trenty111 Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hey guy's i just noticced that on Beckford's Wikipedia page that he has been changed to No.9 and also it says in his bio from the start of the 2011/12 season he will wear the Famous No.9 shirt for Everton? Has anyone heard anything on this? I'll be getting that shirt if he takes it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jermaine_Beckford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hey guy's i just noticced that on Beckford's Wikipedia page that he has been changed to No.9 and also it says in his bio from the start of the 2011/12 season he will wear the Famous No.9 shirt for Everton? Has anyone heard anything on this? I'll be getting that shirt if he takes it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jermaine_Beckford To be honest I would rather you did than Beckford! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 I hope he's not gonna be number 9, it should go to someone with real quality. The number 9 shirt represents something at Everton, and Beckford doesn't fit the bill IMO. I was so pissed off when Donovan got it, that made a mockery of what that number means at Everton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regulator Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 If a player of Saha's quality preferred not to have the shirt, instead opting for number 8, because he was reluctant to accept the responsibility of being an Everton Number 9 and living up to that name, then someone like Beckford should be nowhere near it, and should refuse even if offered. In fact, I agree with the Donovan comment, although I didn't hold it against him as I actually like Donovan a lot and would like to see him back, just not with that number on his back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 I only had a problem with Donovan getting it because he was only on loan, if he'd been a permanent signing then I could have understood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 why? How many times to I have to present the facts = 10 goals in his 1st season jumping from league 1 to the EPL. Top 5 goal to minute ratio in the EPL. Great feet, great pace but needs to improve. Is he on a par with the other number 9s? Nowhere near at the moment but I still believe that he could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regulator Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 why? How many times to I have to present the facts = 10 goals in his 1st season jumping from league 1 to the EPL. Top 5 goal to minute ratio in the EPL. Great feet, great pace but needs to improve. Is he on a par with the other number 9s? Nowhere near at the moment but I still believe that he could be. But as soon as he gets good enough to warrant a number 9 on his back, someone will come in and buy him off us, and he'll go, which isn't what being an everton number 9 is... Mostly i don't give a crap what number people have, as long as they do there job, but when there's history behind the number you have to be careful about who carries it on.. If King Louis wasn't ready to take that mantle, what makes beckford a better choice? i'd rather see Saha wearing it :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) But as soon as he gets good enough to warrant a number 9 on his back, someone will come in and buy him off us, and he'll go, which isn't what being an everton number 9 is... Mostly i don't give a crap what number people have, as long as they do there job, but when there's history behind the number you have to be careful about who carries it on.. If King Louis wasn't ready to take that mantle, what makes beckford a better choice? i'd rather see Saha wearing it :/ Can I have the lottery numbers for the weekend seeing as you can predict the future? (Apologies - its 30 degrees here and im sitting in ball soup, dont mean to be rude!) Saha changed to #8 because he was born on the 8th of August, nothing to do with not being up to taking on the responsibility: http://www.chesterch...59067-24282132/ Edited May 30, 2011 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 If King Louis wasn't ready to take that mantle, what makes beckford a better choice? i'd rather see Saha wearing it :/ Saha was number 9 when we first signed him as no.8 wasn't available - he prefers no.8. as his D.O.B is 08.08.78. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Beaten to it - I knew it was to do with his b'day but didn't know his D.O.B so was looking it up!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Complete fantasy imo....anyone can edit a wiki page. Don't believe for a moment he's been offered 9 and I don't think he will be. Not to say it couldn't happen in the future but he's not there yet by a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Complete fantasy imo....anyone can edit a wiki page. Don't believe for a moment he's been offered 9 and I don't think he will be. Not to say it couldn't happen in the future but he's not there yet by a long way. agree with you Mike, 75% of the stuff on Wiki is aload of bollox anyway, it is a very unreliable information source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 why? How many times to I have to present the facts = 10 goals in his 1st season jumping from league 1 to the EPL. Top 5 goal to minute ratio in the EPL. Great feet, great pace but needs to improve. Is he on a par with the other number 9s? Nowhere near