ogg Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 More Ted Cruz or Paul Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 More Ted Cruz or Paul Ryan great you a a perfect candidate for what we have been talking about. Will you vote Trump, Hillary, Gary Johnson (Libertarian), someone else, or not vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogg Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 great you a a perfect candidate for what we have been talking about. Will you vote Trump, Hillary, Gary Johnson (Libertarian), someone else, or not vote? I believe that Trump is the lesser of two evils, so I will vote for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 I believe that Trump is the lesser of two evils, so I will vote for him. lost for words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 I believe that Trump is the lesser of two evils, so I will vote for him. and there you have it. most will just vote party lines. so like usual it will be the independent voters that sway the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 I believe that Trump is the lesser of two evils, so I will vote for him. Oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Oh dear. And this is why Donald Trump will win, I tell ya: Hillary is a terribly flawed candidate. The FBI may not be pressing charges, but a big majority believe she is guilty. It's OJ all over again. She is completely untrustworthy and would sell the country out for her own personal benefit. You don't tend to see this side of her on overseas news. It's rather depressing right now, and I'm really hoping other candidates will emerge in the party conferences - but it's a forlorn hope. ogg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogg Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 most will just vote party lines. It's not even that. I just agree with Trump on more points than I do with Hillary. Not to mention the fact that Hillary is so full of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 It's not even that. I just agree with Trump on more points than I do with Hillary. Not to mention the fact that Hillary is so full of shit. id rather a crook in a corrupt world than an antagonistic, xenophobic, mysoganistic megalomaniac. If I had a choice that is. Just curious, could Sanders run on his own now as an independent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 id rather a crook in a corrupt world than an antagonistic, xenophobic, mysoganistic megalomaniac. If I had a choice that is. Just curious, could Sanders run on his own now as an independent? Yes but it would take away votes from Hillary. So he won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 id rather a crook in a corrupt world than an antagonistic, xenophobic, mysoganistic megalomaniac. If I had a choice that is. Just curious, could Sanders run on his own now as an independent? There will be other candidates - Libertarian and Green, for sure - but the system is rigged to ensure they won't win. For starters, it's almost impossible for them to participate in the televised debates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 There will be other candidates - Libertarian and Green, for sure - but the system is rigged to ensure they won't win. For starters, it's almost impossible for them to participate in the televised debates. They have to get 5% or more of the popular vote to get government backing financially. Green couldn't with Ralph Nader and he was legitimately well known, so they will still be obscure. Johnson won't win but could get that vote which would make their party semi relevant in future elections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 They have to get 5% or more of the popular vote to get government backing financially. Green couldn't with Ralph Nader and he was legitimately well known, so they will still be obscure. Johnson won't win but could get that vote which would make their party semi relevant in future elections And they need 15% in the polls to participate in debates. If "A.N.Other" is an option in those polls, I doubt that Trump or Clinton will hit that mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Could this be the clincher? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36777424 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Could this be the clincher? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36777424 it was going to happen regardless, but he did get her to concede on some policy issues which puts her a little more left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Could this be the clincher? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36777424 No. My younger daughter is probably typical of the Bernie crowd. Under no circumstances will she vote for Hillary. My guess is that she, and many like her, will vote for Jill Stein (the Green party candidate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 That's scary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 No. My younger daughter is probably typical of the Bernie crowd. Under no circumstances will she vote for Hillary. My guess is that she, and many like her, will vote for Jill Stein (the Green party candidate). doubtful, my wife and i are bernie supporters and we won't be foolish enough to throw away our votes. we will be hillary all the way because anything else is voting for trump in a sense. most bernie voters knew he wasn't going to win but held out hope. the fact she conceded on some policy issues helped ease things, and a solid liberal VP candidate will solidify things even more. not to mention, once the first debate starts and trump can't just say " you're stupid, my idea is better" and has to try and explain policy and international relations and the like he will look like a complete idiot. hillary was secretary of state and is a great debater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 No. My younger daughter is probably typical of the Bernie crowd. Under no circumstances will she vote for Hillary. My guess is that she, and many like her, will vote for Jill Stein (the Green party candidate). My wife always votes green; it's not a "wasted" vote because it makes a point but it's not a relevant one in the scheme of things sadly. I assume the same applies over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 My wife always votes green; it's not a "wasted" vote because it makes a point but it's not a relevant one in the scheme of things sadly. I assume the same applies over there. it's wasted in the US because we don't have a parliment. it's all or nothing. so either waste your vote going green, indie, or libertarian knowing they won't be elected, or put it to use and vote hillary or trump. otherwise if you would have voted hillary and now vote green, it's essentially a vote for trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 It's very much early days, but the trend is clear. This is one of the more respected polling groups. http://www.qu.