Hafnia

Tried to play on. What a man. 

I was expecting Tarkowski to say:-

"yeah he gave us home truths and we gave him a few back too - we told him his tactics were shit and he was rigid right down to that white shirt, it all needed to happen after he slapped Patto cos to be honest he can be a right dickhead and we were all pissed off"

2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I wonder if the club will be considering holding on to Branthwaite and just taking the hit of a points deduction.

I guess that would depend on just how much it would put us over. If it would only put us a small amount over then you'd have to consider it. If it leaves us massively over then obviously it would be out of the question.

Bold statement.... but without branthwaite I think we would have gone down.  I really don't think our defence would be anywhere near as solid as it was with Keane instead of him - like I'm talking 20 goals. Call it 12 points min - put a price on that if you can. 

Rate him so highly. Best centre half I've seen for us and I watched ratcliffe onwards.

Just now, patto said:

Next season everything will depend on recruitment we already know Onana and Branthwaite will leave so we have to replace them with players of equal talent and retain some money as well so it will be very hard to do. 
others that leave won’t be so significant probably 3 or 4. 

Replacing branthwaite is impossible. I'd like to think we could sell Onana, Maupay, and maybe a new buyer could see us with a big cash injection where we say "we will go heavy on transfers and take a fine next year" - bit extreme but we need to consider all options. 

Do the epl really want another season like this??? The point deductions have turned it into a game show... the sad answer is that the people running the game are clowns and have no self awareness.  

you only need to look at the premier league twitter account with what seems to be a teenage kopite running it. 

16 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

I guess this is the part that baffles me about this point of view.

We get hit with the largest points deduction in EPL history, and yet we still secure safety with 3 games to spare and will likely finish higher than we did the previous 2 seasons.

How is that not a success?

I think he explains why perfectly. 

nearly all will say job done and we got over the line and let's move on. imo Theres nothing to be celebrated - just relief.  4 months without a win and some truly awful football. 

we can have anger at the epl etc but the coaching and tactical side of things was poor.

we got over the line and we can be grateful that we never went down but that was an awful season for many reasons. The one solid consistent was the spirit of the fans fighting for the club. 
 

lets not start baiting people who have different expectations - it's an opinion. 
 

The furthest my conspiracy theory goes is that I believe it was from a lab.

we all know our bodies but the instantaneous loss of smell was weird, even now I get moments where I can smell cigarettes when no one is around. I sat watching tv and my heart rate went up to 130 bpm 2 weeks after I caught it. 
 

very strange disease 

22 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

In general they are about protecting the majority but the covid vaccine is not. It protects no one but yourself because you still get covid with it, it just lessens the symptoms for you, and you can still pass it on to other people.

Which is why anyone that doesn't/didn't want the covid vaccine should feel completely comfortable with that decision and not be made to feel guilty about.

Because of the job I do I was lucky enough to see how the vaccines worked.

Every single day I had to do analysis relating to absence across a large workspace.  Not long after vaccine roll outs begun there was another huge spike  that seemingly got alarmingly bigger by the day.... all of a sudden they started dropping rapidly and it became something we just live with now. 

I've had covid 3 times, vaccines don't stop you getting it - they teach your body how to fight it. 
 

I see people on social media gloating that they never took it and have "pure blood" and people who took it were sheep.  Then as soon as someone dies and a detailed post mortem isn't put out immediately they start putting syringe pictures up.  These are the type of people who go on holiday and look at weather reports for back home to try and make themselves feel right about going abroad.

bellends like le tissier really 
 

9 hours ago, RuffRob said:

i see, so a bit more to it than just making you shit at passing.

Ever heard the saying "don't skip leg day" - just replace leg with the word passing/possession. 
 

1 hour ago, Wiggytop said:

Really ? It seems to me you just do not want to accept that Dyche has done a really good job this season, ( and last on his arrival) on maintaining our PL status whilst dealing with all the off field shit we have had to endure.

If it was broken, where did three wins in 6 days with no goals conceded come from, a broken team wouldn’t have been able to do that. 
 

Time to give it a rest for your own sake, and mine, please.

Clearly just selected bits of what I've said haven't you mate. Got a bit frothy and agitated and due to that I've got to make another post where I say "Dyche gets a big tick for job done"

I'll try and do an abridged version just for you in case you lose what it is I'm saying...

he got the job done, big thanks, well done. However I hope he learns from this cos I believe the fact that the players actually care about the club and the fans meant they were convey what needed to change.

hope this helps

2 hours ago, patto said:

The only reason they leave Liverpool is money pure greed Liverpool don’t need a huge rebuild they have 4 or 5 academy players ready for the first team. 

Allison, Vvd and Salah were the biggest changes to their team from a transformation perspective. 
 

I remember thinking when I seen them "they will win multiple leagues", fortunately I actually think they have under delivered. 

Just now, Romey 1878 said:

I love that we fucked up Sky's plan. Lets face it, that's why our game against Luton is on the tv on Friday.

They thought it would be a relegation decider. Instead, it's now a bit of a damp squib.

