     

  6. 12 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

    https://www.thelondonlions.com/news/a-statement-from-777-partners

    just on the news tonight that Women London Lions basketball team have tonight become the first British bb team to every win the Euro Cup. 

    plenty of dòom and gloom stories about 777 Partnership, but this appears to be a bit of a feather in there cap.

    it has fuck all to do with their finances, but perhaps shows that maybe they do have something about them. 

    although, when the story came on in detail it said they will not be defending their title next season as 777 are pulling their funding.

    Can't even fund a women's basketball team!!!

    back to doom and gloom!!! 

  7. https://www.thelondonlions.com/news/a-statement-from-777-partners

    just on the news tonight that Women London Lions basketball team have tonight become the first British bb team to every win the Euro Cup. 

    plenty of dòom and gloom stories about 777 Partnership, but this appears to be a bit of a feather in there cap.

    it has fuck all to do with their finances, but perhaps shows that maybe they do have something about them. 

  8. the lions share of the stadium is now compleate - so I would hazard a guess that the biggest bills have been paid. The stadium will get finished. 

    Reading a recent article on 777 Partners as the owners of Genoa, 777 are working on ensuring they acquire the ownership and rights to their home stadium from the local authority, seeing it as a pivital way to generate revenue. The are looking to invest £100m in upgrading the venue to UEFA grade IV category standard and so non sporting event can be staged there. They want visitor to the Genoa stadium to be spend a hour before and an hour after event in and around the venue location spending and generating extra revenue. The article on what they are currently doing at Genoa is a interesting read. 

    I really don't see 777 Partners selling off the stadium and then them and Everton just feeding of the crumb. Short term to get the deal over the line possibley maybe (5 years or so).  I think the new stadium is a massive draw to 777 Partners - it will be the cornerstone of how this club gets turned around. 

  9. 2 hours ago, Palfy said:

    Exactly this, let’s now channel our anger into coming together and galvanising our strengths to beat the drop and stick to fingers up to the PL, as the saying goes don’t get angry get even, let the higher hierarchy of the club fight an appeal, let the team and fans fight to win every point available to us before the end of the season. 

    Exactly this.

    The amount of points we have been deducted is quite astounding for the serverity of what Everton have actually done. 

    If we do end up getting relegated it will be these 8 points deducted that take of us down. I have said it before this  points deduction debarcle that we have endured all season have been like a tractor beam that has constantly pulled the team in to the relegation battle. We have a bit of breathing space of a 4 point gap on Sunday - boom we are back to being one defeat way from falling in to a relegation zone. 

    Being in a relegation fight brings its own anxiaty and stress to footballing squad, and we have been artificially pulled into it most of the season. I really think the stress of it all on the playing and management over pretty much the whole 23/24 season has quite easily cost us 5-6 more points (maybe more).

     

     

  10. 4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

    I'm thinking we get 4 points now - only reason being is that last night our odds on relegation were 7/1 - dropped to 6/1 this morning..... 

    it suggests a fair whack of money has gone on us. 

    The odds I have been following had us at 5/1 before this afternoons announcment - and now we are 4/1. That would suggest the 2 point deduction was on the harsh side.

  11. 9 minutes ago, Palfy said:

    Nearly spot on Rob fair play mate 👍

    I would have though we should have got more than 2 points knocked off due to 'double jeaperdy' or maybe 1 also knocked off for the clubs intent to reduce spending on player trading and wages along with the Ukraine war effect. 

    Para 100.5 suggest Everton would have taken a 1 point deduction. There was plenty of ways the Commison could have got the sanction to 1 point. We would have accepted this.  

    I am pretty disappointed with 2 as I saw that at the maximum we would probabley get. 

  12. https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2024/04/08/eef5f482-4d3a-473a-9e38-26f995059377/Premier-League-v-Everton-Decision-FY23.pdf

    I have read it as -

    3 points deduction for a breach plus 2 point deduction for the magnitute of the breach, deemed 'modest' rather than signficant (£16.6m). So before mitigation factors we have been given 5 point deduction. (Paragraph 180 then 187)

    less 2 points becasue of the fact we have already been penilised in over part of this 3 year accounting period (para 206) and

    less 1 point for an early plea to PSR breach (Para 260)

    So final deduction of 2 points.

    We got no consideration for the fact the USM sponsership go pulled due to UK sanctions of Russians or any other financial hit like anything argued towards the stadium. 

    We got no consideration for 'exceptional co-operation' - our co-operation level was the 'level expected'. 

    We also go no consideration from a sustainable 'New Recruitment Stratergy' that has been implemented at the club.  

     

  13. 1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

    I'm expecting 2 at the most. Any more and the epl will expect us to appeal, even at 2 they will think "they will appeal this"

    0-1 is my guess. If they give us 1 I'd still go after them. 
     

    as a fan base we deserve a break. The last 3 years have been exhausting. This season is a shit show - a complete farce. 

