Cornish Steve Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 20 hours ago, Chach said: Not sure I've seen much "hype" about her so to speak, but do you think narrowly losing a gubernatorial campaign makes her less qualified for the VP spot somehow? I would have thought if she won, then that would definitely would have ruled her out, historically (this time might be slightly different with the pushing 80's candidates?) it's a bit of a nothing position and largely symbolic. Like Mark said from a base mobilisation perspective she ticks a few boxes. In Georgia, we'd never heard of her until she stood for governor. She did about as well as previous Democrats - nothing to write home about. She comes across as a bit naive and a lightweight, to be honest. We should we choosing leaders based on ability and experience, not because they tick the right boxes. Such is the age we live in, I guess: How well can we sell a brand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: In Georgia, we'd never heard of her until she stood for governor. She did about as well as previous Democrats - nothing to write home about. She comes across as a bit naive and a lightweight, to be honest. We should we choosing leaders based on ability and experience, not because they tick the right boxes. Such is the age we live in, I guess: How well can we sell a brand? Sorry I'm confused, do you live in Georgia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Chach said: Sorry I'm confused, do you live in Georgia? Atlanta I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 Good grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 50 minutes ago, MikeO said: Good grief. There is so much cringe in that video. Embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Chach said: Sorry I'm confused, do you live in Georgia? Yes. I've lived in Georgia for almost 30 years - although I currently work each week in the New York area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Sibdane said: There is so much cringe in that video. Embarrassing. Maybe, but a sizable percentage of the population will be cheering him on. I've heard this kind of bravado so many times, and it's always sickening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 33 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Maybe, but a sizable percentage of the population will be cheering him on. I've heard this kind of bravado so many times, and it's always sickening. I'm guessing it's because I responded to sibdane's post about rifles, but look what ad showed up on TT a few moments later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: I'm guessing it's because of writing this post, but look what ad showed up on TT a few moments later... That's not good. Crazy the way we're "watched" online, scary in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, MikeO said: That's not good. Crazy the way we're "watched" online, scary in fact. I can recall several examples where I've said something within range of a smartphone and, within minutes, ads show up on Facebook or Google ads that clearly depend on my spoken comments. No matter how many denials are made, there's no doubt our words are heard, processed, stored, and used for various purposes - some probably nefarious in nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: Yes. I've lived in Georgia for almost 30 years - although I currently work each week in the New York area. Oh right, that's why I was confused I would have thought most people with a vague interest in politics would know who the minority leader was in their own state. (I know my own, not so much the other states) She actually did considerably better than previous democratic candidates with a 5% swing to her, from what I've read you have issues with voter suppression and she ran a very effective campaign to combat it. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/stacey-abrams-census-voting-rights-vice-president-953173/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Chach said: Oh right, that's why I was confused I would have thought most people with a vague interest in politics would know who the minority leader was in their own state. (I know my own, not so much the other states) She actually did considerably better than previous democratic candidates with a 5% swing to her, from what I've read you have issues with voter suppression and she ran a very effective campaign to combat it. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/stacey-abrams-census-voting-rights-vice-president-953173/ I couldn't tell you the names of majority or minority leaders in the state, sorry. They mostly seem irrelevant, and I never watch TV. There was a lot of hype around Stacy Abrams during the governor election, but she didn't do particularly well. She came across as very naive, hence my earlier comment. The same was true of John Ossoff, who also stood in a well-publicized election and lost. Yes, there was considerable voter suppression, but I doubt it would have changed the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: I couldn't tell you the names of majority or minority leaders in the state, sorry. They mostly seem irrelevant, and I never watch TV. There was a lot of hype around Stacy Abrams during the governor election, but she didn't do particularly well. She came across as very naive, hence my earlier comment. The same was true of John Ossoff, who also stood in a well-publicized election and lost. Yes, there was considerable voter suppression, but I doubt it would have changed the outcome. You keep saying she didn't do particularly well but have you looked at the numbers? Now look at 2014 23% increase in voter turnout, if I had to guess I'd say she mobilised both sides. One side maybe out of spite. with only 50k votes in it, I would say it definitely affected the outcome. “Kemp’s actions during the election were textbook voter suppression. His actions were strategic, careless and aimed at silencing the voting power of communities of color in the state.” Consider these numbers. • In the three months leading up to election day, more than 85,000 voters were purged from rolls under Kemp. During 2017 668,000 voters were purged, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. GOP