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Yep, he did. He hit the post on his debut, did pretty well against the Croatian defenders. The kid has got talent. He has an unusually muscular body for a 16-year-old, is incredibly fast and has a natural ability to score goals. His idol is Didier Drogba and they're quiet alike in style. He's currently the top scorer in Belgium scoring 13 goals in 22 games (=1297 minutes). But there's no way in hell Anderlecht are going to sell him for less than 15 million (€) now as he's an enormous hype for the moment. I think he'll stay with Anderlecht for another season and then he'll be sold to one of the top clubs in Europe.

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A 16 year old made his full debut for Belgium?

 

Doens't mean much .. Anthony Vanden Borre was a couple of days younger than Lukaku when he made his debut ... Now he plays for Portsmouth and can't make the national team even though Belgium has a RB problem.

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It's crazy because I was going to start a thread about Lukaku in the General Sport section for shits and giggles. This kid has got talent beyond my comprehension right now, he'd be a vital weapon to almost any attack in any European side. I wouldn't put his aquisition completely out of our reach though. His fate at the moment is heavily dictated by his father in Belgium (rightly so). I believe he's said things along the lines of him not wanting Romelu to go anywhere before he's finished a certain amount of schooling...so on and so forth. He's looking out for his son. He's also Belgian and playing for a senior squad that happens to have Fellaini as an integral part of their midfield. DM is a proper manager to entrust in the developement of your son's career.

 

Of course these are all lofty pipe dreams, especially considering others reactions to this recent news, but I'd reserve judgement until the time comes. It won't dissapoint me if he ends up elswhere, even in the EPL, but what I won't do is say we don't have the ability to attract and accomodate such a player. We're on the up, I even believe the Huntelaar loan was closer than it seemed; stranger things have happened.

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Looks to have all the attributes physically which is a great start, there have been many players who have had these attributes who just never made what they should have done, with players up to and including the likes of adriano. We have Anichebe who let's face it is a tremendous athlete, as is Joseph Yobo. I'm sure if you looked at Nyarko you would say the same. Beckford at Leeds is a strong pacey player, but by all accounts needs a few chances to score.

 

The biggest test is mentality, to be a Drogba you need to be a winner, someone with ice in their veins who can finish when only getting one or two chances a game - or when the pressure is high. This I think is when they reach the 'will they, won't they' stage - to spend £15m before then is a gamble. Drogba was a very late developer in terms of reaching his potential - Chelsea spent £25m plus on a proven european goalscorer.

 

Got to say though, seeing someone of this type of promise is what keeps the game great, I hope we can get some sort of deal arranged where payments are based on achievements, certainly having an iconic Belgian playing for us will mean that he knows who we are. The only way we are going to have a true world class under 25 striker playing for us is if we bring them through the ranks or we take a gamble on someone like him.

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The only doubts I've heard of about Lukaku seems to be whether his age is accurate.. But that seems to be the case whenever a younger player from Africa features on the frontpages.

 

Well seeing how his dad is Belgian and Lukaku was born in Belgium and doesn't have any other nationality than the Belgian one, I don't see how you can doubt his age.

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The only doubts I've heard of about Lukaku seems to be whether his age is accurate.. But that seems to be the case whenever a younger player from Africa features on the frontpages.

 

it's normal that people doubt about his age... But he is born in antwerp, and his father played also in belgium's first class.

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Love this vid.

 

 

This. Is why we wont get him haha.

 

Come on tenacious, we need to start emitting positive influence to see it come back to us in the future. If it isn't Lukaku this summer I'd be willing to bet someone of his caliber will be coming to us. With these performances of the new year grabbing headlines as they have, and with the manner we've won some of these matches, players and agents must be taking notice. If you can believe not every footballer is as jaded as some would seem, then we'll get some gem during the break like we always do. I've learned that just from seeing Felli and Johnny H blossom into forces in the league. There are some great quotes in that new Sports Illustrated Tim Howard article that speak to the same thing. Somewhere out of the blue, we'll find a great striker or winger that isn't interested in taking us to the shed in terms of contract demands, and a deal like that will only galvanize the team creed even further.

