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and don't the PL also appoint the people who will site on the independant commission? I have read or heard that somewhere as well.

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/leeds-united-update-compensation-claim-28147847

Interesting article on the potential compensation claims. 

The independent commission's head, David Phillips KC, claimed that he was "satisfied that the applicant clubs have potential claims for compensation", but that they'd need to wait for the ruling of the appeal first. He added: "Those claims and their validity depend on whether the complaint is upheld.

"They depend on factual circumstances concerning the causation of any loss and they depend on other factual issues. If the complaint is upheld, the commission may wish to award compensation to one or more of the applicant clubs.

"If the complaint is upheld, the Premier League must provide a copy of the decision to the applicant clubs forthwith. Within 28 days of receipt of a copy of the decision, each applicant club must inform the commission whether it wishes to pursue a claim for . . . compensation."

One thing is for sure - thank fuck this punishment didn't come in to effect in May last season or the season before - or we would be arguing this point as a Championship team. We dodged that bullet.

Dyche took over this team in a very similar postion at the end of January last season. This year it is the middle of November, we have a much better balanced squad and there are three weaker teams in the PL this season. 

Lets hope this galvaninses the club from top to bottom.  

The biggest problem it is all being made up as we go along and the whole thing is a fucking joke. What happens to our club is basically going to be decided off the pitch by some faceless third parties.

We have got unlucky as a club in trying to better ourselves, poor signings, player injuries, player arrests, COVID, forced lose of main sponser due to a war and global swing in inflation just after the  committed start of a major stadium build. These all in there own right have a detrimental cost the club. FFP to us is simply third parties putting a boot in when you are on the ground.

What is the ture spirit of FFP? Feels like its long lost to me.

Even if this is a thing where we can be sued, then to be honest the only two teams the might have a case is:

1. Burnley 3rd bottom (21/22) and

2. Leicester 3rd bottom (22/23).

However, Everton could then only have been punished in one of these seasons. It would not be possible to be relegated from the Premiership two back to back seasons, so a choice would have to be made which season do you retrospectievly look at, as you couldn't simply apply it to both and then also 10 point deduction this seaons on top. 

I think it all bullshit anyhow and just re hashed stories from last seaosn when other teams thought they would be in a relegation battle so put there hat in the ring last year to get our finances looked at by the PL in the hope it gets them out of the shit, but its all happened to late for them now. Punishment has now been dished out this season - period. 

Realistically any sueing should be between suing clubs and PL if deemed an untimely and chaotic resolution. i.e they simply don't know what they are doing with these rules they have layed down.

8 hours ago, Johnsy said:

I've just read that it's actually FIVE suing us.

Leicester, Leeds, Southampton, Burnley and Forest.

Forest?? Cheeky fuckers! What possible reason could they have? Plus they must be sailing close the the FFP wind themselves having signed over a million players in the past 2 years

We play them after United. Hope we smash the cunts.

Funny you should say that - I think the original three that basically forced the PL to get the ball rolling on this Burnley, Leeds and Leicester are now by far the three team I most despise with the teams jumping on the bandwagon not far behind them. 

Those shit stirring fuckers going after a single club (which could basically ruin it) to try and feather their own  nests - Their name is shit in my eyes now and I hope the 'smell' of those clubs being 'shithoueses' followes them around to every set of opposition fans the play against. 

I am convinced they have causeed all of this. We have spent next to fuck all this past two years working with the PL, sorting out our FFP over what has been and still is a unusual period in global history. Even after this enquiry, the final FFP overspend is only £19.5M and even that seem to be down to subjective opinion of interest payments for the construction of a new stadium. 

Like you said I now want to see us smash those clubs each and every time we play them. I really hope this gives the team the ammunition to take the full 12 point of Burnley and Forest when we play them this season. I am sure our fans will be doing everything they can in these game to let these teams know what we think of them. 

Didn't hear from him for ages - and now you can't shut him up!!!

left alone, but supported by the board, I think Thewell and Dyche will develop in to a good partnership together. 

