MikeO Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Erricsson famously lost only 2 (I think? perhaps not that famously then!) competitive games. Think you're right, Brazil and NI (not including penalty shootouts). But the point was that when it really mattered, three big quarter finals, we never looked like winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Think you're right, Brazil and NI (not including penalty shootouts). But the point was that when it really mattered, three big quarter finals, we never looked like winning. I think that was more down to the fact that we were playing much better teams than us. In fact, taking Portugal to pennos was beyond what I expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I think that was more down to the fact that we were playing much better teams than us. In fact, taking Portugal to pennos was beyond what I expected. Fair enough, but gutless no plan B performances on the biggest stage are unforgivable....if you play well and lose to a better team all well and good, but if you surrender you need to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 (edited) I really couldn't give a flying fuck how the shite perceived Him that bares no relevance to any of this that deluded lot never backed the man once and as everyone could see the players never turned up and played for Him. Also You have just reiterated My point regarding what said managers have won, those win percentages mean sweet fa if your not beating teams when it matters and all the domestic success in the world will not guarantee any manager success on the international stage. Edited April 30, 2012 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I really couldn't give a flying fuck how the shite perceived Him that bares no relevance to any of this that deluded lot never backed the man once and as everyone could see the players never turned up and played for Him. Also You have just reiterated My point regarding what said managers have won, those win percentages mean sweet fa if your not beating teams when it matters and all the domestic success in the world will not guarantee any manager success on the international stage. england have only ever beaten someone "when it mattered" once in their entire history. It's this bizarre insistence that they should somehow be doing better that I find strange. What is it based on? and, I was replying to pete and marco when I was talking about "how the shite perceived him", not you. although thanks for allowing me this opportunity to reiterate how the cold hard facts influenced this perception. The players didn't play for him? Their motivation to play for him was his remit, not ours. These are the same players who had apparently fallen out of love with Benitez's aloof nature, don't forget. anyway, like I said, time will bare this one out...I've no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Fair enough, but gutless no plan B performances on the biggest stage are unforgivable....if you play well and lose to a better team all well and good, but if you surrender you need to move on. No plan B was one of his biggest downfalls here. Tactically inept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul 1300 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I think he will be better for England than Redknapp, they obviously didn't warm to his Arfur Daley Del boy image, saying everyfings Triffic, my fear as a Spurs fan is we will be stuck with the Cunt, its one hell of a coincidence that we are 13 points clear then drop like a stone when England is mentioned Back to selling your 2nd hand cortina's and Escorts in your sheepskin you disloyal Gooner loving wideboy Old woy had a tough Job at Liverpool, shit squad and high expectations, How much did sourface dogleash spend and they are still shit, Mind you they could still win the FA cup I hope he has the support of the press and the players make an effort for him and England do well in the Euros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'm not arsed who Your replying to I'm stating My opinion on Your post. No the players never played for Him as stated earlier due to the fact Dalglish put His name forward for the role before Hodgson was given the job but had His application rejected to which nearly every cunt at LFC spat their dummy's out. He was not wanted from the word go as the messiah was and hence why the players never wanted to perform for Him which was pretty obvious to see. Also whilst Your banging on about percentages how many shite fans think that Dalglish is a top manager and could cut it at National level I bet nearly every one of them thinks He is and could!? yet with around 200M spent and with a longer time in the hotseat thus far then Hodgson His win percentage is still only what 5% higher!? but still He's a top manager ey but Roy is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Also the run in the Europa League in 2010 was a bit special, dumping Juventus, Wolfsburg and Werder Bremen out of the cup en route to the final. Was quite incredible... but McClaren did something similar with boro didn't he? Hodgeson has a much better cv than redknapp anyway as mentioned - inter and the fact he's managed at international level before. Woy actually currently lives near me and I often see him around 'town'. Saw him park up the other week with his wife... in a disabled space!!! The future England manager breaking the law - wish I'd taken a picture! (to sell to the sun!