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Inevitable. Thought there were times last season when things were looking really good under him, but then again we stuffed Guardiola's City 4-0 under Koeman. Hindsight confirms the worries when he arrived - just not of the right pedigree for where we want to be. 

The bigger picture is that is now four managerial sackings in three years since Moshiri took over, and this of all of them reflects the worst on his decision making. He can't afford any more cock ups, the Prem is a brutal league and if we don't get some stability and direction we'll end up in the Championship. 

11 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

There will be an announcement tonight (UK time).  You don't parade the board down to Finch Farm and then go silent.

This is Everton mate. Who knows what the fuck is going on. 

4 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/dec/05/marco-silva-everton-managerial-mystery-watford-hull

This interesting article about his unconventional career suggests he’s off, but then at the very end says: “The real game-changer here would be to keep Silva, to make him settle and work with the players, to stay a while and grow roots for the first time in his elite career.”

And the real twist in that tale would be we get relegated and he gets to do all that work in the Championship! 

2 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Apologies read it as all three, still he's better than Niasse. Surely that's not debatable. Niasse is unpredictable mess of a footballer but very limited. Depending on the system he's a good impact player not no more. Whereas Tosun could easily lead the line for a bottom half club. Both could be useful as squad players depending. 

We could have Ronaldo up front, it wouldn't make a difference. We don't make good enough chances to criticise the forwards. 

We've played three at the back how many times? Managers should use the players the best they can and not force a system on them. All three have been fit so the squad depth problem is just hypothetical. I do agree we should have got another centre back in but I'm happy with Holgate and Mina, just would have liked an experienced player. Any how looking at last year we've only really lost Zouma but he's not been missed at all. Mina has filled his boots comfortably. 

Gana is more mobile but that's about it. Positioning, passing, decision making, leadership, and even without being very good at it shooting Davies wins hands down. Is Gana is superb cover for the back four why was he constantly out of position and why did we concede a lot more chances and goals through the middle last season with him? I agree Sigurdssen shouldn't be in the middle but the managers not forced to. There's other players who can play. Baningime held his own 2 years ago albeit stalled through injury, but he's fully fit not yet Silva chose to play Sigurdssen out of position which is stupid given him and Davies aren't the quickest. Sigurdssen isn't a disgrace, the disgrace is Silva for tasking him with an almost impossible job rather than playing to his strengths. 

What players are out of form? I wouldn't say any are out of form, Keane and Sidibe shouldn't be at a top half club not that's just based on their ability. Keane was just as poor a player last year. Other than that there's Sigurdssen but he's not out of form he's just misused, last season he played no better with most agreeing he was anonymous unless he scored or got an assist. 100% the results are on the manager not the poor form of the players, they can work their socks off but they aren't gonna get results with these tactics unless the opposition don't turn up. Even last year the only team we won when going toe to toe was Cardiff who were missing their best players. Silva and his tactics are a joke. 

Form, not good enough, wrong system, whatever - the best we can hope for from a new manager coming in with these players is he lifts their confidence and organises then enough to steer us to safety. If we stick with the likes of Keane, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin and Tosun, we will keep going nowhere. That's four players need replacing outright, plus adding depth elsewhere. That's still a lot of work to do on the squad whoever comes in. 

3 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

Can't be good for Marco. 

Or Farhad is planning to deliver a good old fashioned owner's pep talk, inspiring them to victory on Saturday and everything will be fine and dandy... 

2 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I burst out laughing when it happened.

I swore. Nearly as badly as I swore about Keane's non attempt at defending the first goal. 

3 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Which ones been worst since the 90s? Alladyce's team had no pace at all which you just can't get away with anymore. 

You only need to play two centre halves, and both Mina and Holgate are good enough. As rubbish as Keane is Burnley managed to survive with him. Don't know why you think the forwards are an issue, we don't get the ball to them enough to judge them this season. The Niasse shout is just stupid, as good as his goal ratio was (3rd best in Europe at one point if my memory serves me right) there's a reason DCL kept him out the side or would you rather Niasse was our first choice? 

Davies has took up Gana's role and been a step up from him. Until last week we'd barely conceded a chance through the middle. If Gana was here we'd be even more fucked, these tactics are rubbish and have well and truly been found out and Gana would add nothing going forward and just be a liability defensively. 

Dunno why I bother but here goes... I wasn't comparing DCL to Niasse, I was comparing  him Tosun to Niasse. Less goals, less impact, another 20 odd million spunked up the wall. If you don't think our lack of goals from our strikers is a problem then I'm not even going to bother debating it with you because it's a glaring issue. 

We played 3 CBs on Sunday and last night, we're an injury away from having to play Keane again every game. Thats guaranteed dropped points, a direct result of having no squad depth in the position. 