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Well seeing how his dad is Belgian and Lukaku was born in Belgium and doesn't have any other nationality than the Belgian one, I don't see how you can doubt his age.

 

And when you see an interview of him it's quite clear he isn't an adult, or h it should be that he is a great actor :)

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And when you see an interview of him it's quite clear he isn't an adult, or h it should be that he is a great actor :)

 

:) .. you're right.. he might have the physique of a 20 year old but he sounds like he's 12 .. comes out to 16.

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He hasn't really impressed me in international games so far. His touch often lets him down. I'd prefer someone else.

he is still only young, and he's has not had much game time at Chelsea, i reckon he would be good, he would fit into the oh so much talked about 4-5-1 very easy, he IS the big man to go upfront, with someone else in behind.

 

lets face it, he would be as good as, if not better than anything we have at the moment.

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he is still only young, and he's has not had much game time at Chelsea, i reckon he would be good, he would fit into the oh so much talked about 4-5-1 very easy, he IS the big man to go upfront, with someone else in behind.

 

lets face it, he would be as good as, if not better than anything we have at the moment.

 

This. He had the better of our back four when we played them in the cup, although sadly for him whenever I have seen him given a proper shot in the Chelsea team he seems to come on as a wide striker which clearly doesnt suit him.

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for the same reason Tolis and Denis wont be getting games - Saha is fit

 

Tolis and Denis aren't £20m strikers like Lukaku - Denis is dire and Tolis is getting his chances, Saha is better than both. Lukaku however may be a better option than Saha.

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Tolis and Denis aren't £20m strikers like Lukaku - Denis is dire and Tolis is getting his chances, Saha is better than both. Lukaku however may be a better option than Saha.

Denis hasnt had a chance to prove anything yet so I think thats a bit harsh. Lukaku was a 20m buy because of his potential more than his ability at the moment. I think he could be awesome in the future but is he better than Saha, someone who is proven in the EPL. Im honestly not sure. Im pretty sure Moyes wouldnt start him that much.

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Denis hasnt had a chance to prove anything yet so I think thats a bit harsh. Lukaku was a 20m buy because of his potential more than his ability at the moment. I think he could be awesome in the future but is he better than Saha, someone who is proven in the EPL. Im honestly not sure. Im pretty sure Moyes wouldnt start him that much.

 

Have you been to see Denis play??? He looks totally out of his depth in the English game. If Moyes had the opportunity to play a £20m striker then he would - look how much time Jo got initially (1st loan) before he deserved dropping 2nd loan.

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Have you been to see Denis play??? He looks totally out of his depth in the English game. If Moyes had the opportunity to play a £20m striker then he would - look how much time Jo got initially (1st loan) before he deserved dropping 2nd loan.

havent been to see him play in the flesh but from the 10 mins that I saw him play (which im sure is all he has played in EPL right?) he didnt do anything right or wrong. Far too early to write him off.

 

Fair point on Jo, lightning striking twice though?

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havent been to see him play in the flesh but from the 10 mins that I saw him play (which im sure is all he has played in EPL right?) he didnt do anything right or wrong. Far too early to write him off.

 

Fair point on Jo, lightning striking twice though?

 

Don't forget Moyes and his team see these players on the training ground every day. If Denis was good enough he would be getting his chance. Yep you saw him for 10minutes against Wigan and to be fair he did okay but against Chelsea he reminded me so much of Brett Angell it was untrue - sometimes you can just tell. (Please note I'd love him to bang 20 goals in now I've said this).

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Don't forget Moyes and his team see these players on the training ground every day. If Denis was good enough he would be getting his chance. Yep you saw him for 10minutes against Wigan and to be fair he did okay but against Chelsea he reminded me so much of Brett Angell it was untrue - sometimes you can just tell. (Please note I'd love him to bang 20 goals in now I've said this).