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2365 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) Going by those polls doesn't look like Johnson is gonna get to participate in any of the debates I was actually hoping he'd get some of the Trump voters. Edited July 14, 2016 by holystove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Mike Pence to be the Trump VP. The guy who passed a law in his homestate allowing companies to discriminate against gays and transgenders in the name of religious freedom? Great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Mike Pence to be the Trump VP. The guy who passed a law in his homestate allowing companies to discriminate against gays and transgenders in the name of religious freedom? Great! no surprise there. KKK leader was probably on the short list as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 no surprise there. KKK leader was probably on the short list as well. What I said about the religious freedom thing, I got from a flemish newspaper I was reading earlier. After reading up on Pence (on politico) apparently he did revise that law. Still it appears he finds himself to the right of Trump on most issues. Is he well known nationally? Is he a good debater? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 What I said about the religious freedom thing, I got from a flemish newspaper I was reading earlier. After reading up on Pence (on politico) apparently he did revise that law. Still it appears he finds himself to the right of Trump on most issues. Is he well known nationally? Is he a good debater? nope, indiana is a midwest state with one large city (indianapolis) and the rest is small towns and such, they aren't significant politically either. they're conservative and so is this guy. safe pick that will get the old republican guard (like my parents) excited because if they were hesitant to vote for him before this will "prove" he's just a normal republican. which he is not. it is still all bets off because there hasn't been a debate, i fully expect hillary to eviscerate him in the first debate and to watch his neanderthal tendencies on full display. plus if she chooses a latino running mate as has been rumored they will come out in droves to vote for her because of the latino and because trump wants to build a wall to stop latinos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith B Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 nope, indiana is a midwest state with one large city (indianapolis) and the rest is small towns and such, they aren't significant politically either. they're conservative and so is this guy. safe pick that will get the old republican guard (like my parents) excited because if they were hesitant to vote for him before this will "prove" he's just a normal republican. which he is not. it is still all bets off because there hasn't been a debate, i fully expect hillary to eviscerate him in the first debate and to watch his neanderthal tendencies on full display. plus if she chooses a latino running mate as has been rumored they will come out in droves to vote for her because of the latino and because trump wants to build a wall to stop latinos. This is right. He's a very conservative politician. He's also super dumb. He thinks smoking doesn't kill you, thinks global warming is a hoax, hates gay people, and doesn't think evolution is true. He'll appeal to who he is supposed to appeal to, but he won't appeal to any "moderate" voter sitting on the fence. Hillary Clinton is going to cruise to victory with 310+ electoral votes. Trump has to win every state Romney won, plus Florida, Virginia, and Ohio. He might nick one of those states (Florida) but not all three. Clinton only needs one of those three and she wins. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted July 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 If Hillary wins, it will be the first time that two Presidents have slept together (allegedly) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 No. My younger daughter is probably typical of the Bernie crowd. Under no circumstances will she vote for Hillary. My guess is that she, and many like her, will vote for Jill Stein (the Green party candidate). Steve I appreciate you posting this. I realized today that my vote won't count regardless because I live in a state that will go republican (and has every time). So after looking at the rest of the candidates Green Party Jill Stein looks the best to me. If I haven't moved by November I think she will get my vote. Cornish Steve and Chach 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) You can't make this up. The head of the supposedly neutral Democratic National Convention, who worked on earlier Clinton campaigns, was actively working to discredit Bernie Sanders and his campaign. Being found out (thanks to Wikileaks), she's been forced to resign. What happened next? She immediately joined the Clinton team. Talk about blatant and inappropriate. How does her party limit the damage? It's all Vladimir Putin's fault ("a vast right-wing conspiracy"). He wants Donald Trump elected, apparently, hacked the DNC's email server, and gave the incriminating evident to Wikileaks - who are really secret Trump agents. Do these people live the real world? The leaked documents also show how the Democratic party rewards their biggest financial donors with top government jobs (power can be bought, obviously). I'm sure it's no different with the Republican party. The whole process stinks. Edited July 25, 2016 by Cornish Steve markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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