Matt Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted September 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 someone took the time to actually write down what he says. You have to read between the lines - it makes more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Debate last night went from 0 to 60 in about 5 minutes. Both are looking worse every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Debate last night went from 0 to 60 in about 5 minutes. Both are looking worse every day car crash TV. Got in very late, put TV on, knew I shouldn't look, but couldn't help it ! markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 I decided to read about it rather than put myself through another series of shit-slinging. I feel for the US, stuck between a rock and a hard place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) I decided to read about it rather than put myself through another series of shit-slinging. I feel for the US, stuck between a rock and a hard place Both of them make me sick to my stomach. They have to be the two worst candidates in the history of any presidential election. Edited October 10, 2016 by TonkaRoost markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted October 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 This view may be overly simplistic but Trump is wealthy in his own right and is after 'power'. Hillary, on the other hand, just wants to make as much money as she can. It seems to have been the driving factor for the Clinton's for years. Hillary winning, in my view, is marginally less scary. Sibdane, markjazzbassist and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I don't know Clinton (and her history) as well as many other Toffeetalk-members but I thought she did very well in the second debate; even better than in the first. Trump on the other hand was far worse than in the first debate. He never answered the question and then complained about being interrupted by the moderators who tried to get him to discuss the topic at hand. I thought he was overly aggressive and very childish when things didn't go his way. How low is the bar set for donald trump if most political commentators said he did OK... They might be the worst candidates ever compared to other presidential elections, but in my opinion the second debate made verly clear that in this election one of them is much much worse than the other. MikeO, Matt, Chach and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Just been reading up/watching vid about Evan McMullin's chances of screwing Trump over in Utah, interesting. What do you Yanks think, realistic chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Just been reading up/watching vid about Evan McMullin's chances of screwing Trump over in Utah, interesting. What do you Yanks think, realistic chance? He has a marginal lead in Utah, but that's because he's a Mormon. If it doesn't translate to any other state, even if he wins, it makes absolutely no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 He has a marginal lead in Utah, but that's because he's a Mormon. If it doesn't translate to any other state, even if he wins, it makes absolutely no difference. But potentially takes six electoral college votes away from Trump, could that not sway things if it's close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Hillary, on the other hand, just wants to make as much money as she can. It seems to have been the driving factor for the Clinton's for years. This seems to be a common perception recently, but I don't really think it stands up to scrutiny. Bill was an exceptional student, Rhodes Scholar etc, could easily have done anything in law but chose public service, Hillary the same, an academic who put her husbands career first, taught law and set up a a legal aid clinic, hardly the path you take if money is your primary concern. Yes, they are rich now no doubt, but that is through book sales and public speaking gigs and when they started out you would be hard pressed to say that they could have foreseen the way that would have played out. I find this recent assertion by certain right wing elements that the Clinton Foundation is some kind of personal slush fund particularly distasteful, subsiding the cost of anti-viral drugs for people in poor countries who have HIV doesn't really seem like the work of sociopaths. MikeO and holystove 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/trump-win-election-brexit-right-wing-214359 Don't count out Trump. Interesting take by a Matthew Goodwin (UK journalist/professor). Turnout rates among poorly educated white voters threw cold water on the earlier claim that the angry white man would not show up, that he would be pushed aside by young cosmopolitans and the big cities. Overall turnout was high, at 72 percent, the highest for any U.K.-wide vote since 1992. Subsequent analysis of how this affected the vote suggests that Brexit won by mobilizing people who never normally vote, something that Trump hopes to emulate. The unexpectedly high turnout, especially in blue-collar communities, is why turnout models in the polls that were based on turnout at previous elections performed poorly; they failed to account for the mobilization of unlikely voters. Turnout was much higher among the Brexit-voting over-55s and strikingly lower among young voters who had promised to vote. Some estimate that whereas 64 percent of young people who were registered to vote did vote, this figure was 74 percent among people ages 55 to 64 and 90 percent among those ages 65 and above. In the aftermath of the Brexit victory, a petition emerged to overhaul the result through a second referendum. The largest number of signatures were in young and trendy areas like the London districts of Camden and Hackney, where voters had failed to turn out when it mattered. The Brexit vote is a powerful reminder not only of how identity can trump economics but also of how supporters of populist insurgents are often more loyal than many think. While the pro-EU side had focused relentlessly on dry arguments about jobs, wages and appeals to economic self-interest, Brexit was pushed over the line by a campaign that tapped into an intense cultural angst among blue-collar, left behind and older voters MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/trump-win-election-brexit-right-wing-214359 Don't count out Trump. Interesting take by a Matthew Goodwin (UK journalist/professor). Turnout rates among poorly educated white voters threw cold water on the earlier claim that the angry white man would not show up, that he would be pushed aside by young cosmopolitans and the big cities. Overall turnout was high, at 72 percent, the highest for any U.K.