Davies and Gana... Pffff. I like Davies, but he isn't close to being Gana's level. Not as mobile, doesn't read the game as well. Different player altogether for me, Davies at his best is a creative 6, maybe even an 8 with the right players around him. Gana is a superb destroyer and cover for the back 4. It's not just that we miss him, it's that we're stuck playing Sigurdsson in midfield who is just a disgrace, and even Silva realises how shite Schneiderlin is because he'd rather play Sigurdsson over him. Again, all down to no depth, no options, having to play poor and rank out of form players 

6 hours ago, pete0 said:

Didn't watch the game but what once saw of him is he's positionally unaware and shocking in the tackle. Far too one footed. 

As much as I wanted Zouma, Mina has been just as good if not better. 

The manager is there to make the system. Sigurdssen blatantly isn't cut out for the role behind the striker that Silva wants as he doesn't have the pace, to then move him into the most important position in the field is a joke. He's sold Davies down the swanny trying to carry him. 

The squads fine. Alladyce got 8th with our worst one in my lifetime. Genuinely Silva is the most enept manager ever to grace the Premier league and that includes a Stuart Pierce who played David James up front. At least there was some reasoning behind it. 5 at the back with Keane and Sigurdssen in front is the worst piece of management I've saw in my lifetime. Didn't think anyone could out do Moyes playing Neville in the semi against Wigan but here you go. 

There is nothing fine about a squad with just three CBs to pick from and three CFs that include two kids who can't buy a goal and a complete waste of money who has a worse goals to games ration than Niasse. Even in midfield, yeah we have three players injured - but look at a Liverpool or Man City, they have an embarrassment of riches to cover the 3 key positions in the centre, they can rotate, they can handle injuries. We still don't know what Gana's replacement is like and take out Gomes as well, and we're absolutely fucked. That is not a 'fine' squad. Not for £450m fucking quid. 

8 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

Think he simply wasn't able to cope with the loss of Zouma and Gana.  Our good run at the end of last season relied on those and we don't have a like for like replacement for either.  That meant we needed to change the playing style, but instead we kept trying to play the same but without those key personnel it blew up in his face.

Given how dreadful Keane has been the failure to replace Zouma stands out as the icing on another very poor transfer window. Who was that on? Brands? I just can't get my head round a PL team going into the season with three senior centre backs. More I think about it, more I worry that something is very wrong in how the club is being run. 

9 minutes ago, Aidan said:

As much as it pains me to say it look at what fat Sam did to the team. 

The players are better than where the club find themselves in the table. 

We need a manger who knows what he's doing. Silva got it wrong today and had to change his system in the first half. He gets it wrong quite often in fact. 

But Fatty was never a long term vision. He worked with Walsh to bring Walcott and Tosun in, another £50m that now warms the bench. Yeah we have to steel ourselves get up the table this season but we're desperate for a longer term vision, otherwise we will end up going down at some point

1 minute ago, MC11 said:

He’d be a pain in the arse to play against. Technically not fantastic but he puts himself about. 
 

Richarlison is absolute quality as is Digne. We’ll be ok

Glad you can be optimistic mate! Think we lack quality all over myself, glaringly so. And also the right characters. Need a new manager to fire up what we do have first then sort squad out. Keane, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Tosun just have to go for me, better versions of all four and we'll look a different side

1 minute ago, MC11 said:

The players are there mate. Richarlison, Iwobi, Digne etc will run themselves into the ground. We’ve got some top plates. I think Kean the striker will come good too.

 

Keane is poor. Sigurdsson is technically a very good player but doesn’t dominate/dictate games he just floats in and out of them. We are a man down at times with him in the pitch. 

There's nowhere near enough of those good players though. Nowhere near

And by the way apart from being hard working I'm hugely disappointed with Iwobi. 

5 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

It is like watching Man City when the Thais bought them and they just threw good money after bad. The difference is that there was a space for them to do that but we are now just another club with money and the rules have changed.

This isn't a problem that money can fix, it needs a manager and a group of players with the heart and ability to get us out of this mess and to push us back up the table

Agree. First we need to find that manager. Then we need to spend some more money on players who fit the bill. 

4 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Yep. All these shouts for some unknown Argentinian or some other big name manager are ludicrous. We need stability, we need a manager who can get results in the League and put us back in the top 10. Any of this nonsense talk about "identity" and "philosophy" needs to be knocked on the head.

Disagree. We're in a fucking mess because there's no coherent plan about how to build a winning side. It's buy a load of players that don't really work together, sack the manager when it goes wrong, rinse and repeat. We need someone who will come in, stamp some authority on the entire club, pick the players up off the floor, ditch the dead wood even if it means sending £30m players to the U23s, and demand they get given the tools they need in terms of players to do what they want to do on the pitch. 

4 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Terrible at the back today. Woeful.

It's just a matter of time for Marco now. He's not shown that he can create a stable team. Particularly at the back.

I might be one of a few but I actually don't think the squad is that bad. But 2 key areas are letting us down...one being centre back and the other being centre forward. Injuries have ripped our CM apart. And I kind of feel for Silva a bit there. To lose Delph, Gomes, Gbamin with no Gana. That s a hard task to fill and really unlucky to have injuries to all if them at once.