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'm not arsed who Your replying to I'm stating My opinion on Your post. No the players never played for Him as stated earlier due to the fact Dalglish put His name forward for the role before Hodgson was given the job but had His application rejected to which nearly every cunt at LFC spat their dummy's out. He was not wanted from the word go as the messiah was and hence why the players never wanted to perform for Him which was pretty obvious to see. Also whilst Your banging on about percentages how many shite fans think that Dalglish is a top manager and could cut it at National level I bet nearly every one of them thinks He is and could!? yet with around 200M spent and with a longer time in the hotseat thus far then Hodgson His win percentage is still only what 5% higher!? but still He's a top manager ey but Roy is not. so you agree he's a poor motivator then? Dalglish's 3 European Cups, 8 League titles, and 2 FA Cups means he's revered here, yes. The dozens and dozens of funerals he attended in a period of weeks after hillsborough, most of them kids, count for a lot too. Does that surprise you? Look at Newcastle, all it takes is a dead badger on your head to be called a "messiah" there. And feel free to itemise this £200m you keep mentioning. I don't need another laugh today, but I'll take one anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Your just talking absolute bollocks now fella none of that bares any relevance to how good a manger He is and how fickle fans can be when it suits them! Again My point stands to which I will bow out of this one and let time play it's part but like I said in My previous post most of the bad feeling toward Hodgson comes from bitter reds who wanted "the messiah" back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Your just talking absolute bollocks now fella none of that bares any relevance to how good a manger He is and how fickle fans can be when it suits them! Again My point stands to which I will bow out of this one and let time play it's part but like I said in My previous post most of the bad feeling toward Hodgson comes from bitter reds who wanted "the messiah" back... Your just talking absolute bollocks now fella none of that bares any relevance to how good a manger He is and how fickle fans can be when it suits them! Again My point stands to which I will bow out of this one and let time play it's part but like I said in My previous post most of the bad feeling toward Hodgson comes from bitter reds who wanted "the messiah" back... You were the one who brought up Dalglish, not me. This is about Hodgson you carrot, unless the FA give the job to Kenny that whole argument is meaningless. You seem to think he's a good manager, I think he isn't. It's really that simple. And as you clearly seem to know more about what Liverpool fans think than I do, I find that a very strange point of view to say the least. Anyway, I'm sure you know best, England are in safe hands and all that. They're 2/1 to not qualify from their group though...just saying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'll think You will find that You brought Liverpool into it with Your first post on how He handled criticism as it's obvious it was from His time their You are refering to. Also the reason I brough Dalglish into it has already been stated You melt, I don't think He's a great manager but think He may be able to do a decent job certainly as good as any other English candidate. I don't care nor do I ever want to know more then Liverpools supporters that was never in the frame but the facts are and where there for all to see which I stated on page 1 with the dummy spitting. You started talking bollocks when I questioned Your opinion on why Roy is such a poor manager or at least in His time their and why many probably including Yourself revere Dalglish as a top manager by basing things on % Like I said time will tell and cheers for the carrot remark maybe You should hang Me infront of Andy Carroll and direct Me towards the goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'll think You will find that You brought Liverpool into it with Your first post on how He handled criticism as it's obvious it was from His time their You are refering to. Also the reason I brough Dalglish into it has already been stated You melt, I don't think He's a great manager but think He may be able to do a decent job certainly as good as any other English candidate. I don't care nor do I ever want to know more then Liverpools supporters that was never in the frame but the facts are and where there for all to see which I stated on page 1 with the dummy spitting. You started talking bollocks when I questioned Your opinion on why Roy is such a poor manager or at least in His time their and why many probably including Yourself revere Dalglish as a top manager by basing things on % Like I said time will tell and cheers for the carrot remark maybe You should hang Me infront of Andy Carroll and direct Me towards the goal. 1. No need, I'll just ask Fellani to mark you. 2. Of course I was talking about his time at Liverpool, when did I deny that, and what else would I base it on...what the press say? 3. Dalglish is revered for many things. Percentages aren't one though, we can't get anything to rhyme with it for a start. That was just a simple and convenient way of showing how bad Hodgson was here, and why people turned on him. Not because we all study winning percentage figures on wikipedia, but because in the real world he lost loads of games he shouldn't. That, and his tactics were crap. And