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I think it may have been the 'construction' cost that had been locked in. I  am sure they would have been a variation allowed for inflation in material cost. For a project of this scale and the world we currently find ourseles, no contractor would have taken on that level of risk. In all honesty, had we actaully locked the Contractor in to a fixed price and them taking the financial hit on rise in materials, give the amount they have gone up, it could well have sent them and many of their specialist sub contractors in to administation, so we would still have a significant debt and a half or three quater stadium build, load of corners cut by the Contractor, and no Contracotors about with knowledge of getting it finished.

Materials might be costing a bit more, but everybody will be getting fairly paid, and we will end up with a top no corners cut job.

Laing Construction all but went bust on the construction of Wale's Millenium statium at the end of the 90's and Laings where taken over by O'Roukes on the back of that project.  They will not make that mistake again.

2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Would they though? Why???!  No wins in 11 games.  0.67 per game.

Sacking form 
 

 

but in that 11 game run there was:

1 game away to fulham - a decent enough away point. OK

2 games against Man City, 2 defeats - expect results, no shame and not bad performances. Understandable. 

2 games against Spurs -  1 defeat away (expected results be we actually played well enough to win - very unlucky) and draw at home (not an total unexpected result against a top four challenging side form wise). Unlucky in both really. OK

1 game verses Villa - home draw against a top 4 side (again not that bad a results). OK

1 game away to Brighton - draw (should have won come the final whistle - but no shame in this result), annoying but OK 

1 game away to Man Utd - not a game Everton ever really win. However, performace deserved better. frustrating, but OK

1 games away to Wolves - played poorly and got beat away by a tidy enough Wolves team  - disappointing performance, and Dyche said as much. Away loses happen in PL football. 

1 Palace at home - should have won only got a draw (2 points lost) - confidence issue and relatievly poor performance.

1 West Ham Home - should have won (2 point lost) - confidence issue as performance did deserve a better result.

Personally, 2 points dropped against Palace and 3 points dropped against West Ham are the two results that really disappointed me in the run of 11 games.

So really only 2 or 3, that you would really say are massivley disappointing or unexpected/unacceptable results. That's the real reason why not more people are not calling for Dyche to be sacked - a pragmatic view of more than just the final result of the last 11 games.

last 11 results - 0.45 points per game (sack the manager!!!)

previouse 11 results - 2.0 points per game (give the manager a new contract as we are in next seaons CL!!)

An average of 1.11 per game so far is fair enough considering the shit going on behind the scenes and difficuties in finishing. 

Based on what I have seen this season Dyche has this squad consistently performing as a middle of the table team. I would have taken that in August, so no reason at all to be sacking the man. There have be far far worst footballing crimes at this club over the past 8 years - performance and results wise. 

I think he has done plenty enough now to have played his way out of the starting 11. 

We have to now be bolder in games like both Bournmouth and Luton away and against Burnley, Forest, Brentford and Sheff Utd at home and at least have a right back who is going to give us much more going forward. It pretty much the bottom half of the table and all be games in which we should be going on the feild feeling positive that we are the better team, there is signficant scope to get a more forward thinking right back on the pitch.  

20 hours ago, patto said:

I agree Dyche ball is not great for attacking players Jack looked decent elsewhere. 

I don't think any player can use what is termed Dyche ball as a excuse. There are opertunities in most game for our offensive players to  show moments of quality or make moment of quality happen. The problem is as much the quality (or lack of) of the player as it is the system in which they play.

I remember when Harrison played against us for Leeds, he had a couple of stinkers, if I remember correctly the last game he played against us he was particualy poor.

Being a hard worker has always been his best attribute, genuine quality being spasmodic at best. Dyche ball actually probably suits the worker like Harrison's of this world. 

£8M for Gray was business it seens we couldn't turn down, give our finances,  his fringe position in the squad and him being on his final year.  Being on his final year and he low fee, that has to go down as mostly profit on the books. 

He's not done anywhere near enough to earn a £20m transfer. 

48 minutes ago, Haiku said:

DCL and Beto have 5 goals combined this season... 

to be honest not one of the offensive players are stepping up to grab a goal or two.  You would expect wingers and midfielders to be chipping in here and there, it not just strikers, everybody's lost the final touch if front of goal. 

Just now, Elston Gunnn said:

Have to blame Dyche for stubbornly sticking with Godfrey, who’s not good as defender or crosser.  He helps us lose.  We’ve seen that for several matches in a row.

As to Gomes, I hope he can stay healthy, and I like his play.  Going foward.  Protects the ball with his bulk, some really pinpoint passing.  If in the lineup for Doucouré and thus up the pitch, good.  Just can’t think he will defend.  Nor can he play 95 minutes.

