Lowensda Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Being a World Cup year and the affect that has on 'non-mainstream' players valuations when they play well during the tournament (Honda, Mandzukovic). What type of players do you think Roberto will be looking at? Experienced internationals, who are coming to the end of their respective club contracts. Young fringe players who missed out on final squads with larger, successful nations (German, Spain). Top players who's country aren't being represented at the WC this year. Top performers for smaller nations, risk their valuations inflating. Buy post tournament. What do you think Bobby will do and where will he find the talent. Prem experience or foreign risk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 He'll first have to find a buyer for Barkley. Then he can go get his targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I would put a bid in for rosiky at arsenal. Has the eye for a killer pass. Tracks back, covers all duties.... Would have to be a big bid though. MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I would put a bid in for rosiky at arsenal. Has the eye for a killer pass. Tracks back, covers all duties.... Would have to be a big bid though. He signed a new contract about a week ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Well that's that then isn't it :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 He'll first have to find a buyer for Barkley. Then he can go get his targets. Aha. Is it another sell to buy summer do you think? Apparently (and I say that loosley) there was money available in January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Ben arfa? Holtby? Colback? Johnson? Delph? Behrens? Rodriguez? The albino from derby? Another country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Ben Arfa Holtby and Johnson would all be great players here and Colback as a decent squad player and Hughes does look a talent, all good shouts and I'd love to have the three mentioned first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Aha. Is it another sell to buy summer do you think? Apparently (and I say that loosley) there was money available in January I'm still feeling yesterday so I'm probably being overly cynical today but there's more chance of the Conservatives winning the next election than us not having to sell to buy this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 To be totally honest if we threw every penny in transfer funds we have at strikers and filled the rest of the squad with free transfers and loans then I'd be happy. If getting say Lescott, Colback, Barry and Ince in on frees (obviously there are other fees involved) meant we had a sizeable pot to buy at least 2 strikers then I'd be delighted. MC11, StevO and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 None WC attendees would be our best option I think, or young fringe players. Who else though? Ben Arfa won't leave for us. Holtby is more realistic. Delph is good to. Will Hughes I'm not 100% sold on yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I agree on Ben Arfa not that we are not good enough for him I can see him going to a CL side I dare say He's the type of player the shite are crying out for. Holtby would be a target for me just the type of player we need and has the added bonus of being a blue, not keen on Delph just not good enough for me maybe a good squad player but I think we missed a trick with Redmond who's a better player in my eyes. Watched some MLS which is a rarity as a mates brother plays for Salk Lake "Luke Mulholland" and they had one or two wide men that looked very good albeit a lower standard of football but still looked decent there's plenty of league's to be looked at for potential talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 My hopes are for depth for Europa league. Some of these could be youngsters. If we sign Barry we still need a striker, centre mid, centre back, right back, attacking midfielder, and a winger. That's if kone, gibson, and Oviedo all make it back. I'm factoring in that this is hibbert's last year and that osman won't see te first team very much next year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 To be totally honest if we threw every penny in transfer funds we have at strikers and filled the rest of the squad with free transfers and loans then I'd be happy. If getting say Lescott, Colback, Barry and Ince in on frees (obviously there are other fees involved) meant we had a sizeable pot to buy at least 2 strikers then I'd be delighted. I'm all in with you on that! If we have £20m to spend and bring in Lukaku, Lescott, Colback, Barry and Ince, maybe Gerry on loan for another year, I would be very confident going into next season. Matt and MC11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Martinez has already said that if we manage to cling on to a European slot then we need to go for experienced players that can come into the side staright away in order to cope with the extra demands. as opposed to buying youngsters who could develop in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Martinez has already said that if we manage to cling on to a European slot then we need to go for experienced players that can come into the side staright away in order to cope with the extra demands. as opposed to buying youngsters who could develop in the future Agreed. By youngsters I meant the lads In our reserve and u 21 squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYBlue Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Martinez has already said that if we manage to cling on to a European slot then we need to go for experienced players that can come into the side staright away in order to cope with the extra demands. as opposed to buying youngsters who could develop in the future Would Europa be a good idea then? It seems as though it would forge our strategy of the next season or couple of seasons where we go for more established players rather than picking up the youngsters and developing the team as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 The one thing I am really excited about is that we don't have to sell anyone to bring people in. We have all the Fellaini, jelavic, anichebe money so we don't have to wait till the last day of the window. I hope we finish out business before training starts so the whole team is able to play the first match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 The