the football we played under him was crap. And the shite he spouted daily in press conferences was crap. And the fact that the press, and rest of the country were so up in arms that we dared to have an opinion on our own manager. Quite a lot of reasons, looking back. Anyway, we're both very happy with this news, albeit for different reasons, so lets make love, not war. I'll happily drink to a summer of football with Roy Hodgson in charge of England! and that man has still got a willy on his head ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Please can no Everton fan on this forum say bad things about Dogleash. I personally love the man, and I hope he stays in charge for a good while yet over the park so lets not try and make the Liverpool fans smell the coffee because then they might actually bring a decent manager in. In Dogleash we trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Redknapp and Hodgson are both average managers. Johny is correct imo, Hodgson will do well at mid-table PL clubs, but his 442 system and prehistoric tactics will be easily found out at the more sophisticated international level where possession is key. They should have stuck with Capello - he made mistakes but he is a manager of far greater repute than Redknapp or Hodgson. Edited May 1, 2012 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Liverpool fans like to deflect from the fact Benitez left a mess (oh and they tend to forget wanting rid of that man, and want him back now). Hodgson was LMA manager of the year and deservedly so, can't see him suddenly becoming tactically inept over a couple of months. Hodgson was nothing but a fall guy at Liverpool. Dogleash wasted £200 million and still hasnt fixed Rafa's mess, but somehow it's all Hodgsons fault. He's an average manager at best. His troglodyte tactics will be quickly exposed in the international arena. It's alright in the PL which is one of the less 'technical' leagues of the top European leagues. Same goes for 'Arry. Edited May 1, 2012 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 This is brilliant news. Euro 2012 is going to be hilarious, the man is a tactical dinosaur. And for anyone who honestly believes his nice guy image, when things start to go wrong, and his mates in the press stop writing his PR for him, the whole country will see just how dignified he actually is. Roy's MO Play appallingly poor 442 football straight from 1982, designed simply to try and avoid defeat. Get criticised Accept no responsibility whatsoever Blame everyone and everything else Point out that he's got x amount of years experience (winning nothing outside scandinavia), therefore it simply can't be his fault. Get sacked It's going to be emotional. All this, and Kenny still cant do much better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 that is all..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Hart Green Ruddy Cole Richards Cahill Jones Lescott Ferdinand Walker Young Gerrard Parker Milner Oxain-Chamberlain Barry Downing Walcott Rooney Sturridge Crouch Welbeck Bent That should be the 23 man squad (IMO). Mix of youth and experience? Personally I think Downing's shite but he'll get picked, Rooney must go, Lescott's been awesome lately and a call up for Ruddy and AOC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 no baines? and why crouch he's wank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 no baines? and why crouch he's wank? Baines is injured and Crouch has a very good goals per games ratio for England.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Baines is injured and Crouch has a very good goals per games ratio for England.... Baines was close to playing tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 baines won't be out til the euros and it isn't like he has been injured for 6 months(like wilshere) and crouch has a good goals to game ratio against jamaica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Baines was close to playing tonight. Really? Last I heard he was out for the season? baines won't be out til the euros and it isn't like he has been injured for 6 months(like wilshere) and crouch has a good goals to game ratio against jamaica 22 goals in 42 games, not that bad in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Really? Last I heard he was out for the season? Dude, where have you been living? Moyes himself came out and said he wouldn't miss the rest of the season . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Dude, where have you been living? Moyes himself came out and said he wouldn't miss the rest of the season . 110 hours in 2 weeks and been ill the last few days..... Good news at least! back on topic: nigel Martyn @nmartyn25 Roy hodgson ok not who we thought but he deserves us all to get behind him. It doesn't feel like it but this could be a good appointment Edited May 1, 2012 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 110 hours in 2 weeks and been ill the last few days..... Good news at least! How are you still functioning?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 How are you still functioning?! part of the job mate Happens a few times each year, hopefully this is the last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 110 hours? bad that..remember in my old job i was gettin shafted of 60+ hours a week for about 2 months of the year..grim as fuuuuuuck as for crouch...he scores against wank teams..and fuck all against big teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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