Romey 1878 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news//tm_headline=steven-pienaar-8217-s-contract-offer-won-8217-t-be-improved-by-everton-fc%26method=full%26objectid=27107222%26siteid=100252-name_page.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Sounds ominously like: He wants more money, and we've said we haven't got it, take it or leave it! I don't like the way a lot of this seems to be being done in the papers, and not behind closed doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Sounds ominously like: He wants more money, and we've said we haven't got it, take it or leave it! Don't think that's "ominous," think it's the way it should be. Just wish he'd make a decision quickly....I wouldn't keep him for the year if he refuses it though, get rid quick and bring in someone who wants to play for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2010/08/22/2082024/everton-believe-that-steven-pienaar-will-commit-his-future hope theyre right! Edited August 23, 2010 by galacticaracnid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Ibra is the shittest World Class player I have ever seen. Ditto. I can't believe their 'swap' deal with Etto, what the fuck were Barca smoking that day!? Whatever was in that pipe was seriously fucked up nugget! Inter were laughing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Ditto. I can't believe their 'swap' deal with Etto, what the fuck were Barca smoking that day!? Whatever was in that pipe was seriously fucked up nugget! Inter were laughing! In fairness Zlatan scored more goals and got more assists than Eto did last year and has done so every season for the last 5 years bad one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 i third that..best piece of footballing business in the history of transfers..fuck knows how much money plus a top striker like eto'o for ibra who can be the best when he can be arsed which isn't often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 i third that..best piece of footballing business in the history of transfers..fuck knows how much money plus a top striker like eto'o for ibra who can be the best when he can be arsed which isn't often Eto career stats:- 451 Games 220 Goals/ 32 assists Zlatan career stats:- 390 Games- 180 Goals/ 87 assists There really isn't that much between them. Eto'o can be just as lazy and troublesome as Zlatan. Both are talented. Both score lots of goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Eto career stats:- 451 Games 220 Goals/ 32 assists Zlatan career stats:- 390 Games- 180 Goals/ 87 assists There really isn't that much between them. Eto'o can be just as lazy and troublesome as Zlatan. Both are talented. Both score lots of goals. So would you agree, the deal was shit? Considering they went in opposite directions but Barca forked out another £30m +...? Fucking crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 So would you agree, the deal was shit? Considering they went in opposite directions but Barca forked out another £30m +...? Fucking crazy. It was an odd deal but considering Guardiola hated Eto and that feeling was recipricated by Eto you can see why they wanted to do a deal. Inter where reluctant to sell Zlatan as he'd been their leading man and Serie A top scorer during his tenure there. I'm not saying it's a shit deal as both teams did well out of it. The money was silly, but the money is silly in all transfer now. The £24m plus Ireland for Milner is exally as silly just on a different plane of quality and money involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 It was an odd deal but considering Guardiola hated Eto and that feeling was recipricated by Eto you can see why they wanted to do a deal. Inter where reluctant to sell Zlatan as he'd been their leading man and Serie A top scorer during his tenure there. I'm not saying it's a shit deal as both teams did well out of it. The money was silly, but the money is silly in all transfer now. The £24m plus Ireland for Milner is exally as silly just on a different plane of quality and money involved. True! I think sometimes, valuations from one club to another can be soo vast, that they look stupid on one clubs part. I personaly think that the deal was rediculous lark, but i suppose a price paid is only paid for how badly that clubs wants them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 True! I think sometimes, valuations from one club to another can be soo vast, that they look stupid on one clubs part. I personaly think that the deal was rediculous lark, but i suppose a price paid is only paid for how badly that clubs wants them? One aspect of transfers that often gets over looked is not the true and fair value of a player but what a player is worth to a club. The club is the one that should be in the power here and the sale of a player should be determined by what he is worth to the club, not just what the player should be worth. The Lescot case is a good example. He is not a £24m player, however at the time that was a fair price for Everton as his value to the club was higher than that of his true value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) It was an odd deal but considering Guardiola hated Eto and that feeling was recipricated by Eto you can see why they wanted to do a deal. Inter where reluctant to sell Zlatan as he'd been their leading man and Serie A top scorer during his tenure there. I'm not saying it's a shit deal as both teams did well out of it. The money was silly, but the money is silly in all transfer now. The £24m plus Ireland for Milner is exally as silly just on a different plane of quality and money involved. i know im nit-picking, but wasnt it 14m + ireland? Oh, and Lescotts price was over inflated because of the Johnson sale to the shite. Edited August 23, 2010 by galacticaracnid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 i know im nit-picking, but wasnt it 14m + ireland? Oh, and Lescotts price was over inflated because of the Johnson sale to the shite. The Lescott sale price had nothing to do with the Johnson sale. We'd have still held out for a kings ransom because we didn't want to sell. The Milner sale is hard to tell, places reporting different things. main one i've seen is that it was £28m, then they classed Ireland as £8m so Villa got £20m. Something like that, not sure precise figures as I don't really care that much about either of those teams so i'll take it all with a pinch of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) The Lescott sale price had nothing to do with the Johnson sale. We'd have still held out for a kings ransom because we didn't want to sell. The Milner sale is hard to tell, places reporting different things. main one i've seen is that it was £28m, then they classed Ireland as £8m so Villa got £20m. Something like that, not sure precise figures as I don't really care that much about either of those teams so i'll take it all with a pinch of