Fiorentina (home) 2nd Leg

[jofanon]

I was a little disappointed with Anichebe last night to be honest. He offered very little. We really needed someone to inject fresh energy and he didn't really do it.

 

We really needed to bring Vaughan's pace and enthusiasm on. Shame he has no knees.

[VaeVictis]

Played one of the best games you can remember? do me a favour. I thought we played better against City and Sunderland to name but two off the top of my head. The bottom line is we lost. That's a fact. We tried hard and played well, but we lost to, imo, an inferior team so excuse me if I don't hang the flags out. We're level on points with Liverpool, they comfortably beat the top team in Italy whilst we lost to the 4th best team in Italy. Big Whup.

 

hi there,

let me explain something that looking just on scoreboard or position may not be caught by you all.

Inter was first but THIS year receive a great amount of help by referees (italian trouble == referees subdued by big TEAM,

usually you can say Inter,Milan,Juventus being helped in varius kind of "little" things during all the league).

In a good polished italian league probably the ALMOST INVINCIBLE INTER was not so Invincible, cause many of their

defender and midfielder are very HARD with tackle and (ITALIAN) referees let them do it, instead you can't touch an

INVINCIBLE attacker cause they fall down and usually penalty and redscard are good solutions to help this hatred teams.

So, you can see, when they go around europe they have to face the truth, their HELPED attitude came out clearly,

as their defender and midfielder doing stupid faulty tackle and being bought out early, leaving the team to defend in 10

and obviusly crying about bad referees (bad? sure? ) as you was able to see, inter and milan search for

help in referees.. is their fu##ing attitude..

 

Roma is playing a good soccer, fast passages and very good attacker, last year they were destroyed by ManUtd in

a similar game of yesterday (the one we play versus you) simply some of them fail to fight and the remnant fall

down awed by the phisics , high stamina , tackle and higher rithm of game that they can't sustain... those 7 goals was fun

for us (we don't love roma) and yesterday when you scored first i have a bad feeling...

our Viola players (yesterday in a bad red shirt... that you like the bulls don't like so much.. ) fail to play his kind of

soccer, but try to hold off and resist your relentless assault, we suffer but we resist, and in some situation (when enraged

Pazzini come in) we where dangerous for you, ok not so much, but much more than what you (honestly) do in Florence,

where we ruled you and 2 goals seem so poor to us.

 

So the game was really a good match for me, and i put off the TV at the start of penalty lottery, cause i hate those

freaking penalties.. i set an alarm to 20 minutes later and reput the TV on just to see Prandelli (Our Cesar!) happy,

so i know, we win.

We have lot of penalty specialist, Pazzini, Montolivo, Osvaldo, Mutu, Santana, Cacia and others, probably this save

our day and doom yours, but i think we don't deserve the Tag = Poor, cause if you say so, you have short memory

last week we ruled you all, and you appear poor to us.

Also, you recover your fantasy Arteta, we are both the leg without our First Class Player Adrian Mutu, 100% of

distilled fantasy and soccer skill.

I hope to find Bayern now, and put Toni out of the run... after we can exit and i have a big smile the same.

 

Best wishes again,

you appear a sort of Fiorentina from what i read of you, not a big Helped team, but a little team with a very

big heart. i like you hope to find you again next year in CL

[Guest once-a-blue!]

Villarreal won the group that ManU finished last in and only went out in the semi to Arsenal that year.

 

This year we're in contention for fourth place, which makes us contenders. Check your dictionary. Then fuck off back to whichever red site you crawled out from.

 

 

Sorry - forgot to put the word "serious" in front of contender and get real, Villareal were a far better team last year than the one that beat Everton home and away in a qualification round.

[MikeO]

Sorry - forgot to put the word "serious" in front of contender and get real, Villareal were a far better team last year than the one that beat Everton home and away in a qualification round.

 

The year they got to the semi knocking out ManU on the way was the year they somewhat luckily knocked us out. If you were an Evertonian you'd know that. If you want to carry on pretending to be one then do your research before you post.

