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I don't doubt others would be interested in a Premier League club (at the right price), but not sure how that would equate to a genuine interest.

If true, then this other interested party should really be shouting from the roof tops about being interested in Everton rather than keeping it to themselves and Joe Thomas. What would other investers have to gain by keeping a low profile? If I was genuine buyer I would be doing what I could to put a fly in the ointment for what could be a near immenent 777 deal. 

If PL sanctions 777 Partners, then we could have new owners fairly sharpish, so any other interested party would miss the boat. If there was another genuine buyer in sight, then may even help the PL in saying they don't think 777 are fit and proper (if thats what they are thinking), becasue Everton have other genuine options. 

Even if 777 Partners have some period of exclusivity on detail discussions with Everton, that still doesn't stop any other potential buyer letting it be know they would be interested. 

17 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2024/03/05/everton-takeover-josh-wander-responds-to-concerns-over-777-partners-purchase/

I must admit I am on Josh Wander side in this case, really not sure what Josimar Football credentials are and now much they ARE in the know or just think they are in the know with a handfull of fact. These articles, if not properly balanced, can end up divisive and harmful. It is interesting that Wander has used the term libelous about what is being wrote.

777 Partner (and their backers) are already putting lots of money in to the club, so 777 Partner at the moment deserve the benefit of the doubt. These significant sums of money will not be getting invested by fools, some people seem to have faith in 777 Partners and there ability to make Everton a better club.

We all know our main problem has been that we have be very poorly run in a modern footballing world environment, it's that simple. It's fuck all to do with not having a wealth investor. If 777 simply have talented people lined up to run us like a proper sports franchise business, then we are going to be in an infinately better position than we are in now. 

Just getting our boardroom lto a proffessional level and making Everton a better run club will see the value of us as an asset go up. 

Neither Mc Neil or Harrison haven't been particiualy consistent this season.

They provide a solid enough base, but have generally not offered a signifcant amounts offensivley - considering that they are our offesive outlets. How I would love to be watching the McNeil we watched this time last year. we know McNeil does have it in his locker. The problem is we don't have a great choice beyond the pair of them at the moment, either to be putting there places in the team under pressure or to be offering a great deal off the bench.

As a player with us on loan Harrison is doing a OK job, but as a player we should go and spend £20M on then, I don't think so in what I think is going to be a very subdued transfer market this summer.

I really think it will be a buyers this summer. I think the likes of Man U, Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle will be trying to shift players and big earners, but equally not spending massivley to replace them.

Fuck knows what Everton's plans will be, will we be a Premiership or Championship team and will we have a new owner or not. Probably two of the biggest questions you could have before making any sort of concrete transfer plans. 

8 hours ago, Btay said:

I'm really hoping we see a good display here. I feel like a bit of pressure has been released & hopefully the players can reflect that. We all know Goodison is going to be absolutely bouncing.

I think your right - fans as well as players will be glad this appeal is now off our backs - we have to see it as a positive result and go in to the Saturdays game with spring is everybodies set, Goodison bouncing and players reacting to that. 

Lets see that 4 points back being reinforced with another three points on Saturday. Then is would feel like a truly good week.

11 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Pretty sure it won't come to that.

Spurs need to be sensible. They had an £80m player who got hooked on sleeping tablets that their doctor prescribed to start with. I wonder why they offloaded him for £10m..... of course they knew he had issues.

Daniel levy is about as stupid as he is moral..... that money mad blurt doesn't give a shit that Alli signed for a club in an uneconomical deal.  He needs to look at the player. 
 

If what you are saying is true, there is nothing to stop Everton asking another club to act as a middle man.  "Alli signs for Tranmere on a free and then joins Everton immediately after" 

 

Well he was/is a free for the first 20 games, then £10m once 20 games player. however, it said the deal could potentially be £40m with other add on, I am guessing one could very well be contract renewal or extension. 

I don't imagine we would simply get away with running the contract out and then re sign him.

come on, we know what will happen. Everton (becasue of the Contract we have) will be the only club that can't sign Dele on a free in the summer (will cost us £10M or more as for us it will be a renewal) even though we have paid his wages and hopefully looked after him this past season.