I also feel Gomes could be a big player for those home games we have coming up after the break.

It can't be under estimate what 'confidence' brings to a team. It's the single biggest thing that's missing for us at the moment.

Desperately need to chalk up a win to get bring some of that back.

must now hope for other results to go our way to keep weekend from being a total disaster!!

1 minute ago, Newty82 said:

Don't judge it by 8 mins and the score. We've been the better team.

Unfortunately, today is the day the usually solid defence have chosen to have their overdue mare!

That's what makes it so frustrating, we should really still be in this game.

4 minutes ago, Btay said:

Godfrey off for Patto at halftime. Stinker of a game from him 

fuck all to lose in the second half, may as well be a little bolder and give Patto game time..

Most of our away games are fairly tough - so would be happy getting 3 -4 points from these (3 draws or a win) if our luck changes a little at home. 

Home, we have been shocking results wise - but if we don't take at least 9 points from those 5 games then we really don't have any right to be in the Premiership. 

Unless we get a couple of unexpected results beforehand you would have to say the Forest game could have a lot riding on it. 

We could really do with a result against Man U to take the club in to the short break we are then going to have. 

I don't doubt others would be interested in a Premier League club (at the right price), but not sure how that would equate to a genuine interest.

If true, then this other interested party should really be shouting from the roof tops about being interested in Everton rather than keeping it to themselves and Joe Thomas. What would other investers have to gain by keeping a low profile? If I was genuine buyer I would be doing what I could to put a fly in the ointment for what could be a near immenent 777 deal. 

If PL sanctions 777 Partners, then we could have new owners fairly sharpish, so any other interested party would miss the boat. If there was another genuine buyer in sight, then may even help the PL in saying they don't think 777 are fit and proper (if thats what they are thinking), becasue Everton have other genuine options. 

Even if 777 Partners have some period of exclusivity on detail discussions with Everton, that still doesn't stop any other potential buyer letting it be know they would be interested. 

17 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2024/03/05/everton-takeover-josh-wander-responds-to-concerns-over-777-partners-purchase/

I must admit I am on Josh Wander side in this case, really not sure what Josimar Football credentials are and now much they ARE in the know or just think they are in the know with a handfull of fact. These articles, if not properly balanced, can end up divisive and harmful. It is interesting that Wander has used the term libelous about what is being wrote.

777 Partner (and their backers) are already putting lots of money in to the club, so 777 Partner at the moment deserve the benefit of the doubt. These significant sums of money will not be getting invested by fools, some people seem to have faith in 777 Partners and there ability to make Everton a better club.

We all know our main problem has been that we have be very poorly run in a modern footballing world environment, it's that simple. It's fuck all to do with not having a wealth investor. If 777 simply have talented people lined up to run us like a proper sports franchise business, then we are going to be in an infinately better position than we are in now. 

Just getting our boardroom lto a proffessional level and making Everton a better run club will see the value of us as an asset go up. 

Neither Mc Neil or Harrison haven't been particiualy consistent this season.

They provide a solid enough base, but have generally not offered a signifcant amounts offensivley - considering that they are our offesive outlets. How I would love to be watching the McNeil we watched this time last year. we know McNeil does have it in his locker. The problem is we don't have a great choice beyond the pair of them at the moment, either to be putting there places in the team under pressure or to be offering a great deal off the bench.

As a player with us on loan Harrison is doing a OK job, but as a player we should go and spend £20M on then, I don't think so in what I think is going to be a very subdued transfer market this summer.

I really think it will be a buyers this summer. I think the likes of Man U, Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle will be trying to shift players and big earners, but equally not spending massivley to replace them.

Fuck knows what Everton's plans will be, will we be a Premiership or Championship team and will we have a new owner or not. Probably two of the biggest questions you could have before making any sort of concrete transfer plans. 

8 hours ago, Btay said:

I'm really hoping we see a good display here. I feel like a bit of pressure has been released & hopefully the players can reflect that. We all know Goodison is going to be absolutely bouncing.

I think your right - fans as well as players will be glad this appeal is now off our backs - we have to see it as a positive result and go in to the Saturdays game with spring is everybodies set, Goodison bouncing and players reacting to that. 

Lets see that 4 points back being reinforced with another three points on Saturday. Then is would feel like a truly good week.

11 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Pretty sure it won't come to that.

Spurs need to be sensible. They had an £80m player who got hooked on sleeping tablets that their doctor prescribed to start with. I wonder why they offloaded him for £10m..... of course they knew he had issues.