Fair enough, just hope youre wrong and im going to reserve judgement until hes been given a chance.

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Don't forget Moyes and his team see these players on the training ground every day. If Denis was good enough he would be getting his chance. Yep you saw him for 10minutes against Wigan and to be fair he did okay but against Chelsea he reminded me so much of Brett Angell it was untrue - sometimes you can just tell. (Please note I'd love him to bang 20 goals in now I've said this).

I think it's more his fitness, he looked a good 2 stone over-weight.

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In the Daily Mail too:

 

http://www.dailymail...ed-Everton.html

 

Some comments are on there saying he can't be registered to play for us as he has played for Chelsea and Anderlecht this year. He can be registed, but couldn't play!

 

But the rule actually says: "Players may be registered with a maximum of three clubs during one season. During this period, the player is only eligible to play offi cial matches for two clubs. As an exception to this rule, a player

moving between two clubs belonging to associations with overlapping seasons (i.e. start of the season in summer/autumn as opposed to winter/spring) may be eligible to play in offi cial matches for a third club during the relevant season, provided he has fully complied with his contractual obligations towards his previous clubs. Equally, the provisions relating to the registration periods (article 6) as well as to the minimum length of a contract (article 18 paragraph 2) must be respected."

 

Article 5.3 of http://www.fifa.com/...t_en_122007.pdf

 

He couldn't sign for Stoke on loan in August because players can't move twice in one transfer window.

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In the Daily Mail too:

 

http://www.dailymail...ed-Everton.html

 

Some comments are on there saying he can't be registered to play for us as he has played for Chelsea and Anderlecht this year. He can be registed, but couldn't play!

 

But the rule actually says: "Players may be registered with a maximum of three clubs during one season. During this period, the player is only eligible to play offi cial matches for two clubs. As an exception to this rule, a player

moving between two clubs belonging to associations with overlapping seasons (i.e. start of the season in summer/autumn as opposed to winter/spring) may be eligible to play in offi cial matches for a third club during the relevant season, provided he has fully complied with his contractual obligations towards his previous clubs. Equally, the provisions relating to the registration periods (article 6) as well as to the minimum length of a contract (article 18 paragraph 2) must be respected."

 

Article 5.3 of http://www.fifa.com/...t_en_122007.pdf

 

He couldn't sign for Stoke on loan in August because players can't move twice in one transfer window.

pretty sure I posted the Daily Mail link Louis tongue.png

 

edit : thought this 3 club rule didnt apply to loanees?

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Matt, I think it does..

 

10.2. (Aricle 10 is about loans) says "Subject to article 5 paragraph 3, the minimum loan period shall be the time between two registration periods."

 

Part of 5.3 is the paragraph in #39 where it states players can't play for 3 clubs in one season. In September, he played for Anderlecht, he's played for Chelsea since then so wouldn't be able to play for Everton til August 2012 when the new season starts.

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Matt, I think it does..

 

10.2. (Aricle 10 is about loans) says "Subject to article 5 paragraph 3, the minimum loan period shall be the time between two registration periods."

 

Part of 5.3 is the paragraph in #39 where it states players can't play for 3 clubs in one season. In September, he played for Anderlecht, he's played for Chelsea since then so wouldn't be able to play for Everton til August 2012 when the new season starts.

Im sure there was a player in the lower leagues, maybe Championship who played for 5 or more teams in 1 season, 1 month loans each time....

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bloke on the Chelsea forum i was talking too bout this said it was 2 clubs in a calender year, not season.

 

If that's true then come January we should be alright. i like this guy, tall, strong but quick and good with both feet. He reminds of Drogba actually. Hope he doesn't turn into an arrogant prick as welldry.png

 

All the same, I doubt we'll get him. I know Torres, Drogba, and Sturrdige are ahead of him, but a couple of injuries and with extra cup/european fixtures they'll need him I'm sure.

