RuffRob

I think it really is a case we don't have a clue of what sort of new owner we are going to get with 777. With 'they could be worse than Moshiri could they' currently being the best (on paper) of what they really have going for them. That is quite a low bar of expectation. based on estimated purchase cost and liability of compleating the stadium, it must be pushing a £1Billion investment. You can only hope that there are some fairly shrewd business people involved who have a reasonably well thought out plan. A will settle for a plan and getting on to an even keel at the moment - fucking sad the state we are in.

I think the only sale that would count in 22/23 financial period is Gordon and possibly Moise Kean, but purchases of Onana, McNeil, Garner, Maupay and Gueye all happened in 22/23. It's not really a statement of getting on top of our finances, and they where all purchased transfer window immediately post Usmanov and the sponerships lost.

by my reading of the figure given in the report and a few sums. 19/20 - £58m loss 20/21 - £53m loss 21/22 - £13.5m loss (based on 3year total £124.5m over spend documented) So simlpy standing alone (without any reduction for already being charged) the 3 year on this second charge would need to be - 20/21 - £53m 21/22 - £13.5m 22/23 - so for a charge to be brought it would have to be at least £105m - £53m - 15.5m = so lossses greater than £38.5m must have already been submitted for 22/23 accounting year. Can't see how we would be charged otherwise. That would mean our stated loses must be over a single year £35M in anycase. Going from -£13.5m loss (21/22) to more than £38.5m loses (22/23) also means the downward trend discussed in the appeal has evaporated. So thats not great either.

its fucking mad we could finsih the season with potential 5 different point totals 1. - what we win fair and square on the pitch 2. * -10 pts 3. ** - 6pts 4. *** - 6pts and minus from second charge 5. **** - 6pts and minus points deducted upon appealed to second charge. And in between this, the table will also change based on Forests charge

I would be careful how far we could push with that one, otherwise get slapped with some other financial irregulatiry. How sponsership money comes in etc is one they look at. We know that Usmanov has been involded with appointments at the club etc. As much as we think they are,PL lawyers are not stupid.

Reallity is that Usmanov was really the owner elect for the club. Mascarading and a none share holder he had the abitlity to keep us hovering just below the £105M PSR with £10M- £30M sponsership here and there. Before the Ukraine war we had the ability to sail close to the PSR limit because Usmanov was able to set up a commercial deal to simply cover any shortfall. In mid March 2022, both our current and future business model was ripped from under the club, when Russians where booted out of the country. Over night Everton football club basically had their pants pulled down and became fully exposed. Moshiri/Usmanov ownership was set to try and get around PSR to a degree. Pre PSR, Usmanov could and would have just bought Everton and spend just like Chelsea or Man City did with no worry about it. But Everton can't say to the commision or PL, our 'slight of hand' pretend non owner financing model of the club has been taken away from us and we are going to be a bit fucked PSR wise for two or three years!! Its all been a financial fire fight since March 2022. So fuck knows what our 22/23 books look like a full year post Usmanov. One shining light is that Usmanov has been terrible and would have contiued to have been a piss poor owner. So as much as its all fucking us in the short term - It may be better for us long term.

I thing the argument put forward regarding Russian sactions was that Moshiri had a gentleman's agreement about getting some more money from USM for naming rights while the stadium was under construction. PL and commission stated that there is no documentation of this, so not having any of it. In the appeal document just issued, this was fairly specific and did not cover our general sponsorship deals with USM. Sanction in March 22, and losing a major 'suger daddy' sponser going forward will have majorly hit us July 22 onwards. We still has USM on board for most of 21/22. only lost them for April, May and June in that accounting year. What else would have caused us to lose so much more money in 22/23 if we are actually spending less on transfers and wages?

reading through the finding of he commissio and looking at this charge it looks like financially year 1 £55m loss year 2 £53 loss and year 3 (£124.5 - £55m -£53m) so must be -£16..5m. loss. now if we look at this with regard to the up coming charges. year 2 - £53m, year 3 -£16.5m so year 4 must be (£105m - 53 -16.5) giving-£35m. now we all know that we don't have net player spending in year 4 or increase in wages, in fact it must be the opposite. I think we should be in a much better position for arguing any losses in year 4, because this is the year that the Ukrainian war broke out and the Russian sactions actually kicked in and overnight we lost our major sponsorship. its not realistic to replace this kind of major sponsorship in a matter of months.

I think 6 points is still a fairly harsh punishment overall. Saving grace is that we got the penalty this year and not last season. So thank fuck the club didn't allow the PL to fast tracked this charge last season. Otherwise we would have been playing championship football. We have a dozon games to go, and another charge against us to come. Everton will have a very good idea now of what the new charge looks like and how its calculated, they will know the details the accounts submitted, and they also know what the penalty points wise will be. For arguments sake lets say ther club could be confident it could be another 6 points. Club has to play out the remainer of this season on the assumption of another 6 point deduction (or whatever Everton calculate the deduction will be) is coming. We need to play to be 6 points above what 18th place team is going to be. Based on todays announcment Dyche should have a very good idea of what this goal should be.

