SpartyBlue

Bit early to be calling Gomes or Gbamin a waste isn’t it? That aside, it’s the reality at all clubs with some money that you’re going to have expensive players in the bench. For example, James Rodríguez at Real Madrid.

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1800949/gordon-signs-new-five-year-everton-deal
Great news,

It will be interesting to see how the addition of James effects everyone. We have seriously upgraded our offensive threat with his signing and the fact that he isn't gonna offer much defensively should change the role of our midfield a bit. Be solid defensively, win the ball, get it up to James, Richie our out to Digne/Coleman. Having a more narrowly defined role should help some of our midfielders focus on their jobs. Part of the reason Gueye was so effective is that he was not asked to do more than he was capable of.

I know the pain. 
I saw Manny Fernandes in La Tasca in town after he had flown in due to sign tomorrow. Said hello and asked him if he was there to sign for Everton, he said “tomorrow, tomorrow” and we left him to his dinner. 
The next day he jumped on a flight to Valencia. 
He was in the fucking city centre, get the contract signed then go and get a bit of tapas. 
 
Actaully, I’ve only just seen the irony of him going for a Spanish meal and deciding to bugger off to Spain. 
😂

I hear ya but I think there is a pretty large gap in perception between Gomes and James Rodríguez if he’s coming off a productive season. He’s been a household name in football for 6-7 years. I’m sympathetic to the thought that we don’t want to be paying him big wages if he’s injured but this is just such a unique opportunity. Let’s be honest, if we didn’t have Carlo and if James didn’t have an injury history we’d never have a chance to sign him. 

It’s also hard to put a price on how future signings will look at us if we can get him here. Ancelotti, Richarlison, Rodriguez..new stadium on the horizon..we start to look pretty attractive and like we’ve got something going. Forgive my Yankee-ness but this reminds me of what happened with the baseball team I support many years ago. We were not a sexy destination and were struggling to be a winner. Somehow we managed to sign a Hall of Fame player towards the middle/back half of his career. That signing made us more attractive to other players and ushered in many years of success. Even the chance that James Rodríguez in an Everton shirt can spur that same sort of reaction is worth the risk, for me.

Just as a general point on Rodríguez, it could go either way. He could sign on loan, play every game be a standout and then sign elsewhere at the end of the season. Or he could sign a 3 year deal and play a dozen games across the first 2 seasons.
None of us know how it will go but isn't it great to be talking about a player of his quality in that way! 

You make a good case and I wouldn’t argue with you, it will be a fantastic opportunity for us to get him in any capacity, so will be interesting to see how this plays out. And as I have said I won’t be disappointed if it’s 3 years or 1 year loan, just having my cake and eating it. 

I hear ya but I think there is a pretty large gap in perception between Gomes and James Rodríguez if he’s coming off a productive season. He’s been a household name in football for 6-7 years. I’m sympathetic to the thought that we don’t want to be paying him big wages if he’s injured but this is just such a unique opportunity. Let’s be honest, if we didn’t have Carlo and if James didn’t have an injury history we’d never have a chance to sign him. 

It’s also hard to put a price on how future signings will look at us if we can get him here. Ancelotti, Richarlison, Rodriguez..new stadium on the horizon..we start to look pretty attractive and like we’ve got something going. Forgive my Yankee-ness but this reminds me of what happened with the baseball team I support many years ago. We were not a sexy destination and were struggling to be a winner. Somehow we managed to sign a Hall of Fame player towards the middle/back half of his career. That signing made us more attractive to other players and ushered in many years of success. Even the chance that James Rodríguez in an Everton shirt can spur that same sort of reaction is worth the risk, for me.

I hear ya but I think there is a pretty large gap in perception between Gomes and James Rodríguez if he’s coming off a productive season. He’s been a household name in football for 6-7 years. I’m sympathetic to the thought that we don’t want to be paying him big wages if he’s injured but this is just such a unique opportunity. Let’s be honest, if we didn’t have Carlo and if James didn’t have an injury history we’d never have a chance to sign him. 

It’s also hard to put a price on how future signings will look at us if we can get him here. Ancelotti, Richarlison, Rodriguez..new stadium on the horizon..we start to look pretty attractive and like we’ve got something going. Forgive my Yankee-ness but this reminds me of what happened with the baseball team I support many years ago. We were not a sexy destination and were struggling to be a winner. Somehow we managed to sign a Hall of Fame player towards the middle/back half of his career. That signing made us more attractive to other players and ushered in many years of success. Even the chance that James Rodríguez in an Everton shirt can spur that same sort of reaction is worth the risk, for me.

I’m agreeing with Haf and Sparta on this one. 
We should be a football team first and foremost, business come second for me as a fan. That’s what a board is for, they can worry about that and are far more qualified than me.
Pienaar was a player that no one really wanted, loan and buy was a good option.
James is a player that everyone is looking at, but worried about his levels. If they see him perform... he leaves. 
Lock him down and make sure if he does go, we get a good price for him. 
 
Funny, but usually our fans have business heads on them on this forum... but suddenly they have turned to mush!

For one he is taking a significant pay cut - Bernard level wages.
2. He improves us immensely
3. Injuries are insured
4. Commercial value is huge
5. He increases appeal to other players to come and others like Richalison to retain
 

Again, I think you’re being generous if you believe that James Rodríguez can have a very good season in the premier league and won’t have clubs higher up the table bidding for his services, particularly on a free. Everyone has some valid concerns about him but a healthy campaign will go a long way in addressing that. If I’m James, I want a loan to a good club where I’m guaranteed games and am familiar with the manager and can prove to everyone I’m still a world class talent. 12 months can make a huge difference at this stage of his career. 