 

I'm sure there's a name psychologists use for people going on the internet pretending to be what they're not, can't think of it at the moment, inadequate little shits will do though.

[Romey 1878]

Howard - Class

Neville - Class

Yobo - Class

Jagielka - Class

Lescott - Class

Arteta - Class

Osman - Class

Carsley - Class

Pienaar - Class

AJ - Class

Yak - Class

Anichebe - Donkey.

 

Other than Vic I can't fault any of our players for their play and commitment last night. They played with the heart and skill that was sadly lacking in the first leg. I have no idea how they kept running like it was the first few minutes for the whole game. We should have had them finished off in the proper game time though, and killing off games is what we need to work on. Once it went to penalties I knew we wouldn't go through because we are the England of the domestic game on penalties. For all of our effort and a fantastic performance we lost and we're out of the competition because some of our players bottled it when it really mattered and we have a keeper who isn't good at saving penalties. We'll come back stronger next year because of this experience I hope. COYB.

[Blue4Ever]

Other than Vic I can't fault any of our players for their play and commitment last night.

Have to agree, Vic was a total joke last nite, he didnt look bothered and walked round for the whole time he was on.

 

we were unlucky, Howard needs to practice his kicks because they were shite all night.

 

Osman was class, for slow player he goes past players with ease and was by far the best player yesterday

 

I liked the look of there defensive midfielder Donadel id be made up if we could get him, he was cool on the ball and could pass a ball, something we need in the middle.

[CraccerC]

tbh mark, didn't think a great deal of yakubu, everyone else was great, he did hold the ball up well once or twice, but didn't do too much otherwise...

[carlmc25]

that wasn't obvious at all since it wasn't recent, and we weren't even that great in the 7-1 either, did you see the game? we scored 7 but didn't dominate and dictate the game like we did last night, and theres a massive difference between sunderland and fiorentina for fucks sake.

 

. me use my brain, use yours of whatever the fuck you have between your ears. you're a twit, and if you think last night we weren't brilliant then you're a fucking tool.

 

you're a waste of time mate, you're clearly deluded.

Why, because I don't agree with you? and can you lay off the swearing, is there really any need - you should be able to articulate a response without swearing every other sentence like some intellectually challenged buffoon. The difference is, I knew Fiorentina weren't all that good, so it didn't surprise me we totally dominated them, especially (as Inter recently proved) Italians usually just sit back and try and defend away from home, especially when they have a lead. A lot of people seemed to think that Fiorentina were some great shakes, poor old Everton, I actually always thought we were a better team than them and winning 2-0 or more was well within the realms of possibility. We played well, commitment was 100% and inspiring, but the longer the game went on the less we looked like scoring. Anichebe should have come on earlier for Yakubu imo and we might have won.

Edited March 13, 2008 by carlmc25

[Romey 1878]

Anichebe should have come on earlier for Yakubu imo and we might have won.

 

 

Why? Did you not see how awful he was when he did come on? I couldn't have stood watching him lumber about for any longer than I had to last night. The thing that pissed me off about him last night is that there were players around him who had been on for the whole game and were still putting 100% in and running around like it was still the first few minutes, and then you have him come on and trot around and look knackered after a couple of minutes. His short 'performance' was a disgrace.

[CraccerC]

Why, because I don't agree with you? and can you lay off the swearing, is there really any need - you should be able to articulate a response without swearing every other sentence like some intellectually challenged buffoon. The difference is, I knew Fiorentina weren't all that good, so it didn't surprise me we totally dominated them, especially (as Inter recently proved) Italians usually just sit back and try and defend away from home, especially when they have a lead. A lot of people seemed to think that Fiorentina were some great shakes, poor old Everton, I actually always thought we were a better team than them and winning 2-0 or more was well within the realms of possibility. We played well, commitment was 100% and inspiring, but the longer the game went on the less we looked like scoring. Anichebe should have come on earlier for Yakubu imo and we might have won.