Hindsight great when you see him doing well for Luton, but a signifcantly different expectation on him if he came back here. He would have divide fans massivley on day 1, we got plenty on our plate, without the noise (can't beleive I am using this!!) of what would be a contraversial signing to a big proportion of fan. We do appear to have missed out, but I can very muchj understand why the club avoid him as wasn't much appitite for the majority of fans based on both what he apparantly did to the club when he left and what is footballing showing had been over the past couple of years with both Villa then Nice. If he didn't already have Everton baggage, I am sure we would have been tempted to bring him in on a free, especially if he is only getting £30k a week on a 12 month contract. Credit to Luton for getting what is turning in to a great deal for them.

Barklay has gone to Luton Town with absolutely no pressure on him, and as maybe the big fish in a smaller pond he's flurished - your would imagine their fan love him. Maybe a good fit for both. I am not convinced we have missed out on him as a player - as would be very much different circumstances for him at Everton. He would have been a player who would have split fans, there is enough of a pantomine going on at this club at the moment. He didn't do that great with villa, so think he may need a 'Luton' to bring the best of him out.

the lads value is going up game by game. first to us as a quality and dependable player and then secondly if any club want to try and steel him away, then the asking fee price and the number of clubs intrested increases by the week.

I was hoping to come away today with a positives. at 90min and 0-1 upgainst 10men you expect to come away with the 3points - so one the back of Palace at home, its another two point dropped. Overall it not a bad results, but In the end, just feeling gutted.

emm, not a shot yet, never mind one on target. Could we possible do what teams did to us at Goodison early in the season - nick a fully undeserved win!! Its not like don't deserve one. Not with our luck.

Onanna will be disappointed, he does and can make a difference off the bench - lets face it is pretty slim picking for a player to make much impact otherwise. COYB.

let's hope McNeil discovers close to the form he attained lat Brighton ast year. Brighton are good at their place, and I am sure they will not fall into the same trap as they did last time we visited. I feel it could be a tough afternoon on the south coast. I would settle for something like a 2-2 draw with a DCL brace. as long as we come away with a couple of positives, to take us in to the next few games.

thats my point, a flat market will not help us if we HAVE to sell this summer. I don't see massive fees paid at all, as there will be plenty of selling clubs and not so many buying clubs (at least not at the premium prices we have seen the past few years). I can see Chelsea as a club this might effect massivley. I feel clubs might only get 60 to 70p on the £1 this summer. I don't actually mean us getting any bargains - as see us having fuck all money to spend this summer. I can see the likes of Spurs doing well this window. Lets hope our players don't rock the boat to much and try to push to get a transfer this summer.

I agree. He is still our best option as a starting striker given his attributes discussed about. I think he will benefit massivley now Doucs is back. Last night you could see Doucs was short of match fitness - so hopefully if DCL and Doucs can stay fit than that will hold us in good stead for the rest of the season. I was gutted when the goal was give to Harrison a couple of weeks ago - I though he had finally ended his drought. I was desperate for a DCL goal and a win against Palace - that would have made a massive difference to the general feel around the place going in the final third of the season. On a positive note, before the Palace game the bookies had us at 3/1 for relegation and today we are 4/1, so in that way it was maybe a slightly better week for us than our nearest rivals.

A lot will depend on the state of the transfer market. January was as flat as a witches tit. We just have to hope we don't HAVE to sell this summer. I don't see inflated fees being paid left right and center this summer. Massive point sanctions will currently be putting fear in to clubs at the moment. This might be a good window for getting some bargains, as clubs having to offload players to get there booking in order, but other clubs not wanting to stretch their finances.

It is so so furstrating to see DCL back on the pitch after best part of two season with injury problems, only for him to have somehow totally lost the ability to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunately, him missing some very good chances is one of the main reasons we have not been able to get a win or two in the run of eight games. I hope he finds some for soon!! I think DCL (or other striker) scoring two or three goals over the past 8 games would have impacted the other two stats. DCL fit and a back up striker or two in the building - but still no goal scorer.

no real shining light, but McNeil put the ball on DCL head in the first half, his corner delivery was inch perfect for Onnana equaliser, and Tarks had a great chance to snatch a winner from his free kick. some poor finishing denied him finishing the game with 3 assists.

not a great day at the office. We are a team who have currently forgotten how to win. Today was a massive chance missed to get back to winning games. I did fear today Palace would be difficult than it was on paper due to whats happened at the club this week. The only saving grace is this team are managing to pull a point back in games from losing position rather than going on to losing them. and every point may count come the end of the season.

story for much of the season

I just knew tonight was going to be a fucking banana skin.

Liverpool is a great city and I just think Everton are making the very best of the location in which our new stadium is going to be located. It could quite easliy become one if not the very best large capacity venues in the country. If the statidum is set up to extract maximum revenue for 50,000 people in attendance, be it Everton supporters on 20 odd match days (those who want to and are happy to spend) or AC/DC fans et al on an evening in July, it will all introduce an much needed additional revenue stream to the club. The stadium seem to be the one thing the club are getting right, from location, the design, the fans buy in to the project all the way through to the commercial nouse in its development.