at the moment but I still believe that he could be. Have you not watched Beckford in an Everton shirt? The number 9 shirt at Everton means something special and so it shouldnt just go to anybody. Any player who wants to pull on that jersey should earn the right to first and Beckford has certainly not done that yet no matter how many times you quote statistics He has got a long, long way to go yet before he deserves that particular honour. He scored a wonder goal on the last day of the season and yet the thing that stands out in my mind about his first year with us are abject displays like at Man Utd away. His complete unwillingness to even challenge a defender drove me mad He has done ok nothing more nothing less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Have you not watched Beckford in an Everton shirt? The number 9 shirt at Everton means something special and so it shouldnt just go to anybody. Any player who wants to pull on that jersey should earn the right to first and Beckford has certainly not done that yet no matter how many times you quote statistics He has got a long, long way to go yet before he deserves that particular honour. He scored a wonder goal on the last day of the season and yet the thing that stands out in my mind about his first year with us are abject displays like at Man Utd away. His complete unwillingness to even challenge a defender drove me mad He has done ok nothing more nothing less Yes I have watched him - hes frustrating but he does a lot of running, gets into great positions, creates loads of chances, quick feet, dodgy goals to shots ratio but still scores often - what more do you want? Stop quoting statistics, why? Because its proving my point and people dont like it? So who should get it? By your logic no new signings and theres noone in the team at the moment so it should just be sitting there? Im quoting statistics because some people dont want to accept reality - Becks is a good player and has the potential to be great. All throughout the season individuals have had shocking games, more than one in most cases, so pointing out the Utd game isnt fair - they were all shit anyway. Becks has scored some cracking goals - not just the one against Chelsea (Bolton springs to mind) - and does a lot of running even if he is weak occasionally. He has the ability, charisma and arrogance to be a number 9, I would hope that if he is given the chance he can make the most of it and prove his critics wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 So who should get it? By your logic no new signings and theres noone in the team at the moment so it should just be sitting there? Yes. If there is no one good enough (which there wouldn't be with Saha not wanting the number) then it should remain vacant until there is someone worthy of it. Beckford had a decent first season, but one decent season doesn't mean he deserves that honour, Matt. If he does it again next season then it'd be fair enough. The number 9 at Everton has to be earned, not handed on a plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Yes. If there is no one good enough (which there wouldn't be with Saha not wanting the number) then it should remain vacant until there is someone worthy of it. Beckford had a decent first season, but one decent season doesn't mean he deserves that honour, Matt. If he does it again next season then it'd be fair enough. The number 9 at Everton has to be earned, not handed on a plate. I get that mate, I really do. I just have a feeling he would grow into it and that it would do him and the club the world of good thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 cor blimey is it me or are we in the process of diluting our history? Nearly getting as bad as Liverpool and the number 7 - however I feel they may actually have someone in Suarez that can do it justice. What's next? Calling Vic, Billy and Hibbo the holy trinity? Matt I applaud your optimism but seriously mate? Beckford is a good lad but come off it, he gets into great positions but for me you need to also look at the chances he misses as well as the ones he puts away (sunderland last minute)- for me the appraisal by many Leeds fans rings true - very much gets lots of opportunities which is great but misses ones that he should score. The number 9 shirt has been worn by some absolute quality players and in my opinion giving it to Donovan straight away was poor judgement - fortunately he proved to be one of the better ones to wear it in recent times. Newcastle have made a mockery of their number 9 with Ameobi talk etc, lets not follow suit. Let's start trying to preserve what we were built on pre 1990's, as already we have the press and pundits tagging us as 'plucky overachievers' what we have is 'ok' - it's not success, it's a work in progress and one that's hampered by ambition being compromised by funding/debt. Do you think united are going to be happy with what they have in the knowledge that they are a class away from Barca? nope, they will come again. My opinion will not change, my feelings and beliefs were formed before I sat my 11 plus from watching my first game seeing us dismantle Notts Forest 5-0 on route to winning the league with a team built on a modest budget- call it dreaming or whatever - you gotta believe and hold the highest expectations and standards. giving the number 9 to a raw player ain't in line