RuffRob

To be fair to Dyche, since August/Sept he has always asked the seasons body of work to be judged as a whole. Not to get carried away at the highs or to down about the lows. All outside influences aside we have been a solid a mid table club this year.
 

This is a bit like a parent say to a child you can be whatever you want to be - 'just dream big and it will happen'. It pretty much ignores the reality of the ability you really have or situation you are currently in. The dream is there to work towards, but lots of bulding steps have to be take to acheive it. This club is currently at the bottom step. 
I don't think you will find one fan who 'enjoyed' this season or beleives just surviving relegation is a staple we should be satified with as medium to long term objective. However, there is nothing at all wrong in most fans celebrate and enjoying acheiving safety from relegation when you are in a relegation battle. It's simply living the moment. 
Immediate 'success' is purely a function of the current situation you find yourself in. Having come off the back of two relegation battles, a points deduction and financial wows with regard to the playing squad, then not having to go to the last couple of games is 'relative success' when compare to relegation.
This week some fans are simply making the most of winning what has turned out to be this seasons battle, but nobody 'accepts' that any sort of war is won. 
I can actually be a relatively happy fan rather than a miserable one for a few weeks at least .  People are simply enjoying the relative success of the moment we are in. I don't feel any guilt as a fan for making the most of small victories as and when they come along, or trying to taking positives where I can. Fans who make the most of a bad situation shouldn't be made out to be some sort of 'problem' or are somehow lesser fan.
Your and Haf's MO is to somehow look down on other fans who try and enjoy these fleating moments of relative success, implying some element of blame. Life's simply to short not to enjoy the little moments!!!

maybe just maybe they have got over Patto gate and have now simply moved on. 

To be fair to Dyche, since August/Sept he has always asked the seasons body of work to be judged as a whole. Not to get carried away at the highs or to down about the lows. All outside influences aside we have been a solid a mid table club this year.
 

I really can't see that at all - some of are parts are worth less than whole for which they are going to pay for. 
Our value is in the fact we have been the worst run club in the Premiership, when traditionally/historical we are argubley the 4-5 most decorated club in the land. Real value is making this great club relavent again. 
For all their other shortcoming I feel this is what 777 Partners truly see in us.
Nobody would argue that we have been very badly run, so masses of room to improve this. 

Unfortunately, I am fuelled purly by nothing more than blind faith and hope. 

Unfortunately, I am fuelled purly by nothing more than blind faith and hope. 

thats one big thing going in the favour - they really really want to own us. They must really see considerable value in us and have a plan to get our revenue streams up and us operating more like a business. I have no doubt we would get the full attention of their very top sports business people. I am a big beleiver in having the rigth proffessional people in charge, we are living proof of what happens with the wrong people make the grown up desisions. I think it's as, if not more, important than simply money. 
Once the stadium is built then the 'big investment' has been done. We all know owners can't simply bank roll a club nowerdays, the smart owners are those who are going to get maximum revenue from the Everton brand. Its forward thinking smart sports business people that are going to make the difference. 
Do 777 Partners have these?, or willing to employ them? - that's what remains to be seen, there definately not coming in to throw cash at it. 

It has the feeling of man buys a much loved vintage car that needed TLC and restoring..... he wastes a load of money on sound systems and fluffy dice and now it needs a new engine and he's trying to flog it for parts.  Meanwhile there are probably some enthusiasts who will offer a fair price but no..... Moshiri is considering "we buy any car" 

Moshiri has wasted far too much time on these.
Yet another bad decision on his part.

The sooner they’re told to sling their hook the better
 
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/30/everton-call-in-insolvency-restructuring-advisers-777-takeover-doubt

some not so great stories doing the rounds today about 777 
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-takeover-real-doubt-777-29084340
https://josimarfootball.com/2024/04/30/kind-of-blue/
Never know what to make of these stories - 
I think the 777 Partners might actually make a good management structure at the very top of the club, with novel ways to increase revenues - which will be ever more important give type of wage ceiling may be introduced based on revenue.
However, financially, they really sound like they could be overstretched.
I have read about this 'period of exclusivity' but surly this exclusivity is meaningless if they can's stump up the cash needed to buy.

did anybody see the Overlap - Carragher said the Forst owner actually wanted to send the Tweet out at half time, so after the first two inccident. That's why we saw it almost as soon as the final whistle had been blow.
There's been a lot of condemnation about them doing it after the game. A hell would have broke lose if it happened during a game. Trying to influence officials mid game - now that's worthy of point deductions itself.
The owners a loon. 
 

