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I wouldn’t sell Onana unless we had to make up on financial grounds. I think he’ll be worth more next year. Give him a solid pre-season under stable management, and I think we’ll see some progress. 

I think we all know what he’s capable of. If we can get the best out of him then he could transform us. I’m not holding my breath, but you never know. 

4 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/06/14/everton-and-nottingham-forest-gifted-second-chance-to-land-10-midfielder/

Only 10 pounds? Worth the risk. 

1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

 

I think I get the gist. 

4 hours ago, Palfy said:

And if DCL didn’t miss most of the season we would have been close to top 10. 

I agree 100%. 

2 hours ago, Shukes said:

This could be a good thing though. Gana was one of our most relied on players this season and it shows in his stats. 
 

Bring someone in like Tyler could be the perfect foil for him. Learning from a player like Gana is perfect for a younger player. And if his stats are already up there towards Gana’s level, then that’s a good thing surely.

What are his pass completion stats like. This is what coaches are going to be looking at. Miles per game is also another top one.

I haven’t really saw much of him if I’m honest…. So taking others words for it.

Gana had 84.5 vs. 82.4 for Adams. 

52 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Aaronson is the American I'd have from Leeds. I like him a lot.

Fell off a little bit towards the second half of the season... but who didn't at Leeds. The manager changes didn't help. 

1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I think Adams has looked a fairly solid player as well, at least when I have seen him. He was good at the World Cup albeit, always a bit skeptical of international performances.

Personally, I think Gana had a poor season. He definitely had good moments but his overall performances have been erratic. I don't expect that from someone of his experience.

I have a sneaky feeling that if Adams hadn't have been injured the last part of the season then it would be Leeds that stayed up over us, but we'll obviously never know for sure if that's the case. 

44 minutes ago, plaidharper said:

If Tyler Adams wasn't from the USA (or the UK), folks would be talking less about him on this forum.

You cite he was top 5 in tackles and top 10 in interceptions+tackles... but guess who was ahead of him in both categories? Gana.

Further more, I do not think Adams is in the top 10 for tackles+interceptions... in fact I do not think he is in the top 20 for interceptions...

On tackles, Adams was 4th (89) in the league and Gana was 3rd (97).  I think if you add the tackles and interceptions then he would be in the top 10 (35 interceptions + 89 tackles) in the league, but no, he is not in the top 20 for interceptions (cut-off is 45), but that's not a claim in the original post. For context, Gana had 56 interceptions, so 153 tackles and interceptions vs. Adams' 124 in 11 less matches.  

Don't really care about the stats as they doesn't necessarily determine who's a good player, but I wanted to add some context. I like Adams a lot, but I do worry about his injury history. I think it's time to start looking beyond Gana though, he's getting up there in age and he's regressed a little bit. 

EDIT: since this is the McTominay thread, he had 32 tackles and 14 interceptions, but that's obviously skewed by the amount of minutes he played. 

He’s better than Davies.  

Just now, Goodison Glory said:

Leicester also...when Vardy scored. 

Ah, that’s the one I was thinking of! That was terrible. 

2 hours ago, StevO said:

The problem when he is in the middle is that every single time he gives the ball away we seem to concede.
He runs himself into blind alleys regardless of where he is on the pitch. But when he’s out wide the ball tends to go out for a throw in or goal kick, when he does it in the middle we are massively exposed to the counter. 
It’s very much risk and reward with him, unfortunately the risk when he’s in the middle is too high and the reward out wide isn’t high enough. 

I can’t argue with that. He’s given away some shocking passes. There’s one pass I remember specifically (I think against Fulham) where he had so many options and absolutely chose the worst one. It led to a goal. I think he was playing on the right in that game but was in the middle of the field when this happened. I still think that if we get rid of him we need to bring other bodies first. Our depth is our main weakness. 