Which I think is why they needlessly and extensively looked at chalking off our goal. 

10 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Yeah.

Can we also have a Total Cunt button? That would be superb too

Double up on the brown nosing and I'm sure things could be looked at

2 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Glad you said that...I was starting to think I'd missed something.

Although I don't think he struggled as such. I thought he did OK considering it was his first start etc. Decently OK.

Plenty of energy and enthusiasm to start with. Thought that faded in the 2nd half...as expected. It's bound too.

But I can't remember seeing anything that made me think 'Wow, what a kid'!

Hope he gets more chances though. Like any player, needs a run in the team.

I think you are underestimating how difficult it is playing lone striker feeding off scraps with Doucoure struggling to be on your wavelength. 

19 year old kids don't put performances in like that. No he wasn't dcl vs Liverpool - but relevant to his experience it was superb.

Just now, Romey 1878 said:

I didn't think he was shit by any means, but I didn't come away from the game thinking he must play again.

I liked his flick for Doucoure in the first half, it was very tidy, but I thought he struggled physically for most part.

I don't think he's where we want him to be - but in terms of his top level exposure that was a pretty amazing performance for a lad so young. 
 

The positions he took were great, strong in his duels, needs work on his speed but looks so well rounded.  His blocked volley looked like it was going bottom corner. 
 

brentford can keep Maupay 

2 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

just because a team focuses on the more non possession style of football doesn't mean the coaching staff would go about somehow trying to 'detrained' the players on how to pass a ball. I am sure the will be doing all sorts passing drills. Is detraining players of a particular skill even a thing? 

Possession based footballs great when you have a squad full of the worlds best players, only 5 - 6 teams are particular good at dominating the ball, the rest, it actually makes them quite vulnerable. 

Possession play - sub-standard maybe, but our defensive qualities have been championship chasing quality. Pickford has second most clean sheet this season, only the top three have conceded less goals. Something solid to build from.

 

 

If you don't drill players consistently then they lose the mental sharpness to do the tasks you expect.  Detraining is usually referred to as a physical output thing.  It's real in terms of technical elements. 

2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I thought he mostly struggled in all honesty.

Worth watching back. 
 

very very subtle and clever. One touch lay offs, won a fair few headers. For 19 in his first premier league start against a very good centre half in pinnock he did very well. 

1 minute ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Haf, I see your points. I do. The general style of play for large chunks of the season has been hard to watch, he did lose the dressing room at one point, and he is stubborn to a fault a lot of the time.

However, I would count this season as a wild success. Romey just posted in the longest thread, but when you consider everything happening off the pitch and even STILL we're in 15th with 3 games to spare?

He deserves all the praise for what he's accomplished

Overall - all said and done it's a big tick.  

if he and his team sit down over a few beers and they are honest - they will give a huge sigh of relief and say "we got away with one there".  I would like to think they have an idea of the individuals they need to thank for getting the players together. 

i genuinely knew that the team was broken when i watched the game vs Burnley and was absolutely convinced after the Chelsea game. The slap incident and press conference had me shaking my head in disbelief - in a perverse way it's probably helped rescue the season.

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall, dyche I believe had to eat humble pie. The tracksuit for me was a very revealing piece of psychology - "I can change".

it could spell good things going forward if all people concerned learn from it. 

26 minutes ago, Palfy said:

A big rebuild job needed there when the next manager comes in, I can see another Man Utd in the making

A few of their players have checked out, Salah will be off, I think vvd will be too. 

9 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I really don't know why some were so worried about Luton.

We didn't even pick up our first point until the fourth game of the season. Our first win didn't come until the sixth game of the season. We went 14 games without winning a game. We had two points deductions that took two wins and a draw off us. And still Luton couldn't get ahead of us in the league.

We have won double the amount of games they have but, please, tell me how much better they are than us.

Hopefully there'll be less flapping from some of our fans next season .

Yeah it's almost as though you never started flapping when they were 3-0 up vs Newcastle and you weren't watching their games with an element of concern.

they should never have been a concern with the injuries they had. 

Hopefully next season we don't play football like our team is on a collective wage bill less than of Doucoure and put together for less the price of Beto. 
 

I'm happy to root for Burnley to survive now to see those pair of poverty chanting Tory lovers down 

Gone for chermiti.  Was a very difficult role to step into and he did it superbly. Deserved his ovation 

4 hours ago, Newty82 said:

Best way

Wipe your face mate ffs brown nosing at is very very best.   
 

can we have a brown nose vote button? Be a superb introduction 

59 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

utter claptrap. players are not being 'detrained'.

 

Tell me why they haven't?  

you can't tell me that our passing and general play has been anything other than sub standard for the majority of the season.  Rafa did it to the players, 

I repeat - these players can play football, maybe not Man City levels but they can play. The inability to do it is cos they aren't drilled. 

On 31/07/2023 at 18:24, Hafnia said:

What’s his first touch like? 

Class. Player this kid. 

Onana..... talent in abundance but brain lacking