Lowensda Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 And.......it begins. http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/678299/Southampton-Transfer-News-Graziano-Pelle-Agent-Talks-Everton-Stoke-City-China-Super-League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hafnia Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) I would like to see a better calibre of striker but I will say one thing... the lad will not be found idling when deulofeu is crossing the ball in. Get rid of niasse, kone, lukaku. Get this lad in and go for the marquee striker. Won't cost much more than £6m I think. Edited June 9, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Given our lack of depth upfront I would definitely have him in our squad for the next couple of seasons (not sure what his cost would be, but not massive at 30years old and only 12months left on his Southampton contract). Hard worker, and a good finished, especially with his head. The sort of striker who would thrive on Del boys crosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I'd defo take him, I like him. Not as our main strikerbut defo alongside a Lukaku or the likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 The more I think about it the more it makes sense. a very underrated player. Giroud like in ways maybe not as polished but puts in a shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Meh. Koeman don't seem to fancy him all that much so I'm clinging to that. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Personally I want my striker scoring goals, not convinced he'll get enough Romey 1878 and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Pre Moshiri I'd have been fairly happy to have him here but I'd like to see a higher calibre of player even if its as an impact/sub we need players that will push for places and if Lukaku goes and we bring in a top quality forward this lad won't put a rocket up his arse, its been one of our major problems over the last few seasons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) 11 prem goals in 30 this season. 12 in 38 last season. Based on minutes played in an Everton shirt in the prem - Rom has averaged a goal every 2.2 games. Pelle has averaged a goal every 2.6 games for Southampton. Equated on a level playing field of 38 games that projects Rom as 17.2 goals per season and pelle 14.6 per season. Pelle also doesn't take penalties. Personally for a player who arguably offers a lot more "team work" at a price which is a fraction of what Rom costs we could do a lot worse for a squad player. His goals per minutes is pretty good. Edit:- this probably identifies more a case of that it may not be that hard to replace Roms goals vs pelle being a great signing. He could be a good squad player but I want a full on goal machine- pain in the arse to defenders. Edited June 9, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 1 in 3 and we have a 1 in 2. i'd like to keep the status quo or do better, so another 1 in 2 for me. Pelle as a backup would be fine but that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Haf. He is a good player but a striker need to score more goals than he does, because goals win games. That simple. markjazzbassist and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I think we should be looking at the bigger picture. I want our team to score more goals and concede less. Don't care who scores them. Would rather win a trophy and finish higher up than have a golden boot winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Haf talking about Giroud again. Aha. Must be his beautiful French face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I think we should be looking at the bigger picture. I want our team to score more goals and concede less. Don't care who scores them. Would rather win a trophy and finish higher up than have a golden boot winner. agree, but if you have a golden boot winner, your chances of winning something increases greatly. Provided, of course, the manager can arrange a sodding defence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Haf. He is a good player but a striker need to score more goals than he does, because goals win games. That simple.As my stats show in goals per minutes he's not a million miles away from Rom. 2.5 goals a season less than Rom without pens... But yes, I want a striker who is more prolific and does more. But as I say he will be relatively peanuts and give us a great presence especially with Gerry crossing balls in. Edited June 9, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Haf talking about Giroud again. Aha. Must be his beautiful French face. Pelle and giroud.... Ooooohh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 As my stats show in goals per minutes he's not a million miles away from Rom. 2.5 goals a season less than Rom without pens... But yes, I want a striker who is more prolific and does more. But as I say he will be relatively peanuts and give us a great presence especially with Gerry crossing balls in. his goal tally is, that's what I'm interested in. Lacina Traore must have a 1 per 60 minute stat, it's very misleading. Anyway, we both agree; Pelle is a decent player but we need better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 his goal tally is, that's what I'm interested in. Lacina Traore must have a 1 per 60 minute stat, it's very misleading. Anyway, we both agree; Pelle is a decent player but we need better. Yes 1 goal in 60 minutes is an outlier but over 5000 minutes of football isnt. Pelle and Lukaku can be compared with a sufficient data set and the fact that based on minutes played Rom being a 17 goal projected scorer stands to reason just as pelle can at 14.5. Is that 2.5 goal a season average really worth all the baggage and expense? For me no and it never has been. I've stated on many occasions that a striker with Gerry firing those fizzing 6 yard box crosses should score plenty. For a period Rom did till he suddenly wasn't that interested in making the courageous rushes into the land of the goalkeeper. We need options. I would not be against having Pelle as a player to work the opposition defence in certain games whilst adding a sizeable threat and decent goalscoring threat. For me we need 3 or 4 strikers. Pelle seems a decent lad, good experience, knows the prem and will be very good value in the last year of his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Yes 1 goal in 60 minutes is an outlier but over 5000 minutes of football isnt. Pelle and Lukaku can be compared with a sufficient data set and the fact that based