 

ill lay off the swearing when you lay off the fucking crack or whatever it is making you type this bullshit.

 

oh yeh, anichebe had a massive impact, i'm convinced by your garbage you didn't watch the game, regardless of whether or not you say you did

 

fuck fuck mother mother fuck fuck

Edited March 13, 2008 by CraccerC

[EvilG]

(Firstly theres our European record of played 9 won 7 drew 1 lost 1 which has doubled our uefa coefficient in one season.)

 

 

I made an error but as nobody picked up on it i'll correct myself,

 

We played ten games in europe and won eight.

 

One thing I didn't realise is Fiorentina had already been involved in a penalty shoot out this season in the 1st round.

 

MikeO thanks for the info about the fair league table, it actually look very healthy from an everton perspective.

[Ian]

What a game.

 

The atmosphere was superb last night, one of the best in a long time. Not one person sat down throughout, I would love for these sort of nights to become the norm.

 

As for the match we gave it our all. Maybe we should have converted one of the other chances we had but they done brilliantly to get back in contention (Fiorentina are no mugs)

 

Every single player out there played out of their skin last night (with the exception of Big Vic, who looked fucked before he touched the ball). Phil Neville was superb, he delivered alot of dangerous balls into the box (I never thought i would say that). Osman was my Man Of The Match, ive never seen him play with so much desire and commitment. Every Everton player stood up and played though. I was a very proud blue last night.

 

We lost and it is a big blow but its great to see how far we have come. We nearly (and possibly should) have gone through agaisnt one of the top sides in Italy. Its more experience for the lads and I think our european adventours will become more frequent.

 

Hopefully there are plenty more of those sort of performances before the end of the season. Lets get that 4th spot blues.

 

COYB - NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM

[carlmc25]

 

Why? Did you not see how awful he was when he did come on? I couldn't have stood watching him lumber about for any longer than I had to last night. The thing that pissed me off about him last night is that there were players around him who had been on for the whole game and were still putting 100% in and running around like it was still the first few minutes, and then you have him come on and trot around and look knackered after a couple of minutes. His short 'performance' was a disgrace.

He was poor yes, but then so was Yakubu for 120 minutes and to be fair to Anichebe, the players were all knackered by the time he came on and no crosses came in for him to attack etc. Also, Moyes had Anichebe warming up well before the end of normal time (from memory, just before Arteta scored) and it looked as though he'd be coming on - sometimes when you get yourself all fired up to come on and then all of a sudden you have to sit back down for 20 mins the adrenaline has gone and you're left feeling flat. When Anichebe wasn't brought on you could see how cheesed off he was on the bench. Fiorentina struggled in the air off set-pieces all night, if we had someone with some height up front it may have made a difference. It may not have, but personally I thought Yakubu was so poor/borderline lazy that he should have been off well before the end.

[c1982]

Isnt the yak ment to be a good penalty taker the fuckin twat!

 

Everton once again clearly didnt do enough to go through yes credit for the two goals but when u get chances u have to take them and that includes penalty shoot-outs. Have Everton ever won a penalty shot-out in the past decade?

 

It's comments like this where you question the intelligence/mentality of some fans! If you were heard in gwlady's last night shouting this you would have been a very unpopular figure - we didn't sit down all night, we supported the lads we didn't put them down- and on reflection you still can't put them down. Every one of them worked their ass' off for the badge - they were a credit. I didn't leave Goodison park depressed last night - I wanted to be down because we had just lost - but that display is a credit - as good as I've seen and certainly one of the best atmosphere's I've ever experienced. To get on a players back like this is a fucking disgrace - "Yakubu's a fucking twat" - you hang your head in shame the next time the yak pulls on the blue shirt and continues his fine form for Everton Football Club.

 

The one blessing is - you weren't at the game - fans like you don't deserve to experience moments like last night.