I like what I see of us going forward, that gives me hope. More do if young Kean can keep his head straight and get a run but those CB's and CM's, the spine, will carry on being problematic.

 

No strikers and no defenders, but apart from that the squad is fine! 

Henry has just summed it up for me. Where's the philosophy, the vision? Not with the team, but with the club? Moshiri has come in, thrown cash around, chopped and changed, expected things to work without a coherent plan. Silva was a mistake and also a victim of this. He has to go, but whoever comes in has got such a pile of shit to clean up before we even try to move forward because the squad is in such an absolute mess after three or four years of dreadful mismanagement. 

1 minute ago, TallPaul1878 said:

I think the fans now need to wake up and realise that our squad is fucked and needs major surgery. We are going to have to play horrible football to just lerch our way through the season until the transfer windows come around and we get a new manager.

We have spent millions on a mish mash of players who just dont fit into any kind of system

I can't understand any Evertonian trying to make the argument that we have anything like a good enough squad to compete in the league. You probably have to go back to when Smith signed Ginola and Gazza to find a worse group of players turning out for us. 

I honestly don't know where we go from here. We are playing footballers who were fucking terrible two years ago when Koeman got sacked - guess what, theyre still shit, we've just been stuffed 5-2 and dropped into the bottom 3, deja vu... Silva has to go because we desperately need to get a motivator, an organiser, a man manager in who will instill some confidence in these players, they are absolutely shot. We're playing like a team walking straight into relegation - yes there's some pluck, but the mistakes are woeful and are killing us. 

But a new manager will be the sticking plaster. I am so worried about what is going on behind the scenes at this club. We seem utterly directionless, we're bottom 3 because this is a woeful group of players put together for £450m fucking quid, there seems to be no plan, no identity, no leadership. This is the Johnson era all over again with a rich sugar daddy who doesn't know what he's doing with his money. 

2 minutes ago, Btay said:

I’ll say it but Silva hasn’t laid a foot wrong here. Micheal Keane has let us down massively, massively. Silva made a change at 30 mins. Holgate will stand up to Mane well at right back but for fuck sake where’s the consistency in VAR. It would be 1-1 ( without DCL possible pen ) if Keane wasn’t playing.

He shouldn't hat played a back 5. And I have no idea how Keane wasn't subbed

2 minutes ago, Btay said:

Sidibe was good last game. Back 3 worked. Keane is just a bang average player that our horrible recruiting team wasted money on.

Liverpool play a very different system to Leicester. I thought playing a 5 tonight was incredibly naive but still nothing can account for how fucking awful Keane has been

Silva has gone. How that sub wasn't Keane I have no idea

I don't care. Popping up with the odd goal doesn't make up for the fact that Keane is an absolute abomination of a defender

More I think about it the more I reckon we might as well go toe to toe with them, 4-3-3 and attacking. Got nothing to lose. Plus, best way to stop them is push their full backs back and out play them in midfield. I don't see the formation we played at Leicester working against them. 5 at the back would leave Salah, Firminho and Mane going one to one with our three CBs and the quality of the delivery from their full backs means our full backs would practically have to go man to man to deny them any space. Plus, leaving a two man centre mid vs their 3, they'd just get over run. 

I think the best way to pin their full backs back is to play a high, narrow front 3, I'd go Richarlison, DCL and Kean. Go long, Alexander-Arnold will leave space all game, Robertson will have to drop back to help their CBs. I'd play a reasonably attacking 3 in midfield, too - Davies, Sigurdsson, Iwobi/Bernard, aim being to pick up balls in the spaces and play round their 3, which is a lot easier without Fabinho. Sidibe and Digne play like old fashioned full backs, ie a proper back 4 to counter their front 3. We might still get murdered but I don't see we've got the players to stop them any other way. 

21 minutes ago, Easterblue1975 said:

Hello! I just think we're getting the wrong calibre of players like too many that play the same game. It's kinda like watching a kids game, all over the place. I know the game has moved on but look back at the nineties, dark days weren't they? But most of the team back then really got stuck in and played for the shirt, the fans, the club. We even won silverware beating top clubs in the process. This lot won't know what a trophy looks like until it smacks them in the face. This is going to be my first season not going to goodison since 1989. (I've been everton since they found me in 1975) i love the club the fans are so real and always a pleasure to go. But i truly do not like this current team, manager and DOF. apologies for the F! P.s. maybe a new coach to play this team properly, one from the UK?, REGARDS, r.

Nostalgia is a great thing. The reality of the 90s was that we were run by a prick who appointed shite managers (including Kendall once the drink had taken its toll) and apart from Royle and the Dogs of War, we put out teams season after season that underachieved coz there were too many players who didn't have that winning mentality. Between about 96 and 99, I actually think we regularly had better squads on paper than we have now, but it was a car crash. 

The stuff about sweating blood for the club and putting his life on the line ticks a lot of Toffees fans boxes. We need a lot more of that. If he could see his way to standing up to a few more challenges from centre backs he might end up making a decent CF!