I like Iwobi, but he's ineffective on the wing. It's obvious he's best in the center, but we have better players there. That said, I would prefer to keep him and sign a player he can rotate with. I think he adds a creative spark even if he doesn't have a ton of end product. I think ST, CB, LB, and another CM are the current priorities over replacing him. 

14 minutes ago, Aidan said:

There must be someone on a free on similar wages we can replace him with. He's one of those nothing players that doesn't excel in any particular area, and has a few average attributes. Disappointed if he does sign a new deal. Need to move on for the sake of his own career too.

That's my problem with him: he doesn't really add anything. You don't bring him off the bench to change a game, and more often than not the person he's replacing should just stay on the field, because they're more effective. If he stays then the only situation I'd want to see him in are matches where we've already won and we just need a sub so another player can rest. It's hard to justify having a sub like that on the bench (although we do have a habit of putting two keepers on the bench which is even more baffling). 

He's not even a terrible footballer, but I don't see what he brings to the pitch. 

55 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I can’t help feeling he’s entering last chance saloon with his hammies, if he has another season with injuries like he has the last 2 then I really fear for his future. Let’s hope this Munich clinic can put him back together properly this time, Christ knows we need him to be able to play 30 plus games next season. 

I'm already fearing for it. I have little to no faith he won't be plagued by injuries for the rest of his career. I pray that isn't the case, but his history isn't very kind. 

If we received a world record fee it would be stupid to turn it down though, right? 

6 hours ago, StevO said:

I’ve said it before, but if anyone wants him it needs to be a world record fee. He has just signed a long term deal, so if he’s going he has to be the most expensive keeper ever. 

I don’t want him to go, but I feel like if he did then many folks on here would be disappointed by the fee. Honestly, he’s done so much for us that holding out on a world record fee would be pretty crazy (if he wanted to go which I don’t think he does). He’s not the best keeper in the world, IMO. 
 

1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Spurs being linked with a move for £40m.

Not sure how just having a right hand in goal is going to help them.

I thought he was left-handed? 
 

Alright, see you guys later. 

I’ll just keep it simple and say I don’t see him as our future at the CB position. 

6 hours ago, Formby said:

Dyche didn't want him. That's good enough for me.

How do we know that for certain though? There’s a possibility we can’t spend any money given FFP or the shift in ownership/budget control. I mean, it’s moot regardless, but I just find this an odd revelation. 

6 minutes ago, Goodison Glory said:

I don't think this changes as much as people hope....at least in the short term.
 

I think it gives us new board (excellent, this is the main thing), cash flow for stadium (which Moshri didn't want to/couldn't afford to provide) and possibly less debt.

But in terms of FFP or Summer Budget, I'm not sure it changes that much. 

TBH, my expectation going into the summer was that we wouldn't have a lot to spend on transfers any way, so if the above changes you mention come to fruition then I'll be ecstatic. We desperately need a change of leadership at the top. 

2 minutes ago, Matt said:

I'm very much supportive of change but I'm so worried about another big money investment after Moshiri. Those initial transfer windows, the dross we threw money at... We won't survive that again.

Hopefully with Moshiri out of the way (and potentially Kenwright) we can let our DOF do his job. The second sentence of the tweet gives me joy for now. 

That makes me nervous but also very optimistic! 

31 minutes ago, Matt said:

There is a possibility that we couldn't afford £4.5m...

This is what I'm worried about. It seems a no-brainer to move on two of Keane, Holgate, or Godfrey if we think we can get suitors for them. I think Coady makes sense as a back-up for the fee, as long as we brought in a replacement in addition to Brainthwaite coming back and proving capable of a spot in the first team. We won't find many CB's at Coady's price. If we plan on keeping at least two of the above mentioned then I can understand not bringing back Coady though. 

34 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Sulemana will be worth a cut price bid, throw maupay in.  Pace to burn. 
 

I mentioned Tyler Adams elsewhere. 

My only worry with Adams is his injury record. He'll play in a lot of matches, but he'll also likely miss time. He throws himself about a lot, so that probably doesn't help.