 

I wouldn't mind going for Kalou instead, I don't see him breaking his way back into the team since he normally plays wide for them. Kalou and drenthe on the wings would give us what villa had a few seasons back, with ashley young and agbonlahor. We're not very good at counter attack and I'd actually prefer a quick, decisive player above a potentially good striker. If scoring goals is a trade, setting them up can be an art form. We've genuinely lacked ingenuity in the final third, and I think we have players capable of scoring regularly, we just don't create good opportunities, just half chances and the occasional wonder strike. Still we all knew we would be linked with every out of favour striker in the prem when kenwright said money was available so lets just hope we get something in january.

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Fine pris', ignore me. I post a link to the FIFA regulations but you believe someone from the Chelsea forum. tongue.png FIFA say per season but if the domestic calendar is different for one club, an exception can be made.

 

Mascherano was given permission by FIFA. Liverpool initially loaned him for his registration and then sought permission from FIFA so he could actually play.

 

http://news.bbc.co.u...utd/6230031.stm - acknowledgement of the rules

 

http://news.bbc.co.u...ool/6267319.stm - seek special dispensation

 

http://www.telegraph...Mascherano.html - special dispensation given

 

Liverpool needed the FA to lodge the appeal. The Chief Executive of the FA at the time was Brian Barwick, a known Liverpool fan. That's why they the FA did it. wink.png

 

The decision was made because Corinthians' league runs from May to December. The rules I posted were brought in after the Mascherano decision. The decision helped shape the existing rules.

 

Mascherano would still have been able to sign for Liverpool under the existing rules because of the Brazilian football calendar operating a different schedule to our own.

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If that's true then come January we should be alright. i like this guy, tall, strong but quick and good with both feet. He reminds of Drogba actually. Hope he doesn't turn into an arrogant prick as welldry.png

 

I agree he's strong and quick, but he's also bad with both feet. I'd much rather play Vellios.

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I agree he's strong and quick, but he's also bad with both feet. I'd much rather play Vellios.

 

Fully agree. Lukaku is not that good (yet?). He's strong and quick which got him a lot of goals versus poor competition in Belgium.

 

When he gets the ball in his feet in a tight space he's crap.

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Fully agree. Lukaku is not that good (yet?). He's strong and quick which got him a lot of goals versus poor competition in Belgium.

 

When he gets the ball in his feet in a tight space he's crap.

Anichebe mark 2?

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Was just going to post that! shaking fist.png

 

Get's a big fat no from me. He's not played this season for Chelsea and when I have seen him play I don't see what the fuss is about. Chelsea paid an astonishing £13,000,000 for him and would want to re-coup as much of it as they can (money which we haven't got if we was to buy) so I can't see this one coming off - even as a loan deal.

 

IMO if he's going to move out of Stamford Bridge he will go abroad to Ligue 1.

 

Villas-Boas could be willing to let the 18-year-old spend next season away from Stamford Bridge on loan

 

Made me laugh that, is Villas-Boas really going to be there come next season?

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Was just going to post that! shaking%20fist.png

 

Get's a big fat no from me. He's not played this season for Chelsea and when I have seen him play I don't see what the fuss is about. Chelsea paid an astonishing £13,000,000 for him and would want to re-coup as much of it as they can (money which we haven't got if we was to buy) so I can't see this one coming off - even as a loan deal.

 

IMO if he's going to move out of Stamford Bridge he will go abroad to Ligue 1.

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Made me laugh that, is Villas-Boas really going to be there come next season?

It's very difficult to know how good he is, if anything it would have to be a loan, id hate to see us spend money on him, if we have striker money, then it needs to go on someone we know will hit the back of the net.

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Agreed that's why I don't want us to go in for him;

 

I don't want him to come to us on a permanant deal because he will cost too much and will be too much of a gamble. If we have the money out there for a top striker then we should be buying a top striker not someone who can't get a game for Chelsea.

 

I woulden't actually like him on loan either, he hasn't played all year and surely that speaks volumes (even at Chelsea) so for me he gets a big fat no. Surely there are other players out there that we could bring in that could do a better job?

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