16 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

 

 

It takes a certain style of play to improve from 17th to 12th (which is about where I think we'll finish after points are docked). It will take a different style of play to improve from 12th to 8th, say, and a different style of play again to progress from there to top-6. Right now, we're on the first step of that journey. The style isn't pretty but it's increasingly effective. Let's rally around that for now and stop worrying about whether Dyche has the smarts to succeed with Steps 2 and 3. Maybe he does and maybe he doesn't, but that's for a future discussion and not for now. Currently, he appears to be succeeding with Step 1, which is more than we've witnessed in recent years.

I totally agree, patience is the key. We have been as low as you could go without getting relgated for two seasons in the row. We are building from a very low base, with lots of issue still going on at the club, we need proper stability first in place and like you said that simply step 1. As well as the football side of things Step 1 is now going to include the new owners becoming embedded in to the club and developing the processes they want to implement. It is also going to involve moving in to a new ground. There are massive once in generation (or even once in a lifetime) changes going to be happening this next couple of years.

I would much rather see a steady improvment of all things at the club over the next 4-5 seasons to build a strong but  sustainable football club. It's is steady hands and focused minded that are needed at the moment. I feel we have that with Dyche and Thelwell. 

I think it will come - as confidence and familiarity with each others game developed so will understanding and slickness - don't forget we are only 10 or so games in from the end of the transfer window. This team is fairly new really. 

To me what we are missing is maybe that composure and quality on the ball when we are in possession. Like others have said, rather than hoofing the ball up the pitch when we win the ball in our defensive third, we begin to play out under a little bit more composure and control. 

Dyche is going about it the rigth way - get the defensive part solid and then slowly add the bells and whistles once the basics and general shape become second nature. 

To me this is solid progression built on a proper foundation and I am sure our ability in posession will grow in the second part of the season and beyond. 

We are starting to look like a much more balanced squad. I would like to see Dyche and Thelwell worth together to bring more quality young back up over the next three or four windows. Generally, you have to give 17-18s year olds a good 2-3 years to mature in to players. 

I think Dyche is somebody who can work very well with a DoF and not be demanding player he wants for instant betterment. I think he is a man and manager who is not all personnal ego, and will work towards a longer term club stratergy. This is vital given where we are as a club  and where we want to be that we have to grow organically this time around.

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Amazing what can happen when you're missing key players...

yes, I was think this very much, up until the past couple of weeks Newcastle have had the rub of the green for best part of 18 months and seem to be riding a crest of the wave on all that good fortune across all aspect of that club.

Everton seem to have had the polar opposite. 

off days againt certain player are going to happen for a young developing player in his first proper season at Premiership level. what will be interesting is to see is how he does against Eze that next time they meet. 

 since Mykolenkos arrival this is the time he has played in anything like a stable side.

A lot of players from overseas struggle when the first come to the Premiership, and that's even without the fact you home country has been invaded, and many of your friends and family are now in a war.

I think he has been allowed to get up to the pace and strength of the Premiership defensivkey ŵithout having to worry to much about being and offensive threat.

I have always thought he had good technique to hit the ball and has the qualities to be better than his offensive showing to date. 

I am hoping that he has now settled as no.1 left back and can now grow further in this position. 

so please for the lad give how tough things must have really been since he's been here. 

we have gone from a team who used to shit the bed and lose games like this time and time again, and now become to a team who don't really like to lose. 

Far from being the best performance, but scored 3 away goals and still won after being pegged back twice.

a very satisfying result, and like somebody else said it feels like a 2 or 3 point correction to the 9 home points we didn't really deserve to lose.

on the games played his season I think we can solidly say we are a very solid mid table team at the moment. 

the kind of game that has draw written all over it. However, would be over the moon to nick all 3 points with a lucky win. That's doable given the form we are in. 

14 hours ago, StevO said:

Unpopular opinion; I like how we’re playing. Seeing fight from the players, starting to score a few goals, counter attacking. Nothing wrong with it for me. 
City are brilliant, but it bores me watching them. I never liked Pep’s Barca team either. 

I am totally with you.