salt. Wont argue with the Milner one because like you said, theyre plenty of stuff being banded about. But the Lescott sale was absolutely infulenced by Johnsons sale coupled with the kings ransom like you said. Getting a little offtopic here, cut n paste to the Lescott thread? Oh, and i meant Glen Johnson not slaphead. Edited August 23, 2010 by galacticaracnid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Wont argue with the Milner one because like you said, theyre plenty of stuff being banded about. But the Lescott sale was absolutely infulenced by Johnsons sale coupled with the kings ransom like you said. Getting a little offtopic here, cut n paste to the Lescott thread? Oh, and i meant Glen Johnson not slaphead. Oh yea I realised that you where talking about Glen. As fans we said "If they get this much for johnson then we should get this much for Lescot". But in the business world of football then it really will have made no difference. If Liverpool had not signed Johnson we would still have held out for the same amount for Lescott. As I said before it's about the worth of a player to a club, not just the true worth of a player. And as we didnt want to sell the price tag was always going to be inflated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) Oh yea I realised that you where talking about Glen. As fans we said "If they get this much for johnson then we should get this much for Lescot". But in the business world of football then it really will have made no difference. If Liverpool had not signed Johnson we would still have held out for the same amount for Lescott. As I said before it's about the worth of a player to a club, not just the true worth of a player. And as we didnt want to sell the price tag was always going to be inflated. I cant believe the business world of football wasnt affected by stupid transfers that year, throughout Europe. Look at Ronaldos sale, Kaka, Ibra and most of the Citeh signings for that matter. The market was affected by the business men coming out with large chequebooks (and competition of club egos in Spain i think),the market was certainly affected for the selling teams at least. They were sitting there thinking "well i dont want to sell my player but if youve got Xmillion we will reconsider". They chose a stupid number thinking that noone will ever pay that but then clubs did. So i suppose its like you said, how much the player is worth to the club but in the end the business world was affected as well. just for info, found this site, was quite useful for looking up Euro transfers! http://soccerlens.com/summer-2009-english-premier-league-transfers/39611/ As for Jlo there had to be something in the back of the boards mind saying the same as the fans on the street, theyre supposed to be fans too right? Youre damn right about the worth of a player to a club too, i agree completely, but its not that simple all the time. The true worth of Lescott for the club was probably more than we sold him for, his partnership with Jags was one of the best in the EPL and selling him destroyed that. Johnsons transfer was part of another attempt by Liverpool to splash the cash to gain sucess and they paid an over inflated price to get him, again for the same reason you say - he was a big player for Pompey. But we also have different prices for different players based on how people rate them. Hughes loved Lescott, was determined to get him at any cost and compared to other players in his position, 24m was exaggerated but reflected the transfers at the time. Without the other transfers going around, we wouldnt have got more than 20m for him but because of the other overpriced transfers it was acceptable to charge over the odds. I really dont think im explaining myself well here. im putting it down to the heat in the office and the fact im flicking between writing this, rereading it, jumping back to work etc. Edited August 23, 2010 by galacticaracnid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 back on topic, same shit, different day: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Tottenham-transfer-news-Everton-to-offer-Steven-Pienaar-to-Spurs-for-Peter-Crouch-article562351.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 back on topic, same shit, different day: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Tottenham-transfer-news-Everton-to-offer-Steven-Pienaar-to-Spurs-for-Peter-Crouch-article562351.html So we'd have absolutely no width at all if this happened. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 So we'd have absolutely no width at all if this happened. Brilliant. but we would have a very tall person upfront when we hoof it. That worked wonders in the 90s didnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 but we would have a very tall person upfront when we hoof it. That worked wonders in the 90s didnt it? Except for the fact that Crouch is shit in the air and much better on the floor . This move would make me feel sick, literally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Except for the fact that Crouch is shit in the air and much better on the floor . This move would make me feel sick, literally. Me too, pienaar for crouch haha... if we get crouch i won't be able to bear the amount of times we will hoof it, even tho as romey says hes bollocks in the air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 won't happen..spurs linked with pienaar and we have been linked with crouch..lazy journo's as per Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Don't believe the story for a second, but if it did happen then i'd probably end up in jail because of the things i'd do out of anger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Don't believe the story for a second, but if it did happen then i'd probably end up in jail because of the things i'd do out of anger. Second that matey, be like Bonnie and Clyde. You can be the woman though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 horrid thoughts now cos of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) http://www.clubcall.com/everton/transfer-rumour-dashed-1090415.html http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2010/08/24/blues-dismiss-crouch-claim http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/42669/Redknapp_goes_public_on_Crouch_Pienaar_and_Diarra_speculation.aspx Edited August 24, 2010 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 nice to see Harry piping up too. i knew this was crap. Gives me an idea for a thread though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillAct723 Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 This just crap reporting. I don't see a sliver of this being true. MAYBE Moyesy was looking at Crouch and Spurs at Pienaar - but certainly not as part of a deal together. That's crazy talk. I'll eat my socks if this happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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