one thing I am really excited about is that we don't have to sell anyone to bring people in. We have all the Fellaini, jelavic, anichebe money so we don't have to wait till the last day of the window. I hope we finish out business before training starts so the whole team is able to play the first match. I can see you being very disappointed and confused when we have to sell to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 What is it that's making you feel like this will happen Mark? With the extra tv money now we shouldn't have to do this, the costs haven't increased by anything so major to make that happen. Last year we had to sell Fellaini to bring in McCarthy, but we had already spent money bringing in Kone and Robles. So if we had a transfer kitty of say £6m last year, plus loan fees, what makes you think we wouldn't have £6m again? From the Fellaini money we only spent about half of it on McCarthy and McGeady so far, plus the Jelavic money we should have over £10m left. If we didn't have £10m left to spend on players from Fellaini and the TV money I'd expect uproar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Three words, Steve - this is Everton. We were told that we didn't have to sell Fellaini to buy McCarthy remember? LIE. So I'm fully expecting to have been lied to again. It's how Everton operates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Three words, Steve - this is Everton. We were told that we didn't have to sell Fellaini to buy McCarthy remember? LIE. So I'm fully expecting to have been lied to again. It's how Everton operates. That was a negotiating tactic! Man I appreciate where you're coming from but not everyone shares your cynicism. MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 That was a negotiating tactic! Man I appreciate where you're coming from but not everyone shares your cynicism. Negotiating tactic? How so? We paid more than we were wanting to... We didn't have the money Wigan wanted until Fellaini went, that's why it wasn't until late that we signed him. If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you. I appreciate you haven't been following Everton all that long so you haven't repeatedly seen this sort of thing, so I'll just have to let you off until you learn . When it comes to transfer funds this club has more than earned a high level of distrust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) We defo bluffed United all the way up to £27.5m like. Edited March 11, 2014 by MiguelCotto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant1979 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Negotiating tactic? How so? We paid more than we were wanting to... We didn't have the money Wigan wanted until Fellaini went, that's why it wasn't until late that we signed him. If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you. I appreciate you haven't been following Everton all that long so you haven't repeatedly seen this sort of thing, so I'll just have to let you off until you learn . When it comes to transfer funds this club has more than earned a high level of distrust. I think you're right that if the Fellaini deal had fallen through then we wouldn't have been able to sign McCarthy, the money wouldn't have been there. But in terms of the McCarthy fee I don't think we would have got him any cheaper even if it had been done early in the close season, Whelan a shrewd businessman for sure. Look at the fees he got for N'Zogbia and Palacios for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I think you're right that if the Fellaini deal had fallen through then we wouldn't have been able to sign McCarthy, the money wouldn't have been there. But in terms of the McCarthy fee I don't think we would have got him any cheaper even if it had been done early in the close season, Whelan a shrewd businessman for sure. Look at the fees he got for N'Zogbia and Palacios for example. Neither do I but Mark seemed to be suggesting we left it late so we could get a better deal and that didn't happen. We paid more than we originally bid and had to pay more than we wanted to upfront as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Neither do I but Mark seemed to be suggesting we left it late so we could get a better deal and that didn't happen. We paid more than we originally bid and had to pay more than we wanted to upfront as well. He was suggesting that we bluffed United that we had money for McCarthy without having to sell Fellaini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 He was suggesting that we bluffed United that we had money for McCarthy without having to sell Fellaini. Moyes had managed us for 11 years, I think he'd be well aware we didn't have two pennies to rub together! We just took advantage of his desperation to sign someone, anyone, in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Negotiating tactic? How so? We paid more than we were wanting to... We didn't have the money Wigan wanted until Fellaini went, that's why it wasn't until late that we signed him. If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you. I appreciate you haven't been following Everton all that long so you haven't repeatedly seen this sort of thing, so I'll just have to let you off until you learn . When it comes to transfer funds this club has more than earned a high level of distrust. There is more pressure when put against a deadline than there would be if there is no deadline. By saying we had to wait, so did Wigan. They wanted to sell James, but instead of showing interest and them playing hardball for months on end and us showing our hand, instead you wait till the pressure mounts and then force a deal knowing the other party might cave to the pressure or just really need the deal done and therefore accept your demands. I work in sales, I know how a deal works. In your opinion the tactic didn't work to our benefit, that doesn't mean it stopped being a tactic! Also I appreciate your talking down to me because I haven't been following the team for long. I am an American, I'm not from Liverpool, etc., but that doesn't make me any less a fan than you are. I take days off from work to watch the matches, I'm not just a casual observer. Edited March 11, 2014 by markjazzbassist MC11, Romey 1878 and Sibdane 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Ok so he wasn't suggesting that! Therefore I'm out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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