He will sign for somebody else and he will have put his demons behind him, and will be fit for the opening game of the season in August and will get back to somewhere near his old form. Will most likely will sign for a club we are in a relegation battle with (if we are in Prem next year).

This is how I feel thing just go for Everton at this moment in time. If there is any luck going around it' only the bad luck we seem to get.  

8 hours ago, Matt said:

I wonder (and hope) 777 get refused and Moshiri has to lower his price to be attractive to another "decent" buyer. 

777 scare the crap out of me, very concerned they're going to be more damaging than Moshiri + FFP

I think it really is a case we don't have a clue of what sort of new owner we are going to get with 777. With 'they could be worse than Moshiri could they' currently being the best (on paper) of what they really have going for them. That is quite a low bar of expectation.

based on estimated purchase cost and liability of compleating the stadium, it must be pushing a £1Billion investment. You can only hope that there are some fairly shrewd business people involved who have a reasonably well thought out plan. 

A will settle for a plan and getting on to an even keel at the moment - fucking sad the state we are in.

I think the only sale that would count in 22/23 financial period is Gordon and possibly Moise Kean, but purchases of Onana, McNeil, Garner, Maupay and Gueye all happened in 22/23. It's not really a statement of getting on top of our finances, and they where all purchased transfer window immediately post Usmanov and the sponerships lost.

by my reading of the figure given in the report and a few sums.

19/20 - £58m loss

20/21 - £53m loss

21/22 - £13.5m loss (based on 3year total £124.5m over spend documented) 

So simlpy standing alone (without any reduction for already being charged) the 3 year on this second charge would need to be -

20/21 - £53m

21/22 - £13.5m

22/23 - so for a charge to be brought it would have to be at least £105m - £53m - 15.5m = so lossses greater than £38.5m must have already been submitted for 22/23 accounting year. Can't see how we would be charged otherwise.

That would mean our stated loses must be over a single year £35M in anycase.

Going from -£13.5m loss (21/22) to more than £38.5m loses (22/23) also means the downward trend discussed in the appeal has evaporated. So thats not great either.

its fucking mad we could finsih the season with potential 5 different point totals 

1. - what we win fair and square on the pitch

2. * -10 pts

3. ** - 6pts

4. *** - 6pts and minus from second charge

5. **** - 6pts and minus points deducted upon appealed to second charge.

And in between this, the table will also change based on Forests charge 

1 hour ago, Matt said:

We absolutely can. All clubs have interested parties that help with funds, just to varying degrees. 

I would be careful how far we could push with that one, otherwise get slapped with some other financial irregulatiry. How sponsership money comes in etc is one they look at. We know that Usmanov has been involded with appointments at the club etc. As much as we think they are,PL lawyers are not stupid. 

Reallity is that Usmanov was really the owner elect for the club. Mascarading and a none share holder he had the abitlity to keep us hovering just below the £105M PSR with £10M- £30M sponsership here and there. Before the Ukraine war we had the ability to sail close to the PSR limit because Usmanov was able to set up a commercial deal to simply cover any shortfall.

In mid March 2022, both our current and future business model was ripped from under the club, when Russians where booted out of the country. Over night Everton football club basically had their pants pulled down and became fully exposed.

Moshiri/Usmanov ownership was set to try and get around PSR to a degree. Pre PSR, Usmanov could and would have just bought Everton and spend just like Chelsea or Man City did with no worry about it.

But Everton can't say to the commision or PL, our 'slight of hand' pretend non owner financing model of the club has been taken away from us and we are going to be a bit fucked PSR wise for two or three years!!

Its all been a financial fire fight since March 2022. So fuck knows what our 22/23 books look like a full year post Usmanov. 

One shining light is that Usmanov has been terrible and would have contiued to have been a piss poor owner. So as much as its all fucking us in the short term - It may be better for us long term. 

