Popular Post AlbanyNYToffee Posted February 5, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 Apologies in advance to those who hate numbers... This is a brief report showcasing stats under various formations concerning the much-maligned Keane, Schneiderlin and Gana. GP Pts For Against GD CS Avg pts Avg for Avg against Avg GD Total* 26 31 29 45 -16 6 1.19 1.12 1.73 -0.62 Back 3 7 5 5 17 -12 2 0.71 0.71 2.43 -1.71 Gana & Sch 14 16 14 25 -11 3 1.14 1.00 1.79 -0.79 Just Sch** 3 2 1 3 -2 1 0.67 0.33 1.00 -0.67 Just Gana 9 13 14 17 -3 2 1.44 1.56 1.89 -0.33 Keane 17 14 15 35 -20 3 0.82 0.88 2.06 -1.18 Back 3 w/ Keane 7 5 5 17 -12 2 0.71 0.71 2.43 -1.71 Back 3 w/ Gana and Sch 4 4 3 11 -8 1 1.00 0.75 2.75 -2.00 Gana in Back 4 7 12 12 10 2 2 1.71 1.71 1.43 0.29 *Starting lineup **Just Sch has 3 games - two of which the opponent was West Brom (H and A) These numbers don't tell the whole story...of course. But it's a decent representation given the sample size. I'll update this periodically with only 12 games left. A few of our general observations are confirmed: Any Back 3 that includes Keane, Gana and Schneiderlin turn off the tele or leave the stadium immediately. Keane is a disaster. Interesting it seems a back 4 with Gana and another supporting mid (Davies/Rooney) appears to work...better. nyblue23, Newty82, pete0 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 Would be interesting to see how many times those partnerships are played in more than 2 games before something gets changed again. MikeO and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 Seems that Gana in the back four without Morgan works. Is that our only positive goals difference? markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 @AlbanyNYToffee thumbs up for processing all the data! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 hours ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Apologies in advance to those who hate numbers... This is a brief report showcasing stats under various formations concerning the much-maligned Keane, Schneiderlin and Gana. GP Pts For Against GD CS Avg pts Avg for Avg against Avg GD Total* 26 31 29 45 -16 6 1.19 1.12 1.73 -0.62 Back 3 7 5 5 17 -12 2 0.71 0.71 2.43 -1.71 Gana & Sch 14 16 14 25 -11 3 1.14 1.00 1.79 -0.79 Just Sch** 3 2 1 3 -2 1 0.67 0.33 1.00 -0.67 Just Gana 9 13 14 17 -3 2 1.44 1.56 1.89 -0.33 Keane 17 14 15 35 -20 3 0.82 0.88 2.06 -1.18 Back 3 w/ Keane 7 5 5 17 -12 2 0.71 0.71 2.43 -1.71 Back 3 w/ Gana and Sch 4 4 3 11 -8 1 1.00 0.75 2.75 -2.00 Gana in Back 4 7 12 12 10 2 2 1.71 1.71 1.43 0.29 *Starting lineup **Just Sch has 3 games - two of which the opponent was West Brom (H and A) These numbers don't tell the whole story...of course. But it's a decent representation given the sample size. I'll update this periodically with only 12 games left. A few of our general observations are confirmed: Any Back 3 that includes Keane, Gana and Schneiderlin turn off the tele or leave the stadium immediately. Keane is a disaster. Interesting it seems a back 4 with Gana and another supporting mid (Davies/Rooney) appears to work...better. Fair play to you mate very interesting is there a stat for Schneiderlin with a back four and no Gana or hasn't that scenario been played. What most of advocated against, which is no back three and Schneiderlin and Gana doesn't work, your stats have proven us to be correct unbelievable that Koeman and Allardyce couldn't work it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted February 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 Glad some like it. Palfy: Schneiderlin has played without Gana three times. 0-0 tie to WBA where we also started three CBs. He also started twice with a back four. We lost 2-0 to Utd and tied WBA 1-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 Gana's shit though, headless chicken, errr.. welll yeah. Pete and Palfy can get a room somewhere cause it's plain to see what everyone has been saying, he's our best DM. get off it now boys, Gana is a great player. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: Gana's shit though, headless chicken, errr.. welll yeah. Pete and Palfy can get a room somewhere cause it's plain to see what everyone has been saying, he's our best DM. get off it now boys, Gana is a great player. Great Mark , forgot to take the reality pills today did we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Gana's shit though, headless chicken, errr.. welll yeah. Pete and Palfy can get a room somewhere cause it's plain to see what everyone has been saying, he's our best DM. get off it now boys, Gana is a great player. Just because he’s the best we’ve got in that position, doesn’t mean he’s a great player (assuming there’s no sarcasm implied here). He’s still a lot better than either Palfy or Pete give him credit for though Newty82 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 7 hours ago, Matt said: Just because he’s the best we’ve got in that position, doesn’t mean he’s a great player (assuming there’s no sarcasm implied here). He’s still a lot better than either Palfy or Pete give him credit for though i think he's a great player honestly, he's one of the best we have. he's a specialist, he's not a milner type who does a bunch jobs good, he does one job great. he wins the ball back, disrupts play, harries attackers, makes tackles, intercepts, he's a classic destroyer. i prefer specialists over the milner types who do everything at that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 41 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: i think he's a great player honestly, he's one of the best we have. he's a specialist, he's not a milner type who does a bunch jobs good, he does one job great. he wins the ball back, disrupts play, harries attackers, makes tackles, intercepts, he's a classic destroyer. i prefer specialists over the milner types who do everything at that position. I'm a big fan of him too, but he's not great in my eyes. He's a Jack Russell of a player, but I'd like him to be a bit more clinical with his passing before I label him great. