Hafnia

1 minute ago, badaids said:

Lots to be positive about in his performance today.  Against a tough backline too.

Phenomenal really. 

Take a bow kid. Superb effort. Lone striker role at 19.......... well done 

Genuinely excited by chermiti. 19..... unbelievably strong for his age, great feet, can link up, superb touch and awareness. 

7 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Mathematically two (we just scored hopefully making this redundant).

If we get one we'll be nine points ahead of Luton, if they win their last three while we lose ours and they make up a seventeen GD deficit they'd be above us. Very likely.

The season has zapped that much out of me that I want to watch the remaining games with absolutely no interest. Until we're mathematically certain then I won't relax. 
 

tired of football tbh 
 

The cynic in me says the powers that be want us still needing results to secure safety. 

This is where var kills the game. Stupid 

Get in gana 

Chermiti can play 

Please let's just get the point we need 

This is piss poor so far.

Need to be sharper. Gana and the centre halves covering our arses so far. 

6 minutes ago, Matt said:

Luton are having to push every last game now, moreso than ever, so they'll be shipping goals all over the place. We're safe, they're not going to win their remaining by 4 and we're not going to ship 4 per game for this and the next 3 games and Forest are also not going to do the same. It's between those 2 now.

We aren't safe till we get a point. 

20 minutes ago, Matt said:

I was trying to be a lot more calm in my post because there's no point debating with you, so I'm just asking questions. I'm really not looking for a fight mate. If I seem overly positive maybe because you're overly negative? I honestly try to see the positive where I can because there's enough shit in the world and with the club that I need to see light at the end of the tunnel. That's largely what drives me patience.

No, I don't think he lost the squad. I think I underestimated the event and there was a falling out that was blown out of proportion. But back to back home wins with hard working performances tell me he didn't lose the dressing room, but he clearly fucked up. If he's been big enough to change in a way the squad have responded, then that shows me he is adaptable. Put it this way, we've had managers who would've just banished the dissenting players to the u21s or worse. Not sure I ever said we came back from the training trip a better squad, that would've been insane.

The players absolutely deserve the credit for the change, but then they were also largely at fault for for the shite run we had, i.e the shit passing argument pointed at Dyche. 

Just curious, how do you see the next 6 months going at the club?

Dissenting players? - I think when the likes of Tarkowski takes you aside to tell you to apologise - when the likes of Coleman speak out questioning why he's been stated as not being fit when he actually is then you don't have the ability to send players to the under 21s.

In short Matt he backed himself into a corner. Whats he gonna do? The fans were at breaking point with him and he knew it.   

I will be the first to call at players for not giving a shit - I believe these players do care and wanted to do well. 

The shit passing can absolutely be pointed at dyche and his staff. These players are poor on the ball not because they can't play - cos they are detrained. 

I don't know what the next 6 months will bring - if we are with Dyche then expect to see Westwood come in on a free and his type of player.  If we get money and the ability to invest in the sales of Onana etc then I want a new manager. 

11 minutes ago, Sev said:

These bastards refuse to lay down even if it will cost them.

2-1...... you've had good times.

One point needed 

2-1 ffs Luton come to life 

2-0 wolves lead Luton. 
 

hopefully this thread can be put to bed today. If it stays like this - we get a point back on appeal then we are ok. Other than that a draw will do. 

5 hours ago, Matt said:

Well your tone has gone from "hang him from his ginger bollocks, he's a bully, he's the worst" (paraphrasing, not looking for direct quotes) to patting him on the back for a job done after a couple of wins and saying he'll have done his job... But you're right, you're usually frustratingly stuck to your position  don't get me wrong, this version of posting is a lot more desirable!

Fair enough but that's more appealing to mercenaries, no? We've seen that enough over the last few years and that's more of a worrying proposition in my view; it's a large part of of the reason we are where we are. But we've done that part to death already.

See, I do see us needing him for another 2-3 years, unfortunately. Not because I want him to even though I think he could do more and deserves that chance. There's so much still going on which is going to take a lot longer than 12-14 months. When I've done Continuous Excellence implementations, for example, the sponsors and board understood that to change mentality whilst rolling with life's punches was a 10-20 year project. Partly due to external factors, but mostly down to staff churn - very hard to change a mindset of a group if you keep chopping and changing the mission and staff, almost impossible if you're constantly switching the team lead.