    I agree totally. It has been exhausting the turmoil both on and off the pitch has been awful and never ending. Feel like punch bag of a fan base. I fans have had if far the worst.  We all know what a shambles the club has been run internally - (the details of which we have endlessly debated), but as we slowly start to get out own house in order with removal of the board and change in owner.

    The PL come along and well and truly put the boot in to the Everton fan base. We have suffered our own poor ownership and management and are now the club suffering the most from the PL's own poor management and misgivings. Like you said we deserve a fucking break from it all. 

  14. 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

    I'm honestly still amazed that we got 10 points for the first one, and everything that's followed from that has only increased the amazement.

    It's all been handled so badly.

    when you look back to forests 4 points, I think we have already been harshly treated with the 6 we have already had taken off us. 

    It will be a real kick in the teeth to loose more points this season.

    We should be sitting in a relatively relaxed position of 35 points with 7 games to go. 

    Instead we are on a very uncomfortable 29 points, sweating on us having the 4 points earn taken this past week off us. 

    1) The commision have a straight forward get out clause to give use zero points this time around - 6 points penalty (less 4 becasue we have been penilised for 2/3) plus 2 point off for being helpful (as Forest go). So 0 points deduction. Given we got a harsh 6 points last time, then a generouse 0 this time around would be fairer balance overall. A outside possibility, but I don't see this happening 

    2) or 6 points (less to 2 points for being helpful), so 4  the same as Forest. Then factor in the 2/3 of the period already having been punished, so 1/3 being - 1.22 points - do they round to 1 point or take the 0.22 as a point as well - A case for 1 or possibly 2.

    3) The give us exactely the same as Forst - substancial beach but we worked with the PL and they take no notice of the fact we have already been punished for two of the three years - 4 points - this would be very harsh.

    4)All of our disclaimers on why the account are over this period (lost sponsorship due to Ukraine, Stadium costs etc) are upheld by the commission and we are found to be exhonorated of the charge in this accounting period. 0 points.

    My gut feeling is we will get 1 point deduction based on arguement 2) and would only get 0 points if 4) us upheld. 

     

     

  15. 8 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

    I have a question, and it has literally nothing to do with your insights. 

    Why the FUCK do I keep seeing people spelling this man's name as Harland? Harland is a pig farmer from Kentucky, not a Norwegian super-striker.

    Ok that's all 🙃

    because some of us are dyslexic and are just not great at reading and writing, particularly spelling. 

    had people take the piss since i was a school.kid, trying to make me feel stupid if I make a mistake, from both teachers and other kids.

    Must be great to be so clever.

    answer you question?

     

  16. I might have a cheeky £20 on Palace - at 25/1. 

    Palace have only taken a total of 11 points from the 14 teams above them (if you also include us - with the 6 point we have lost) so far this season.) 19 points has come from the bottom 5 teams, we 12 of their points coming off the bottom two teams.

    All Palace's remaining games are against teams above them (many who are chasing a european spot), new manager does not really seemed to have changed much results wise, fourth worst goal difference, one of the players getting pelters today for swapping his shirt with Harland at half time!!! In 2 or 3 games time they might find themselves right in the mix.

    I fancy Brentford to finish higher than Palace. So see Palaces odd tumbling next weekend if Liverpool beat them at Anfeild next week and the Bees win their home game against the Blades - I just think 25/1 is generous this evening for a team in pretty poor form. 

    If Luton do rally for the run in (massive win for them today after being a goal down), it wouldn't surprise me to see Palace drawn into the final day survival battle if it comes to it. 

     

     

  17. Brentford are definitely in the relegation battle now, and if you look at Crystal Palaces games, all the teams they have left to play are all above them. Palaces easiest games looks to be West Ham and Newcastle at home. 

    looking at the games left I would hope we finish above Palace.

  18. 14 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

    No Onana and gueye ..... my suspicion is the Onana reaction to his sub wasn't appreciated 

    or could simply be both have a knock that keeps them out of the game. Dyche doesn't have the luxury of simply just dropping players out of the squad completely

  19. 2 hours ago, Newty82 said:

    Still fucks me off that they're changing the rules next season and we're going to be done twice in one season.

    Barmy bastards.

    I really hope neither us or Forest go down now (even though I don't like Forest after them being one of the clubs originally whining about us). If either of these points deductions result as the reason why a team get the financial hit of what relegation brings, then it would truly be an unjust travisty for that team. 

    Fair enough if a point deduction results in the lost of a few league positions as not much more than the 'cost' than a fine (although the only teams that benefit are the two or three that leapfrog you), but to condem a team to relegation truly is a case of a punishment not suiting the crime.

    Lets hope its 'football' in the end that determines who is relegated or not this season. What a stressful season for all associated with Everton. 

     

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