Daniel levy is about as stupid as he is moral..... that money mad blurt doesn't give a shit that Alli signed for a club in an uneconomical deal.  He needs to look at the player. 
 

If what you are saying is true, there is nothing to stop Everton asking another club to act as a middle man.  "Alli signs for Tranmere on a free and then joins Everton immediately after" 

 

Well he was/is a free for the first 20 games, then £10m once 20 games player. however, it said the deal could potentially be £40m with other add on, I am guessing one could very well be contract renewal or extension. 

I don't imagine we would simply get away with running the contract out and then re sign him.

come on, we know what will happen. Everton (becasue of the Contract we have) will be the only club that can't sign Dele on a free in the summer (will cost us £10M or more as for us it will be a renewal) even though we have paid his wages and hopefully looked after him this past season.

He will sign for somebody else and he will have put his demons behind him, and will be fit for the opening game of the season in August and will get back to somewhere near his old form. Will most likely will sign for a club we are in a relegation battle with (if we are in Prem next year).

This is how I feel thing just go for Everton at this moment in time. If there is any luck going around it' only the bad luck we seem to get.  

8 hours ago, Matt said:

I wonder (and hope) 777 get refused and Moshiri has to lower his price to be attractive to another "decent" buyer. 

777 scare the crap out of me, very concerned they're going to be more damaging than Moshiri + FFP

I think it really is a case we don't have a clue of what sort of new owner we are going to get with 777. With 'they could be worse than Moshiri could they' currently being the best (on paper) of what they really have going for them. That is quite a low bar of expectation.

based on estimated purchase cost and liability of compleating the stadium, it must be pushing a £1Billion investment. You can only hope that there are some fairly shrewd business people involved who have a reasonably well thought out plan. 

A will settle for a plan and getting on to an even keel at the moment - fucking sad the state we are in.

I think the only sale that would count in 22/23 financial period is Gordon and possibly Moise Kean, but purchases of Onana, McNeil, Garner, Maupay and Gueye all happened in 22/23. It's not really a statement of getting on top of our finances, and they where all purchased transfer window immediately post Usmanov and the sponerships lost.

by my reading of the figure given in the report and a few sums.

19/20 - £58m loss

20/21 - £53m loss

21/22 - £13.5m loss (based on 3year total £124.5m over spend documented) 

So simlpy standing alone (without any reduction for already being charged) the 3 year on this second charge would need to be -

20/21 - £53m

21/22 - £13.5m

22/23 - so for a charge to be brought it would have to be at least £105m - £53m - 15.5m = so lossses greater than £38.5m must have already been submitted for 22/23 accounting year. Can't see how we would be charged otherwise.

That would mean our stated loses must be over a single year £35M in anycase.

Going from -£13.5m loss (21/22) to more than £38.5m loses (22/23) also means the downward trend discussed in the appeal has evaporated. So thats not great either.

its fucking mad we could finsih the season with potential 5 different point totals 

1. - what we win fair and square on the pitch

2. * -10 pts

3. ** - 6pts

4. *** - 6pts and minus from second charge

5. **** - 6pts and minus points deducted upon appealed to second charge.

And in between this, the table will also change based on Forests charge 

1 hour ago, Matt said:

We absolutely can. All clubs have interested parties that help with funds, just to varying degrees. 

I would be careful how far we could push with that one, otherwise get slapped with some other financial irregulatiry. How sponsership money comes in etc is one they look at. We know that Usmanov has been involded with appointments at the club etc. As much as we think they are,PL lawyers are not stupid. 

Reallity is that Usmanov was really the owner elect for the club. Mascarading and a none share holder he had the abitlity to keep us hovering just below the £105M PSR with £10M- £30M sponsership here and there. Before the Ukraine war we had the ability to sail close to the PSR limit because Usmanov was able to set up a commercial deal to simply cover any shortfall.

In mid March 2022, both our current and future business model was ripped from under the club, when Russians where booted out of the country. Over night Everton football club basically had their pants pulled down and became fully exposed.

Moshiri/Usmanov ownership was set to try and get around PSR to a degree. Pre PSR, Usmanov could and would have just bought Everton and spend just like Chelsea or Man City did with no worry about it.

But Everton can't say to the commision or PL, our 'slight of hand' pretend non owner financing model of the club has been taken away from us and we are going to be a bit fucked PSR wise for two or three years!!

Its all been a financial fire fight since March 2022. So fuck knows what our 22/23 books look like a full year post Usmanov. 

One shining light is that Usmanov has been terrible and would have contiued to have been a piss poor owner. So as much as its all fucking us in the short term - It may be better for us long term.