The Independent Key Match Incidents Panel found that only 1 of the three penalty incidents was incorrect - the third one.
Exactly how I saw it tbh. 

To be fair to Dyche, since August/Sept he has always asked the seasons body of work to be judged as a whole. Not to get carried away at the highs or to down about the lows. All outside influences aside we have been a solid a mid table club this year.
 

maybe just maybe they have got over Patto gate and have now simply moved on. 

If a team loses three or four positions in the table due to PSR, lets say lost out on £10M. Can you offset that in this year's accounts? 
Or will the PL make the argurement that Everton should have forseen that PL are a bunch of corrupt fuckers! 

To be fair to Dyche, since August/Sept he has always asked the seasons body of work to be judged as a whole. Not to get carried away at the highs or to down about the lows. All outside influences aside we have been a solid a mid table club this year.
 

To be fair to Dyche, since August/Sept he has always asked the seasons body of work to be judged as a whole. Not to get carried away at the highs or to down about the lows. All outside influences aside we have been a solid a mid table club this year.
 

To be fair to Dyche, since August/Sept he has always asked the seasons body of work to be judged as a whole. Not to get carried away at the highs or to down about the lows. All outside influences aside we have been a solid a mid table club this year.
 

As far as I know the season runs from August to May, but if you want to talk about an arbitrary run of games, how about the twelve immediately before those three months? 
In those three months we had an 8-1-3 record, twenty-five points, nearly 2.1 ppg which over the season (to date) would put a team staying at that level on seventy-three points, above Liverpool.
Five games since the bad spell? Twelve points at 2.4 ppg, that over thirty-five games would put a team on eighty-four, strong title favourites.
The whole season thus far, again leaving out the thirteen game run (but including the crap start)...12-2-8, just over 1.7 ppg giving a very respectable total of sixty points with three to play (we qualified for the CL with 61), and an almost certain European place.
None of all that is particularly relevant of course, because the season takes thirty-eight games, but it's all just as relevant as the winless streak some can't make a post without referencing. 
If you want to be down in the dumps about a third of a season then fair enough, go for it, but following the same logic we should be dancing in the streets about the other two thirds
And we're not, because we're being realistic.

sounds to me like Dyche dished out some home truth that everybodies got to get are shit together, pull together and roll up sleeves to get this job done themselves. No magic wand coming. 
Fair do's to his management of them and fair do's to the players for rolling those sleevs up. 4 wins in 5 is good going when your under the kosh. 

If a team loses three or four positions in the table due to PSR, lets say lost out on £10M. Can you offset that in this year's accounts? 
Or will the PL make the argurement that Everton should have forseen that PL are a bunch of corrupt fuckers! 

I agree with those who are championing have a bit of stability in the management department. At the moment there is very little continuity at this club, so wouldn't change the management team unless we absolutely have to. 
 
I think Dyche has done much better than most of the managers we have had in the Moshiri period with much fewer resources and he's had a lot more issues and problems to deal with. Not a high benchmark I must admit, but there has and very much still is over ridding reasons why managers struggle here. I wouldn't doubt any replacement manager coming would find the Everton job easy.
I don't think there have been that many bad performances (5-6 maybe), they may not have been asthetically pleasing, but most haven't been stinkers, I still think we actually deserved more wins/draws that we have ended up with to date. I don't think we have been riding our luck in the games in which we have got results, most points won have been deserved. In an alternative universe when point deductions don't exist and you get a little be more of the rub of the green, we could have just as easy have been in a push for a European spot. Just off the top of my head I still don't understand how Fulham, Wolves and Luton stole 9 points off us at home in the first few weeks of the season - Boom, just considering those 3 games and no points deduction - performance wise we could easily be sitting 8th with 50 points. All ifs and buts, but we have not been far off getting the points West Ham and even Newcastle has to there name this season. 
If we hadn't be artificially 'stuck' in the relegation zone all season, there would be very little talk of swapping Dyche out next season.   

sounds to me like Dyche dished out some home truth that everybodies got to get are shit together, pull together and roll up sleeves to get this job done themselves. No magic wand coming. 
Fair do's to his management of them and fair do's to the players for rolling those sleevs up. 4 wins in 5 is good going when your under the kosh.