stole it, no wonder she refused to concede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 17 hours ago, Chach said: You keep saying she didn't do particularly well but have you looked at the numbers? Now look at 2014 23% increase in voter turnout, if I had to guess I'd say she mobilised both sides. One side maybe out of spite. with only 50k votes in it, I would say it definitely affected the outcome. “Kemp’s actions during the election were textbook voter suppression. His actions were strategic, careless and aimed at silencing the voting power of communities of color in the state.” Consider these numbers. • In the three months leading up to election day, more than 85,000 voters were purged from rolls under Kemp. During 2017 668,000 voters were purged, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. GOP stole it, no wonder she refused to concede. The most memorable thing about that election was just how poor Brian Kemp was as a candidate. He's the one who boasted he would drive around in his truck, gun in hand, hunting for illegal immigrants. Then he blatantly rigged the election. He was an unpopular candidate, but people in Georgia tend to vote party over candidate. Not always, but usually. Amazingly, in Cobb County, one of the wealthiest in the state, a Democrat won the seat. Very good candidates will win; Stacy Abrams did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: The most memorable thing about that election was just how poor Brian Kemp was as a candidate. He's the one who boasted he would drive around in his truck, gun in hand, hunting for illegal immigrants. Then he blatantly rigged the election. This is the prime difference between the right and the left, the left organise marches and carry placards. The right (who are also often rural) get into positions of power and stack the system in their favour. Not sure I agree she is a bad candidate on account of her not winning when they are purging the electoral roll of people who would vote for her but lets just agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cornish Steve Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 On 10/03/2020 at 06:11, Chach said: This is the prime difference between the right and the left, the left organise marches and carry placards. The right (who are also often rural) get into positions of power and stack the system in their favour. Not sure I agree she is a bad candidate on account of her not winning when they are purging the electoral roll of people who would vote for her but lets just agree to disagree. One of the most intriguing suggestions I've read is for Joe Biden to choose John Kasich (a Republican) as his VP. It's not a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: One of the most intriguing suggestions I've read is for Joe Biden to choose John Kasich (a Republican) as his VP. It's not a bad idea. I'm a fan of Kasich. That would be an interesting pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 13, 2020 Report Share Posted March 13, 2020 Covid-19 "hoax" to "national emergency" in how many days? The man needs professional help, and I mean personal medical help; he has all the political help he needs, must be ignoring it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 13, 2020 Report Share Posted March 13, 2020 he's been in contact with someone who has it from brazil, many people believe Trump has COVID-19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 7 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: he's been in contact with someone who has it from brazil, many people believe Trump has COVID-19 If that’s true he will be accusing the Russians of an assassination attempt o his life by germ warfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Palfy said: If that’s true he will be accusing the Russians of an assassination attempt o his life by germ warfare. Not sure he'll be blaming his handlers. More likely to throw that accusation at the Iranians or something. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Not sure he'll be blaming his handlers. More likely to throw that accusation at the Iranians or something. Or the Mexicans because if he'd built his wall it would've stopped the virus getting over the border. Palfy and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 29 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said: Orange Man bad. Beep boop beep! I don't see him as "bad"; I just see him as a fool and a narcissist. As I mentioned a few posts back, he's in serious need of psychological help, and I'm not joking about it I'm perfectly serious. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 15/03/2020 at 00:32, MikeO said: I don't see him as "bad"; I just see him as a fool and a narcissist. As I mentioned a few posts back, he's in serious need of psychological help, and I'm not joking about it I'm perfectly serious. He's implying you have Trump Derangement Syndrome and Trump has done nothing wrong and you can't see straight because of your hatred of him. It's pretty much the only response to genuine criticism of him now because he's so far gone with the handling of this virus that there's no defence. Matt, holystove and MikeO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 In the context of Corona Virus is there a way back for Bernie that outweighs the risk of a protracted primary process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Chach said: In the context of Corona Virus is there a way back for Bernie that outweighs the risk of a protracted primary process? https://www.npr.org/2020/03/18/817652715/bernie-sanders-will-assess-his-campaign-following-more-big-losses Chach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52012049 Matt, markjazzbassist and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 26, 2020 Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 Payback? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52053656 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, MikeO said: Payback? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52053656 In Spanish, of course: "We're going to build a wall, and Americans will pay for it!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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