-wide vote since 1992. Subsequent analysis of how this affected the vote suggests that Brexit won by mobilizing people who never normally vote, something that Trump hopes to emulate. The unexpectedly high turnout, especially in blue-collar communities, is why turnout models in the polls that were based on turnout at previous elections performed poorly; they failed to account for the mobilization of unlikely voters. Turnout was much higher among the Brexit-voting over-55s and strikingly lower among young voters who had promised to vote. Some estimate that whereas 64 percent of young people who were registered to vote did vote, this figure was 74 percent among people ages 55 to 64 and 90 percent among those ages 65 and above. In the aftermath of the Brexit victory, a petition emerged to overhaul the result through a second referendum. The largest number of signatures were in young and trendy areas like the London districts of Camden and Hackney, where voters had failed to turn out when it mattered. The Brexit vote is a powerful reminder not only of how identity can trump economics but also of how supporters of populist insurgents are often more loyal than many think. While the pro-EU side had focused relentlessly on dry arguments about jobs, wages and appeals to economic self-interest, Brexit was pushed over the line by a campaign that tapped into an intense cultural angst among blue-collar, left behind and older voters My thinking exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 If the last debate tonight didn't sway you maybe this will http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/madonna-blow-job-oral-sex-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-us-election-2016-watch-a7370481.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 If the last debate tonight didn't sway you maybe this will http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/madonna-blow-job-oral-sex-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-us-election-2016-watch-a7370481.html My wife just pointed out that this will result in Trump voting for Hilary . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 He is such a man-child Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 My wife just pointed out that this will result in Trump voting for Hilary . Ha, just realised I wasn't referring to the main story....was referring to this.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3851980/Madonna-promises-sexual-favours-exchange-votes-Hillary-Clinton-introduces-Amy-Schumer-stand-routine-own.html rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Say what you want about Trump but I thought he had the best jokes at the Al Smith dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 There are other elections going on in November. Someone sent me this ad: "Please elect Gerald" MikeO, Chach and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37777652/donald-trumps-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star-smashed-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 I wonder if those Make America Great Again hats are gonna go out of fashion faster than the Von Dutch hats did! "Make America Great Again" is as vacuous and meaningless as "Take Back Control" was in Brexit. I hate politicians......but I've no idea what "Von Dutch" means/is . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 I would like a Make America Great Again hat, but I can't buy one because you can't order it on the official Donald J Trump from outside the US. Sure you could buy one on Amazon for a third of the prize, but I want the real thing. So sad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Von Dutch hats were popular about 10-15 years ago. All the celebrities were seen wearing them and they would go for "silly money". I remember having a rare one and it being quite a hit with the ladies. Then it turns out that Mr Von Dutch is a neo nazi white supremacist. The celebrities couldn't ditch their Von Dutch fast enough haha. Thanks Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Looking at these polling numbers it's a bit strange to have to conclude that the average white male voter is predominantly voting against the establishment, while if the "establishment" wins on November 8th it will be in large part thanks to the blacks, latino's and young voters. Who would have thought this could be possible 50 years ago.. (or even 10 years ago). Chach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 The current presidential election reminds me of this skit from Spitting Image. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 I don't have any doubt in my mind that he will win. I'd put money on him winning right now. Even now, I stick by this terrifying prediction. (It will be interesting to get SteveO's take.) And I have another take on this election: It won't be won by either major party; it will be won by organized crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 When's the final result/decision made? I initially took some interest but I didn't realise what a massively drawn out process it is Also who's looking the most likely to win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 When's the final result/decision made? I initially took some interest but I didn't realise what a massively drawn out process it is Also who's looking the most likely to win? Hilary is slightly ahead in the polls but this latest thing has hit her. Bookies have her at about 1/3 and Trump at about 5/2 but he's closing. I agree with Steve still, think Trump will steal it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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