[jamiemaher85]

He was poor yes, but then so was Yakubu for 120 minutes and to be fair to Anichebe, the players were all knackered by the time he came on and no crosses came in for him to attack etc. Also, Moyes had Anichebe warming up well before the end of normal time (from memory, just before Arteta scored) and it looked as though he'd be coming on - sometimes when you get yourself all fired up to come on and then all of a sudden you have to sit back down for 20 mins the adrenaline has gone and you're left feeling flat. When Anichebe wasn't brought on you could see how cheesed off he was on the bench. Fiorentina struggled in the air off set-pieces all night, if we had someone with some height up front it may have made a difference. It may not have, but personally I thought Yakubu was so poor/borderline lazy that he should have been off well before the end.

Yak was not poor for the whole game, he just had no joy with his final shots. He held the ball up well, played a few really good balls, had a few good runs with the ball. His movement off the ball was good as well, moving into positions for attacks. Did you go to the game or just see it on the telly? I watched the replay of the whole game on itv4 today and you didn't get a fair view of him as you don't see what he is doing off the ball. If Vic came on and lit the game up then you would have a point, but he looked poor when he came on so you really have nothing. I would not take Yak off, he is one of our greatest threats. Please start talking sense

[Josh Berno]

It's comments like this where you question the intelligence/mentality of some fans! If you were heard in gwlady's last night shouting this you would have been a very unpopular figure - we didn't sit down all night, we supported the lads we didn't put them down- and on reflection you still can't put them down. Every one of them worked their ass' off for the badge - they were a credit. I didn't leave Goodison park depressed last night - I wanted to be down because we had just lost - but that display is a credit - as good as I've seen and certainly one of the best atmosphere's I've ever experienced. To get on a players back like this is a fucking disgrace - "Yakubu's a fucking twat" - you hang your head in shame the next time the yak pulls on the blue shirt and continues his fine form for Everton Football Club.

 

The one blessing is - you weren't at the game - fans like you don't deserve to experience moments like last night.

 

Oh shut up i only said isnt he meant to be a good penalty taker which he is aparantly. Yes the whole team played well I was simply making the point that the yak is meant to be a good penalty taker.

 

I dont know why your taking this huge flip i was just frustrated and if I would have been in the right frame of mind I would have credited the whole team but its peole like you who want to pick people up on pure frustration. Yes I may not have been at the match but so what there was probably more people watchin it than at the game. If there was a VC for football I think everyone who contributed to our Cup journey should be given one everyone was smashing. But before you make stupid acusations think about how other people felt or feeled at that time!

[carlmc25]

Yak was not poor for the whole game, he just had no joy with his final shots. He held the ball up well, played a few really good balls, had a few good runs with the ball. His movement off the ball was good as well, moving into positions for attacks. Did you go to the game or just see it on the telly? I watched the replay of the whole game on itv4 today and you didn't get a fair view of him as you don't see what he is doing off the ball. If Vic came on and lit the game up then you would have a point, but he looked poor when he came on so you really have nothing. I would not take Yak off, he is one of our greatest threats. Please start talking sense

I've been to many games, you get a better view from tv to be honest, you can remain more impartial and unbiased and Yakubu wasn't very good. Talk sense? I don't really see how you can argue with me saying bring on Anichebe after about 70 minutes, after 70 mins we were 2-2 on aggregate, we finished 2-2 and went out on pens. We played another 50 minutes and didn't score, what possible harm could it have done to bring on Anichebe earlier, we can't do any worse than lose? The only possible outcomes are tha we would have either still lost, or we may have won - so in reality my plan had a 50/50 chance of doing better that what you're saying, so how am I wrong exactly?

 

The atmosphere and the effort from the players (Yak aside) was absolutely phenomenal, I am not complaining at all about the performance (especially as Cahill wasn't fit) only Moyes decision not to bring off Yakubu, who had a poor game. What I am also saying is, the effort was phenomenal, but if - like you said - you watch the game back, it wasn't the prettiest of performances. I think we could have been a bit more patient and worked the ball a bit more, it was a bit too get the ball forward gung ho, but hey, it nearly worked. I am Moyes biggest supporter, and one of Yakubu's - all you have to do is look back through my posts, I take no pleasure in saying I think Moyes got his substitutions wrong, but I do. I'll leave it there, as to be honest I wasn't all that bothered about the UEFA anyway, as long as we push for that 4th spot, I'm just more worried that the 120 mins would have taken a lot out of us.