I think this is a bit naive. Other teams are likely unwilling to take a chance on big wages for a player with his injury history. They have the luxury of signing players of his caliber who have less concerns because they can attract those players, something we cannot currently do. This is a guy who went from Monaco to Real Madrid to Bayern Munich. It’s unrealistic to think that if he has a great season for us he won’t be courted by some of the biggest clubs in the world (again).
 
I don’t know where his priorities lie at this stage of his career but 12 months can change quite a lot, which is why a player who is worth 20m one year can be worth 60m the next. It’s a risk worth taking however we get him but the reality is that he could simply  view us as a place to recharge his batteries under a manager he knows well before moving on to a CL team. 

I think this is a bit naive. Other teams are likely unwilling to take a chance on big wages for a player with his injury history. They have the luxury of signing players of his caliber who have less concerns because they can attract those players, something we cannot currently do. This is a guy who went from Monaco to Real Madrid to Bayern Munich. It’s unrealistic to think that if he has a great season for us he won’t be courted by some of the biggest clubs in the world (again).
 
I don’t know where his priorities lie at this stage of his career but 12 months can change quite a lot, which is why a player who is worth 20m one year can be worth 60m the next. It’s a risk worth taking however we get him but the reality is that he could simply  view us as a place to recharge his batteries under a manager he knows well before moving on to a CL team. 

I think this is a bit naive. Other teams are likely unwilling to take a chance on big wages for a player with his injury history. They have the luxury of signing players of his caliber who have less concerns because they can attract those players, something we cannot currently do. This is a guy who went from Monaco to Real Madrid to Bayern Munich. It’s unrealistic to think that if he has a great season for us he won’t be courted by some of the biggest clubs in the world (again).
 
I don’t know where his priorities lie at this stage of his career but 12 months can change quite a lot, which is why a player who is worth 20m one year can be worth 60m the next. It’s a risk worth taking however we get him but the reality is that he could simply  view us as a place to recharge his batteries under a manager he knows well before moving on to a CL team. 

I think this is a bit naive. Other teams are likely unwilling to take a chance on big wages for a player with his injury history. They have the luxury of signing players of his caliber who have less concerns because they can attract those players, something we cannot currently do. This is a guy who went from Monaco to Real Madrid to Bayern Munich. It’s unrealistic to think that if he has a great season for us he won’t be courted by some of the biggest clubs in the world (again).
 
I don’t know where his priorities lie at this stage of his career but 12 months can change quite a lot, which is why a player who is worth 20m one year can be worth 60m the next. It’s a risk worth taking however we get him but the reality is that he could simply  view us as a place to recharge his batteries under a manager he knows well before moving on to a CL team. 

I think this is a bit naive. Other teams are likely unwilling to take a chance on big wages for a player with his injury history. They have the luxury of signing players of his caliber who have less concerns because they can attract those players, something we cannot currently do. This is a guy who went from Monaco to Real Madrid to Bayern Munich. It’s unrealistic to think that if he has a great season for us he won’t be courted by some of the biggest clubs in the world (again).
 
I don’t know where his priorities lie at this stage of his career but 12 months can change quite a lot, which is why a player who is worth 20m one year can be worth 60m the next. It’s a risk worth taking however we get him but the reality is that he could simply  view us as a place to recharge his batteries under a manager he knows well before moving on to a CL team. 

Definitely three year deal for me. 
I hate to think we are here just to put him in the shop window for bigger teams. 
 
Again, we need to start thinking like a big team. Risk v reward.

Problem with that is if he stays healthy and performs we may have a lot of trouble keeping him around. The risk is higher with a 3 year deal but the reward is far greater. 

If it is a loan it makes sense for both parties, though I’d prefer to buy him. He gets all the games he wants for a manager he knows before being on the market and getting a chance at another huge club. We get a potentially world class player and at least a chance to sign him beyond that. 

I think Davies would do alright  in the Championship because I believe that is just his level. He works hard and is a leader (would not have been given the captaincy otherwise), nobody can take that away from him. I just don’t think his technical ability and speed of thought is up to the standards of a premier league team with European ambition.
Gordon is a different case. I think it’s clear he does have the brain and the ability to succeed at this level. What he lacks (in my opinion) the physicality and the defensive awareness are things that I believe can be improved. By all accounts he worked hard on his body during the shutdown and I would think focusing on that for another year or two would really do him well. 
 
I agree either  of them would benefit from a season full of games, of course, and neither is likely to get it with our first team barring some bad injury luck.
 
 
 
 

I think Anthony Gordon is ready to contribute but I also wouldn’t mind seeing him get a full year of games in a tough, competitive league to see if he can improve defensively and if his body can hold up for a full season with that type of physicality. 

An example being Richarlison who we "broke the market" with and who, 18 months later,is one of the more promising young players in world football and likely worth twice what we paid.

Not to mention that he’s at a club having a poor season who just sacked their manager. He needs to be more professional, of course, but the kid is 19. This is one of those situations where I think throwing an arm around him and offering encouragement would go a lot farther than the sink or swim treatment. Young players need to be allowed to make mistakes without the fear that they will get immediately yanked if they have a bad spell. DCL, Davies etc.. have certainly made their share and I don’t think either has Kean’s potential.
A lot of this has to do with relegation. If we were in a more comfortable position I imagine he’d be given more leash but right now points are vital so he’s given much less of a chance. I hope that when we do get a new manager in he’s mature enough to see it as a fresh start. Certainly if it’s Ancelotti you’d think he’d have no choice but to listen and learn.

Obviously a big difference today in terms of our intensity, highlighted by a very telling stat. We out tackled Chelsea 37-15. If you exclude fouls conceded that number is 23-6. Really drives home the point that we were extremely physical and made it hard on them. If we can keep up that sort of effort then, regardless of the result, nobody will want to play us.