I am also happy watching other teams have the lion share of the ball and be able to do fuck all with it against us and then every now and then press and battle them off the ball and counter attack at pace and with numbers - this gets the crowd off it's feet and the ground buzzing far more than tippy tapping around the pitch getting nowhere quick - this can lead to  frustration. 

Possesion based football if over rated unless you really are top teams doing it with great players at you disposal and winning week in and week out.   

I would rather be the good counter attacking team than be the team that other clubs counter attack against. It's fucking sole destroying having most of the possession to see the other team get the goals or have all the best changes.

These other Americans and Indian investors reportedly interested in Everton are a couple of months to late. If there was much substance to their interest surely they would have poke their heads up a lot earlier than now. 

To me it looks like 777 Partnership is on the home straight. I think as soon as the FFP punishment becomes known, then I think contracts will be signed and new owners will be on board within weeks if not days. 

On 07/11/2023 at 12:34, johnstockton said:

We should sell Ben Godfrey. He is only 183cm tall. He has not good passing, too. Only positive thing about his games is that he could cover right-back, center-back and left-back positions. At this moment we have good options on those positions. Also his wage is around 75,000 pounds per week.

Everton Players Salaries 2023/24

We should bring on his place new young center-back (one for the future).

https://www.90min.com/posts/tottenham-newcastle-considering-moves-ben-godfrey

It would be great to see him a player reborn and playing in a blue shirt. 

I think Dyche is a decent man manager, and I think he will have genuinely been a great support to him as he tries to get his career back on track. I think the hard working squad environment will do him the world of good.

I really hope that Spurs can come to some agreement with us. Hopefully they will realise we are genuinely on our arses moneywise and not taking the piss or trying to pull a fast one.

I think the 

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Preconceived? Not at all, I wanted him here despite knowing that his style is pretty imprinted and that for me his recruitment was to halt the downward trajectory. 
 

I expected the side to improve given that we had dcl return and money invested smartly in players and thelwell gave his vision and how things have had to be done. 
 

I didn’t simply say “sack the manager” as though he deserves sacking… I said that we need to be doing due diligence now so that we are in a position to replace him with the right person at the right time. 
 

I didn’t say bring a fashionable manager in either. Postecoglu wasn’t a fashionable manager and we likely could have got him. It’s about bringing a progressive manager, a manager fluid in his thinking and tactically flexible.  

yeah we seen the fallout of what happened to Liverpool when the exchanged Rodgers for klopp and spurs when exchanging conte for postecoglu. 

 

the biggest flaw I see in your argument is that you assume that if you stick Klopp or Postecogle in charge of this Everton squad it would mean you instantly get Liverpool and Spurs - it would be pretty far from it. In Klopps first season in charge of Liverpool I beleive they went backward 2 places in the league. That would see us relegated. We have NO margin for error.

The players in this sqaud are best set up for being solid out of possession, playing a big man upfront, getting crosses in or hitting teams on the counter attack.

Why, for the sake of it, put a manager in with a totally different playing style if you don't have money to solidly back him over two or three transfer windows to bring in 4-6 quality player to allow you to safely change the playing philosophy of a sqaud. We don't have the money to do this or have the luxury of being able to afford losing 2-3 places in the Premier league as this new style beds in. 

We need to become a solid mid table team first, get the new owners bedded in, stadium finished and our revenue streams all sorted first, before we should really be concerning oursevles massivly about having a manager who favours progressive football over effective football. 

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

the point I’m making is that if we get our signings and renewals smarter we shouldn’t even be in the conversation.  We need to be looking up rather than down, Dyche has undoubtedly made things better in that regard but I still don’t think he is the manager to build a side and progress to the levels where he is transforming our style - he more or less admitted that his job is to consolidate us and we get a new manager to take to the next stage. 

If we are steadily imporving, does he not deserve the opertunity to develop as manager with the club?. I think it would be rather disrepectful to dump him simply becasue we feel we deserve something 'better' than him.

If I saw another club do that to a manager, I would think what a bunch of shithouese, they deserve everything they get.