AlbanyNYToffee

On 20/12/2022 at 09:12, plaidharper said:

Ended up renting a car.  Thanks for the insight!

What's your plan @plaidharper? Living vicariously through you on this one. 

We need a striker and winger. Gonna have to survive with the rest. Want both of them to be young and hungry to prove themselves on the biggest stage. Elanga on loan makes sense and if we could somehow sell the project to Jonathan David that would be great. Some bias here but considering the fees the clubs would be seeking Yunus Musah (CM) and Tim Weah (W) are great value. Same argument for David - we'd have to sell the project. 

Would love this signing - for the long-term. If we're expecting him to solve our goal scoring issues immediately this is destined to fail. It's going to take him 12-18 months to settle coming from MLS. Numerous examples out there - Almiron, Aaronson (Salzburg), Harrison, Pepi, Reynolds, Buchanan etc. Alphonso Davies was the exception to the rule at Bayern. 

21 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Oh yes easily, I have many examples.

City have DeBruyne who is known for creativity, but just watch him play and you’ll see he doesn’t give up on anything.

Alverez must be at the top of the game for giving it his all surely?

Foden is a nightmare for defences as he is one of the best high press in the league.

Liverpool are known for the pressure game. The whole team is set up for it…. Far to many examples to mention.

Spurs have a little known player called Son, who is one of the most energetic players in the league.

Arsenal have several younger players who are hungry and give everything. You may have noticed Martinez, and absolute live wire.

Just a few off the top of my head, but honestly watch a few other matches and see how many joggers get away with it.

17 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I don’t think we’re on a different era of football at all. 
I think Everton maybe. 
 

Im in the modern era where work rate destroys teams. Watch the teams at the top and you will easily see they have players who get stuck in, players who don’t give up on lost causes, players who fight for the ball. 
 

I honestly rarely come back from a match, sit on the coach and have a discussion of how we gave it our all…. And should be proud of ourselves. 
And funnily enough….. no one else on the coach seems to be saying it either, or the stands for that matter. 
 

In fact, there was a resounding Boo at full time after Wolves, to go with the boos at half time.

Thanks Shukes definitely see where you're coming from now and I 1000% agree with you on the high press. We're just defining work rate differently I suppose. I wouldn't say any of the players you mentioned (Son is best example and I know the shite has quite a few hard workers) give their all every match. Many have large stretches where they're complete passengers. But this is where we agree on the high press. A good one hides so many of your other flaws and allows players to rest at certain points in the match. As I know you would I'd also love to see us adapt a high press and really challenge teams physically and Frank is trying but it's hard to press with unathletic dogshit. Speaking of that's the other part of your post we're on the same page. The players you mentioned are naturally gifted athletes. We only have a few those. 

I don't think it's particularly popular because we're desperate for success after so many years of tough sledding and more recently relegation battles, but when you look at our recruitment in 17/18 (I'm a huge believer Everton is the only club who could have survived this long), 18/19 and 19/20 it's nothing short of an absolute miracle we're still in the league. For 3 straight years the team got worse on the field, more expensive and had no sell-on value. A club our size, no matter how rich the owner, can't do that. And I know I'm completely beating a dead horse right now and mostly off-topic from where we started above I just can't say it enough. I'm completely done with this game where we pile on a manager after a year and get him sacked (Benitez excluded, the rat). We signed Maupay as a backup to DCL, not expecting to need him for large stretches, not because Frank or Kevin or anyone on the staff thought he was good. The whole world can see he's not. He's the best we could do in our current situation. I have absolutely 0 faith in Moshiri and Kenwright to run the club. I have some faith that Frank and Kevin can improve the team and academy enough to make us a worthy investment for some other rich dude. Maybe, just maybe, the next rich dude will be more competent. Until that day comes I'll be supporting this club with everything I've got and expecting a relegation battle at all times. COYB. 

3 hours ago, Shukes said:

Not unfair. I’ve grown up watching players absolutely bust a gut for Everton. 
I honestly don’t watch any of those players and think, they are giving their absolute all. 
I think they are very professional and try every match. But I don’t see them dying for their team. 
 

My point was more to do with that 100 miles per hour player in any case. That player can seek to go non stop for the whole match, then jog home.

I see players in pretty much 90% of premier teams that are like that. But not us? 
 

Gana is about the closest we have, and he is 34 years old now.

 

Edit: could you please take Mina and McNeil from your post as well please. In no universe ever have those players have it their all. 
Mcneil doesn’t have a sprint on his locker, a brisk jog is about his best.