I thing the argument put forward regarding Russian sactions was that Moshiri had a gentleman's agreement about getting some more money from USM for naming rights while the stadium was under construction. PL and commission stated that there is no documentation of this, so not having any of it. In the appeal document just issued, this was fairly specific and did not cover our general sponsorship deals with USM. 

Sanction in March 22, and losing a major 'suger daddy' sponser going forward will have majorly hit us July 22 onwards. We still has USM on board for most of 21/22. only lost them for April, May and June in that accounting year.

What else would have caused us to lose so much more money in 22/23 if we are actually spending less on transfers and wages?

reading through the finding of he commissio  and looking at this charge it looks like financially

year 1 £55m loss

year 2 £53 loss

and year 3 (£124.5 - £55m -£53m) so must be -£16..5m. loss.

now if we look at this with regard to the up coming charges.

year 2 - £53m,

year 3 -£16.5m 

so year 4 must be (£105m - 53 -16.5) giving-£35m.

now we all know that we don't have  net player spending in year 4 or increase in wages, in fact it must be the opposite.

I think we should be in a much better position for arguing any losses in year 4, because this is the year that the Ukrainian war broke out and the Russian sactions actually kicked in and  overnight we lost our major sponsorship. its not realistic to replace this kind of major sponsorship in a matter of months. 

I think 6 points is still a fairly harsh punishment overall. Saving grace is that we got the penalty this year and not last season. So thank fuck the club didn't allow the PL to fast tracked this charge last season. Otherwise we would have been playing championship football.

We have a dozon games to go, and another charge against us to come. Everton will have a very good idea now of what the new charge looks like and how its calculated, they will know the details the accounts submitted, and they also know what the penalty points wise will be. For arguments sake lets say ther club could be confident it could be another 6 points. 

Club has to play out the remainer of this season on the assumption of another 6 point deduction (or whatever Everton calculate the deduction will be) is coming. We need to play to be 6 points above what 18th place team is going to be.

Based on todays announcment Dyche should have a very good idea of what this goal should be. 

Hindsight great when you see him doing well for Luton, but a signifcantly different expectation on him if he came back here. He would have divide fans massivley on day 1, we got plenty on our plate, without the noise (can't beleive I am using this!!) of what would be a contraversial signing to a big proportion of fan.  

We do appear to have missed out, but I can very muchj understand why the club avoid him as wasn't much appitite for the majority of fans based on both what he apparantly did to the club when he left and what is footballing showing had been over the past couple of years with both Villa then Nice. 

If he didn't already have Everton baggage, I am sure we would have been tempted to bring him in on a free, especially if he is only getting £30k a week on a 12 month contract. Credit to Luton for getting what is turning in to a great deal for them.

Barklay has gone to Luton Town with absolutely no pressure on him, and as maybe the big fish in a smaller pond he's flurished - your would imagine their fan love him. Maybe a good fit for both. 

I am not convinced we have missed out on him as a player - as would be very much different circumstances for him at Everton. He would have been a player who would have split fans, there is enough of a pantomine going on at this club at the moment.

He didn't do that great with villa, so think he may need a 'Luton' to bring the best of him out. 

the lads value is going up game by game. first to us as a quality and dependable player and then secondly if any club want to try and steel him away, then the asking fee price and the number of clubs intrested increases by the week.

I was hoping to come away today with a positives. at 90min and 0-1 upgainst 10men you expect to come away with the 3points - so one the back of Palace at home, its another two point dropped.

Overall it not a bad results, but In the end, just feeling gutted.

emm, not a shot yet, never mind one on target. 

Could we possible do what teams did to us at Goodison early in the season - nick a fully undeserved win!! Its not like don't deserve one. Not with our luck.

Onanna will be disappointed,  he does and can make a difference off the bench - lets face it is pretty slim picking for a player to make much impact otherwise. 

COYB. 

let's hope McNeil discovers close to the form he attained lat Brighton ast year. 

Brighton are good at their place, and I am sure they will not fall into the same trap as they did last time we visited.

I feel it could be a tough afternoon on the south coast.

I would settle for something like a 2-2 draw with a DCL brace. as long as we come away with a couple of positives, to take us in to the next few games.