with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beard Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 (edited) For the first time I have splinters in my derriere. I have to sit on the fence for this one. I can agree with part of what Duncan is saying and also Matt's side of the argument. What about leaving it omitted and see if Beckford rattles in 15/20 goals before Christmas, including a hat-trck against Liverpool, before deciding who should have it? Edited May 31, 2011 by The Beard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 no chance, he's lazy and done just about ok. If we've made him number 9 then it's looking like a pretty depressing Summer ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Yes I have watched him - hes frustrating but he does a lot of running, gets into great positions, creates loads of chances, quick feet, dodgy goals to shots ratio but still scores often - what more do you want? Stop quoting statistics, why? Because its proving my point and people dont like it? So who should get it? By your logic no new signings and theres noone in the team at the moment so it should just be sitting there? Im quoting statistics because some people dont want to accept reality - Becks is a good player and has the potential to be great. All throughout the season individuals have had shocking games, more than one in most cases, so pointing out the Utd game isnt fair - they were all shit anyway. Becks has scored some cracking goals - not just the one against Chelsea (Bolton springs to mind) - and does a lot of running even if he is weak occasionally. He has the ability, charisma and arrogance to be a number 9, I would hope that if he is given the chance he can make the most of it and prove his critics wrong. I wasnt just talking about the Man Utd away game Matt, he never challenges for the ball. He was trying to roll the defender every time and it didnt work once all seaseon. In answer to your questions , yes if we havent got anybody good enough to do it justice I would rather have nobody wear it What more do I want from him? Well I would like him to have a better goals per chance ratio but thats not what grates me about him. What I would really like would be for him to be a bit more aware of whats going on around him, he doesnt have to shoot every time. But most of all I would like to see him at least try and put a defender under pressure. Last season if the ball was played up to him at his feet he would need 4 touches to get it under control and if you played it in the air he just stood back and watched the defender collect it Maybe Im being a bit harsh but I just want more from an Everton number 9, and you could well have a point that giving him the shirt might give him a bit more self belief and spur him on. The point Im trying to make though is that statistics dont tell the whole story and as someone has already said all the players you were comparing him to with your stats are a million miles better than him and I would swap him for every single one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I wasnt just talking about the Man Utd away game Matt, he never challenges for the ball. He was trying to roll the defender every time and it didnt work once all seaseon. In answer to your questions , yes if we havent got anybody good enough to do it justice I would rather have nobody wear it What more do I want from him? Well I would like him to have a better goals per chance ratio but thats not what grates me about him. What I would really like would be for him to be a bit more aware of whats going on around him, he doesnt have to shoot every time. But most of all I would like to see him at least try and put a defender under pressure. Last season if the ball was played up to him at his feet he would need 4 touches to get it under control and if you played it in the air he just stood back and watched the defender collect it Maybe Im being a bit harsh but I just want more from an Everton number 9, and you could well have a point that giving him the shirt might give him a bit more self belief and spur him on. The point Im trying to make though is that statistics dont tell the whole story and as someone has already said all the players you were comparing him to with your stats are a million miles better than him and I would swap him for every single one of them I agree with you for the most part mate, especially this bit, but I'll stop now otherwise im just repeating myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/06/06/2520352/everton-striker-jermaine-beckford-enjoying-life-at-goodison if it hasn't already been posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 I've never noticed what a long neck he has before: http://u.goal.com/106100/106163.jpg He should be getting more headers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenty111 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I've never noticed what a long neck he has before: http://u.goal.com/106100/106163.jpg He should be getting more headers!! Haha me and my mate refer to him as long neck.. it's good too see somebody picking up the specifics haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kohen Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Haha me and my mate refer to him as long neck.. it's good too see somebody picking up the specifics haha! I quite like the name Jeraffe Neckford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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