Edited March 13, 2008 by carlmc25

[Bill]

I take no pleasure in saying I think Moyes got his substitutions wrong, but I do.

 

is that an oxymoron. ??

[carlmc25]

I take no pleasure in saying I think Moyes got his substitutions wrong, but I do.

 

is that an oxymoron. ??

possibly! but you know what I mean!

[Blue 250]

Well he got Gravo spot on needed a penalty taker.......Gravo was first choice....Anichebe! Well didn't we all think he was our european lucky charm......other than that who could you take off, they were all playing really well....and who were on the bench?

 

Vaughan, Fernandes and Cahill on the bench would have been nice!

 

Then you still have to pick the right one..........come to think of it though!!I bet they can all take a penalty better than Jags!.....Better penalty takers on the night would have been nice.

 

Anichebe as a sub in Europe has in the past worked!!....Guess Moyes was just praying it would again.

[Bill]

Only joking Carl, i knew what you meant, its just that it looked strange.

[carlmc25]

Only joking Carl, i knew what you meant, its just that it looked strange.

yeah I know! gets interesting again now, AJ played far better than Yak last night, although he still could have shot a bit more and could have scored another couple of goals - and I assume Cahill is back for the weekend? What formation will Moyes play, away from and knackered players I can only assume a 451, but will it be Yak or AJ. I think Yak is by far the better striker, but on current form I'd feel a little sorry for AJ if he missed out.

[c1982]

Oh shut up i only said isnt he meant to be a good penalty taker which he is aparantly. Yes the whole team played well I was simply making the point that the yak is meant to be a good penalty taker.

 

I dont know why your taking this huge flip i was just frustrated and if I would have been in the right frame of mind I would have credited the whole team but its peole like you who want to pick people up on pure frustration. Yes I may not have been at the match but so what there was probably more people watchin it than at the game. If there was a VC for football I think everyone who contributed to our Cup journey should be given one everyone was smashing. But before you make stupid acusations think about how other people felt or feeled at that time!

 

You didn't credit the whole team though - it's these people who aren't in the right frame of mind who go to get on the players backs the moment there's the slightest slip-up. It pisses me off how quickly people forget how well someone has done for us - especially yak and nev - one miss placed pass or miss control and they're "fucking shite" - I'm not saying it's you lad - but it pisses me off at the matches how quick people are to get on someones back, some people must pay to go and have a good moan.

[jamiemaher85]

I've been to many games, you get a better view from tv to be honest, you can remain more impartial and unbiased and Yakubu wasn't very good. Talk sense? I don't really see how you can argue with me saying bring on Anichebe after about 70 minutes, after 70 mins we were 2-2 on aggregate, we finished 2-2 and went out on pens. We played another 50 minutes and didn't score, what possible harm could it have done to bring on Anichebe earlier, we can't do any worse than lose? The only possible outcomes are tha we would have either still lost, or we may have won - so in reality my plan had a 50/50 chance of doing better that what you're saying, so how am I wrong exactly?

 

I really think that is crap. I always feel that you get a much better view of the game when you actually see it live. You get a better feel of how the whole team is playing together.

 

And as for the Yak Vic thing, I don't think that Yak played as badly as your stating, Vic is a far poorer player and made no real impact when he came on, and I don't think that he would made a huge impact if he had come on at 70 mins.