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 23 hours ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Apologies in advance to those who hate numbers... This is a brief report showcasing stats under various formations concerning the much-maligned Keane, Schneiderlin and Gana. GP Pts For Against GD CS Avg pts Avg for Avg against Avg GD Total* 26 31 29 45 -16 6 1.19 1.12 1.73 -0.62 Back 3 7 5 5 17 -12 2 0.71 0.71 2.43 -1.71 Gana & Sch 14 16 14 25 -11 3 1.14 1.00 1.79 -0.79 Just Sch** 3 2 1 3 -2 1 0.67 0.33 1.00 -0.67 Just Gana 9 13 14 17 -3 2 1.44 1.56 1.89 -0.33 Keane 17 14 15 35 -20 3 0.82 0.88 2.06 -1.18 Back 3 w/ Keane 7 5 5 17 -12 2 0.71 0.71 2.43 -1.71 Back 3 w/ Gana and Sch 4 4 3 11 -8 1 1.00 0.75 2.75 -2.00 Gana in Back 4 7 12 12 10 2 2 1.71 1.71 1.43 0.29 *Starting lineup **Just Sch has 3 games - two of which the opponent was West Brom (H and A) These numbers don't tell the whole story...of course. But it's a decent representation given the sample size. I'll update this periodically with only 12 games left. A few of our general observations are confirmed: Any Back 3 that includes Keane, Gana and Schneiderlin turn off the tele or leave the stadium immediately. Keane is a disaster. Interesting it seems a back 4 with Gana and another supporting mid (Davies/Rooney) appears to work...better. Wonder if anyone at the club looks at stats... or can do simple math.... So many squad changes this year, feels like they use a random generator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: i think he's a great player honestly, he's one of the best we have. he's a specialist, he's not a milner type who does a bunch jobs good, he does one job great. he wins the ball back, disrupts play, harries attackers, makes tackles, intercepts, he's a classic destroyer. i prefer specialists over the milner types who do everything at that position. Whilst players of Gana's ability play for this team we will never progress, he is far from a great player he's very average and certainly not good enough for this league. He most definitely is not a great player to be honest Mark the American definition of great most be polls apart from what we consider great, or you've had a bang on the head nyblue23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Those stats say different though. They say he is one of our best options at the back of paired correctly. He may not be great.... not sure we have too many greats in this team if any.... Rooney beside. But he is important to us and easily good enough for the premier league. A few crazed fans and Joey Barton don’t rate him, but pretty much anyone in the game does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 20 hours ago, Palfy said: Whilst players of Gana's ability play for this team we will never progress, he is far from a great player he's very average and certainly not good enough for this league. He most definitely is not a great player to be honest Mark the American definition of great most be polls apart from what we consider great, or you've had a bang on the head Not good enough for this league? Delusional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 39 minutes ago, nyblue23 said: Not good enough for this league? Delusional. Really, I bet we've never had offer for him yet we have had 20M offer for Schneiderlin and he's been portrayed as the worst player in the team, I wonder why surely it can't be because he's a great player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, Palfy said: Really, I bet we've never had offer for him yet we have had 20M offer for Schneiderlin and he's been portrayed as the worst player in the team, I wonder why surely it can't be because he's a great player. It’s because other teams see Morgan as surplus here, while they see Gana as an important part of the team.... so won’t waste time with an offer. Suppose Vlasic isn’t good enough, Rooney, and a host of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, Shukes said: It’s because other teams see Morgan as surplus here, while they see Gana as an important part of the team.... so won’t waste time with an offer. Suppose Vlasic isn’t good enough, Rooney, and a host of others. Not because he's not good enough then, teams don't care whether or not they think a player is integral to the club there at or not if they like what the see they put an offer in, as an Everton supporter you should be aware of that it's happened to us more than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 55 minutes ago, Palfy said: Really, I bet we've never had offer for him yet we have had 20M offer for Schneiderlin and he's been portrayed as the worst player in the team, I wonder why surely it can't be because he's a great player. If only we had that 20M.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 33 minutes ago, Palfy said: Not because he's not good enough then, teams don't care whether or not they think a player is integral to the club there at or not if they like what the see they put an offer in, as an Everton supporter you should be aware of that it's happened to us more than most. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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