Mina, I don’t know what to say. Watching his own players drag him to his feet and say for come on! Says everything for me.

Fair enough. I think we're just in a different era of football. When you say players in pretty much 90% of premier teams that are like that who are you referring to? I'm sure you have some examples - off the top of my head I can't think of any. Who is doing what you describe for City? Utd? Spurs? Chelsea? the Shite? Arsenal?

2 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Bit unfair. Never questioned whether Coady, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Mina, Godfrey, Seamus, Iwobi, McNeil and Townsend have given everything. Most of the others it's a moment or two of laziness/lack of awareness. Quality is our problem not effort. While we haven't necessarily improved our results this year's squad is the most industrious in quite a few seasons. 

Maupay is complete garbage but he puts in more effort than Kean, Tosun, King etc. Dele was a passenger. Gomes couldn't run anymore. Gbamin was a traffic cone. Walcott was useless. Bernard tried his best but was significantly too small. 

35 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Every team in the premier league seem to have that one player that gives 100%…… other than us.

Find that player and it will flood through the team. 
 

Does Allan Ball have a son?

 

Bit unfair. Never questioned whether Coady, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Mina, Godfrey, Seamus, Iwobi, McNeil and Townsend have given everything. Most of the others it's a moment or two of laziness/lack of awareness. Quality is our problem not effort. While we haven't necessarily improved our results this year's squad is the most industrious in quite a few seasons. 

City 1 - 1 Everton

Coady

Bournemouth 0 - 0 Everton

none

2 hours ago, Tonsta said:

Must put out our best team for this and show our intent.

After the weekend they have a month off, so no problem with fatigue.

Unless they’re fatigued on Saturday from 3 games in a week and two trips to the south coast. We’re now winless in 7 against promoted sides. Saturday is obviously not a must win this early but it sure as hell feels very important with the layoff coming. 

4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Can't say I'm arsed about this in the slightest tbh.

Hope to see the likes of Garner, Mills, Welch get some sort of a go and maybe see something of Price and/or Whitaker.

Agreed.

Begovic
Patterson Holgate Welch Vinagre
Davies Doucoure Garner (in the hole)
McNeil Rondon Gordon

Somehow Maupay is even harder to watch than Rondon. 

Everton 2 - 2 Leicester

Gordon

On 26/10/2022 at 23:42, dunlopp9987 said:

Well I finally went ahead and booked my flights, headed over there for a couple weeks in late April. Newcastle on the 25th is the only home game I'll be there for, so gonna do everything in my power to nab a ticket.

Also wouldn't mind meeting up with you lot!

Would be happy to buy one for you and you Venmo me for it. I’m a member so get ticket access to home games. 

Fulham 0 - 1 Everton

Iwobi

10 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

• Fulham have won two of their last three Premier League games against Everton.

• Everton won their last away Premier League match against Fulham in November 2020, winning 3-2. The Toffees have never won consecutive away league games against the Cottagers.

• This will be Marco Silva’s first Premier League match against Everton since he left the club in 2019. He lost his two previous games against them before taking charge, losing 4-0 in March 2017 with Hull and 3-2 with Watford in November 2017.

• Everton are winless in their last six league games against promoted sides.

Jesus six winless against promoted sides is absolutely fucking dreadful. 

Incredible thing to me is the team have 11 goals. Iwobi has assisted 5 of them. City have 36 so from my very biased  perspective Iwobi's achievement is nearly 2x as impressive as KDB's 9 assists. 

KDB 9/36
Iwobi 5/11
Bernardo 5/36
Andreas 4/22
Saka 4/25
Vardy 4/21
 

Amazing. 

Here's how I see it:

Locks: Pickford, Gana
Most likely: Coady
Darn close: Tarkowski, Onana
Still technically possible: DCL, Vinagre

Everyone else heads to the land down under. 

Everton 2 - 0 Palace

DCL

Newcastle 2 - 2 Everton

DCL

Spurs 0 - 0 Everton

None

Everton 1 -1 Utd 

Gordon

Southampton 1 - 3 Everton

Gordon

Literally the first player who could have gotten injured has. FFS. What did all of us do in a past life to deserve this torturous love affair?

Ok we're building something here and feeling good so who wants to guess which key player gets hurt on international duty...sorry for the doom and gloom.

Coady, Patterson, Mykolenko, Gordon, Onana, Gana, Iwobi, Garner. Not wishing ill will on Rondon or Coleman but that would be best case scenario.