[Romey 1878]

He was poor yes, but then so was Yakubu for 120 minutes and to be fair to Anichebe, the players were all knackered by the time he came on and no crosses came in for him to attack etc. Also, Moyes had Anichebe warming up well before the end of normal time (from memory, just before Arteta scored) and it looked as though he'd be coming on - sometimes when you get yourself all fired up to come on and then all of a sudden you have to sit back down for 20 mins the adrenaline has gone and you're left feeling flat. When Anichebe wasn't brought on you could see how cheesed off he was on the bench. Fiorentina struggled in the air off set-pieces all night, if we had someone with some height up front it may have made a difference. It may not have, but personally I thought Yakubu was so poor/borderline lazy that he should have been off well before the end.

 

 

Tbh his effort and commitment have got jack shit to what the players do around him. He came on and could not be arsed, hardly the right signal to send out is it? He's 19 years old and he looked shattered after only a few minutes, that in my eyes is poor. I don't particularly rate him as a player but his energy levels annoy the crap out of me, they take the piss.

[jofanon]

I think everyone must have been watching different games, no one seems oto agree.

 

I thought Yakubu played well! I thought he looked dangerous and caused them quite a few problems (as did AJ).

 

I was very disappointed with Anichebe though. Here is your chance to turn around a massive game at the age of 19 and he couldn't be bothered. With his power he should have really put himself about and done some damage. I think it was the right subsituion by Moyes to make but the player was shite.

 

Perhaps we don't have the options we need from the bench after all? Vaughan would have been the man to bring on to create some hussle and stretch some tired defenders.

[Blue 250]

I think everyone must have been watching different games, no one seems oto agree.

 

I thought Yakubu played well! I thought he looked dangerous and caused them quite a few problems (as did AJ).

 

I was very disappointed with Anichebe though. Here is your chance to turn around a massive game at the age of 19 and he couldn't be bothered. With his power he should have really put himself about and done some damage. I think it was the right subsituion by Moyes to make but the player was shite.

 

Perhaps we don't have the options we need from the bench after all? Vaughan would have been the man to bring on to create some hussle and stretch some tired defenders.

 

You weren't alone with being disappointed with Anichebe!....BUT, look what you wrote!

 

"Here was Anichebe's chance to TURN AROUND a MASSIVE game at the AGE of 19"

Plenty of experienced pro's wouldn't have been able to change any game, let alone a massive one.

Anichebe's style will always attract critics ie lazy etc!.......maybe we expect too much from him.

Moyes is holding back Vaughan(even when he's fit), partly because of age and burn out!

People have started to accept Yakubu's workrate isn't his strongest point! a teenager like Anichebe must be given time to develop his style of play and learn his trade.

The way the whole team played that night ie the work rate, was always going to be a hard act to follow for Victor!

 

I MEAN ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS COME ON AND WIN THE GAME FOR US!

 

NOT ASKING TOO MUCH WAS IT!!!!

[jofanon]

You weren't alone with being disappointed with Anichebe!....BUT, look what you wrote!

 

"Here was Anichebe's chance to TURN AROUND a MASSIVE game at the AGE of 19"

Plenty of experienced pro's wouldn't have been able to change any game, let alone a massive one.

Anichebe's style will always attract critics ie lazy etc!.......maybe we expect too much from him.

Moyes is holding back Vaughan(even when he's fit), partly because of age and burn out!

People have started to accept Yakubu's workrate isn't his strongest point! a teenager like Anichebe must be given time to develop his style of play and learn his trade.

The way the whole team played that night ie the work rate, was always going to be a hard act to follow for Victor!

 

I MEAN ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS COME ON AND WIN THE GAME FOR US!

 

NOT ASKING TOO MUCH WAS IT!!!!

It's not what I meant, I don't expect a 19 year old to change the game for us. However, I do expect a 19 year old to be so excited and thrilled to be playing in a top game at the most exciting time of the game, to run his ass off and put himself about!

 

If I was was in his shoes I'd be thinking 'wow, I can really help my team here and win something amazing. I'll be seen as such a hero! Better give the defenders a torrid time!'

[jacko 1990]

i could garuntee Vaughan would give 110% if he came on

[MikeO]

i could garuntee Vaughan would give 110% if he came on

 

Are you JV under-cover jacko ?