on minutes played Rom being a 17 goal projected scorer stands to reason just as pelle can at 14.5. The difference being Rom has actually scored 17 goals in a season in the PL. What was Rom's goal per minute ratio when he was at West Brom? I think it's time for Rom to go to, but I don't think the two are comparable at all. This would be a very underwhelming signing. Edited June 9, 2016 by TonkaRoost Matt, duncanmckenzieismagic and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I would be very dissapointed if we replaced Lukaku with Pelle, he is a downgrade and at 30 years of age he career will only be going in one direction We need to be aiming higher, granted it could prove difficult to attract a top class striker here but then I never dreamt we could attract Lukakau, and we have to be a better proposition now we have Moshiri's dosh behind us Romey 1878, markjazzbassist and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I would be very dissapointed if we replaced Lukaku with Pelle, he is a downgrade and at 30 years of age he career will only be going in one direction We need to be aiming higher, granted it could prove difficult to attract a top class striker here but then I never dreamt we could attract Lukakau, and we have to be a better proposition now we have Moshiri's dosh behind us No one is replacing lukaku with pelle.... we are looking at signing a striker for a squad that has no other real credible options at this moment or indeed has done since we sold Naismith. Pelle would cost no more than £8m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) The difference being Rom has actually scored 17 goals in a season in the PL. What was Rom's goal per minute ratio when he was at West Brom? I think it's time for Rom to go to, but I don't think the two are comparable at all. This would be a very underwhelming signing. I have given you a breakdown of minutes played and goals scored.... players can't score from the bench or treatment table... pelle was rotated with a very viable option in shane long. They are comparable. Simple as that. People just don't like reading it. Look at Aguero- case and point. Edited June 9, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I have given you a breakdown of minutes played and goals scored.... players can't score from the bench or treatment table... pelle was rotated with a very viable option in shane long. They are comparable. Simple as that. People just don't like reading it. Look at Aguero- case and point. Your as pompous in your "facts" as Lukaku is about his own ability. My point is that Lukaku was rotated more when at WBA, and the argument could be made that it's easier for someone to score against a tired defense, but I'm sure this point will be lost on you: Pelle works his socks off whereas Rom doesn't, and Rom still has a better goal per game ratio. Makes you wonder what he could do if he wasn't lazy. As much I'm sure you don't like reading it, they are not comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Your as pompous in your "facts" as Lukaku is about his own ability. My point is that Lukaku was rotated more when at WBA, and the argument could be made that it's easier for someone to score against a tired defense, but I'm sure this point will be lost on you: Pelle works his socks off whereas Rom doesn't, and Rom still has a better goal per game ratio. Makes you wonder what he could do if he wasn't lazy. As much I'm sure you don't like reading it, they are not comparable. Pompous? Pot kettle eh. Wba? Yep great example, they used long as a battering Rom and used to bring on Rom for the last 30 minutes. I've said on numerous occasions he's an expensive impact sub. Perfect for man city. The fact is people are saying pelle doesn't score... his stats suggest otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Pompous? Pot kettle eh. Wba? Yep great example, they used long as a battering Rom and used to bring on Rom for the last 30 minutes. I've said on numerous occasions he's an expensive impact sub. Perfect for man city. The fact is people are saying pelle doesn't score... his stats suggest otherwise. Not even close to what people are saying - They're saying he doesn't score enough, and his stats confirm that. Edited June 9, 2016 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Pompous? Pot kettle eh. Wba? Yep great example, they used long as a battering Rom and used to bring on Rom for the last 30 minutes. I've said on numerous occasions he's an expensive impact sub. Perfect for man city. The fact is people are saying pelle doesn't score... his stats suggest otherwise. He scores -- just not enough to warrant a comparison with Rom. Rom had 17 in 35 at WBA. Pelle's best ratio is 11 in 30 for Southhampton. Edited June 9, 2016 by TonkaRoost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Southampton created over 10% more chances than us both this season and last, so on a like for like and minutes played against minutes played basis, Pelle could have 10% more opportunities to score than Lukaku, yet still scores nearly 20% fewer goals. Not sure we could afford to suffer those reduced margins with the lack of goals from elsewhere in the team. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) He scores -- just not enough to warrant a comparison with Rom. Rom had 17 in 35 at WBA. Pelle's best ratio is 11 in 30 for Southhampton. It's 11 in 23. Created the same number of assists as Rom in 15 less games too. https://www.whoscored.com/Players/17909/History/Graziano-Pell Maybe this is where Southamptons chance creation comes from? As I say... a more rounded striker who's goal stats aren't a million miles away from Lukakus. At a price under £10m he will be a great squad addition. Not for one second am I saying he will go and smash the goals in for us... I just don't think he's far off what we have already got who is a supposed 50m+ player. Is that because he's 23 and all that stuff? I don't know but for me pelle will be a solid addition to the squad and the Lukaku money will be most welcome. Edited June 9, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 It's 11 in 23. Created the same number of assists as Rom in 15 less games too. Maybe this is where Southamptons chance creation comes from? As I say... a more rounded striker who's goal stats aren't a million miles away from Lukakus. At a price under £10m he will be a great squad addition. Where are you getting 23 from? I'm looking at the league last season and total games played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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