You don't think he lost the squad???

ffs this is the revisionist shite I can't stand. He slapped a player and made fun of the fact he didn't get the joke to the press - the team looked completely at odds and that Burnley game on the return was as bad as I've ever seen.    A great week hasn't made all the wrongs right Matt.... yeah great we can feel smug now after literally shitting ourselves looking at other teams games like I'm still doing now. 

you wanna post ultra positive stuff cos it makes you feel better about the club - fine, but I'm not having it that the team and management went away for training camp and came back better for it. 

whatever went on and the fallout from it - it was left to a group of players and management to sort out and from what I've seen the players have done the "change management".... Tarkowski telling the manager to apologise, the manager changing things he wouldn't change.

Dyche for my part deserves credit for being prepared to change - the players deserve credit for actually driving that change.

it will all come out one day no doubt about it.  If you want to understand that the players had had enough - look no further than Coleman. He loves the club more than anyone and he was not happy one bit and for him to come out and subtly challenge the manager says alot. 

6 hours ago, StatesideToffee14 said:

Leicester City clinched promotion back to the Premier League after Leeds United lost at QPR today 4:0. Leeds only has one match remaining while Leicester has 2 and is up 4 points on Leeds. Ipswich Town is 5 points behind Leicester and has a match in hand but would only be able to top Leicester for the points title in the Championship. 

Leicester start with a deduction don't they? Then another one incoming???

22 hours ago, Matt said:

I always laugh when you make his point. You're the poster with the most extreme posts in both ways, positive and critical, in my eyes 

He's absolutely a firefighter and the club is still on fire. Ironically, it's the only part of the club thats actually improved! I really don't see that settling next season or the season after after to be honest. With a change of owners coming, with a change of home, fire sale of the squad coming... I ask who, again, would be crazy enough and good enough to get this team performing better than a mid table club? I know you can't or don't want to name names but my point is that if you're so clear on the problems, I would assume there'd be some ideas about how or who to fix them would. 

I'm not aiming to dig or tease here. Genuinely curious to hear about alternatives as I keep hearing this complaint about things not being good enough but with no ideas on how to improve. Things like passing and finishing is 100% on the players, the manager isn't on the pitch and is putting tactics in place that has dramatically improved our defence whilst creating a lot more chances. I've no idea who does a better job with this squad in this situation.

Well if you want to define extreme polarities take the performances against Burnley and Chelsea (2 of the worst I have seen from Everton in 40 years) and compare them to the Derby and Forest. 

Its to dyches credit and the players that they recognised the severity of the situation and did something about it.  

The one thing I can say Matt is my barometer doesn't shift immediately and drastically like many. I give people a good chance before going both ways. The issues I spoke of in the 4 game run are still there, let's not get all giddy and pretend we don't have a side who look so poorly coached that they look off balance, flat footed and make up the passing as they go along.   The coaching of the players is as bad as it was with Rafa. 

As for potential managers, Matt - we pay managers at the top end of the scale.  If a manager signs for Everton he is essentially being told "it's £15m guaranteed".  Managers back themselves - most prefer a job where there is work to do where they can see quick wins to get credit in the bank and put them in a position of strength. Take the football managers yellow pages - 90% of them would be interested in managing our club.

if we survive this season I will be grateful to dyche and consider him a good hire.  Yeah - breaking Mike walkers record isn't great but it is what it is, most fans tolerated that because what other option do we have? Baines and the other coaches.
 

my hope is that our clubs future becomes sorted as soon as survival is secured - if I was a bidder I wouldn't move till I knew that we weren't losing £100m next year.  Depending on how that looks will define dyches future. 
 

if it's a "you haven't got much money to spend" then I expect him to stay and see us leave goodison. I don't expect him to see us move to Bramley. 

42 minutes ago, Btay said:

I hear what you are saying & I agree to an extent.

I have my issues with him & after Chelsea I found myself focusing on my issues with him more than what I think he does well.

Stepping back from it all though, he has actually done a far better job than we expected.

As for his style - he has never been in a position to build a squad, Burnley were skint & we haven’t given him anything to build anything. If a Martinez type coach took over Burnley before Dyche, they would go down. Kompany tried to play expansive football with them in the prem & they have been battered.

I’m not saying Dyche can do it but he deserves to be given a chance & hopefully these last 4 games he can try to get the team player a nicer brand of football.

If he has managed to turn a group of players around who he pretty openly admitted he had lost - then he has achieved more than most managers. 

The fact is people were saying "same old players getting another manager sacked" which I found bizarre.... unless dcl, Pickford and Coleman were  the legacy troublemakers..... which I don't believe for one second.  I think the reality is the players were able to convey that "this is shit - and this needs to change" and I think in the situation he was in he had to. 

there have been subtle tweaks, for me the Burnley game was awful and the Chelsea game was "oh you complained that want sugar in your tea did you...... how's about the 5 teaspoons see how you like it then" and had us pressing high against a fast breaking team. 

The derby match was the perfect balance of solid shape and discipline with energy to support dcl who did an outstanding job. 
 

7 hours ago, Matt said:

How is the ability of the international footballers to pass a ball on Dyche? Unless you think he's actively coaching them to be shit passers?

You don't want him here, you've made that clear in pretty much every thread since December, don't remember much prior to that. Meanwhile, I think he's progressed us quite a bit, despite the turmoil around the club, and think he deserves a crack with better players. You haven't managed to convince me until now that there is a better solution, I don't see anything has changed except we won our first home Derby in 14 years, have kept 11 clean sheets, have the 4th best defensive record in the league and should be sitting on a minimum of 41 points. Comparing that versus the last 2 seasons with pretty much the same squad, arguably weaker, and all the noise, that's impressive. Far from good enough, but a massive positive trend. 

Realistically speaking there's 2 options for next season in my eyes:

1) PSR/FFP will continue to screw us over meaning the squad isn't going to be improved upon and, whilst it's mostly ugly, Dyche has got us progressing in the right direction during these very challenging circumstances. So why change? 

2) We're somehow allowed to buy players but still have to be careful with spending, probably more bargain shopping as most sales profits will go to the books. Would you want a new manager in for that? Potentially and with good reasons. People (moreso than players I imagine) could say Dyche can't attract the players we want, let alone could potentially afford. But then who? I accept that we're still attractive with our history and the new stadium, but who takes us further than the last day relegation escapes to a midtable seaonal performance with less options and more pressure? I don't think we'd see this squad go on to a top 8 squad with anyone else, but who knows. Personally I don't think it's a gamble we need to take next season. I think, harsh as it is, that he gets 1 more season and if he doesn't improve further then we've a new manager for the new stadium. That's probably the best we can hope for with all things considered. 

The short of it is - he's limited. I championed him coming in so I don't need to learn about why we need him. I understand he's a firefighter. 

I'm responding to the suggestion that he couldnt be expected to do more with the players that he has.  I think it's quite clear that the players have had their say and given some candid feedback as he confirmed himself... fair play for him to do that.  I think it was last chance saloon though.  It's not a case of expecting him to become something he isn't - it's about being less rigid, less predictable.  He was doing the same thing match after match, the players looked beaten, the fans completely frustrated. It's not our best Everton side - but they aren't that shit to make them play like 1980s Cambridge United. 
 

I've not been too high on him and haven't been too low on him. The overreaction to our 4 game run was a bit cringey if I'm honest.  He justifiably could have gone after palace at home. The fact that fans haven't kicked off more is a credit. 

I said in another post that he's done what it says on the tin, for that he can be thanked.   Its not for us as fans to say who is good enough to replace him - yeah we could all go and plagiarise some footy hipsters review of some unknown South American league 2 manager who plays a new 33232 formation and will be the next city manager. Thats not our job but there are managers out there who would be chomping at the bit to manage in the PL.

23 minutes ago, Matt said:

Expansive? Either way, he's never had a budget or squad capable of much more than we're seeing. I'm still curious.

So international footballers can't be expected to pass a ball? 
 

sorry Matt, talking nonsense not talking about him playing like city, I'm talking about working on creating a couple of overloads here and there. 

42 minutes ago, Btay said:

I would like to hope he gets a good run of games next year to consolidate us as mid table and even look to expand on the style of football.

Take Everton out the equation -  If I was Sean Dyche I wouldn't change what I do, if I was a member of his family/coaching team I would say "why  are you changing a product that there will always be a need for to appease one customer who wants something better".  

its like a golfer with an ugly swing that hits it 50 yards shorter than everyone else..... doesn't win anything, doesn't get people watching him but he makes the cut at most tournaments and pulls in a few million a year and lives a great luxury life.    There will be people saying "make these changes to your swing and you will hit it longer and get lower scores and maybe win something".........  seen it a million times before - golfer gets lost in what they are being taught, it feels alien, they lose confidence and they lose their tour card and with that millions of pounds.

it sounds like I'm making the case to keep dyche and his tactics - I'm not.  I'm advocating hiring a manager who can coach a side to be a better team who can actually dominate and win games.  Dyche when he leaves us will get the likes of Leicester, Leeds, or clubs being relegation threatened offering him good wages and hefty survival bonuses - because he will do the ugly stuff better than most like Allardyce. 

For me dyche isn't the manager to take us to where we want to be but he has stopped us going where we don't want to be. Thats fine, but I don't think he is the type of person to become expensive. It's not him.