Avinalaff Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/home/7664 I think this year, not only do we need to get behind the team, and the manager, but also get behind Kenwright. I'm not sure I'd want to swap him for a rich Arab anytime soon. Like him or not, he and Moyes are the epitome of why our club is a family club and I hope he gets the backing he needs, but gets to stick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Yikes ! **studies firework code and stands well back ** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I'm staying well indoors here, my can of petrol will not go down too well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted August 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Ha ha. It normally depends on which members post first as to how these things go. Seriously though, being positive would do us all good, and the club good too, and so far this season, we couldn't ask for a better start, and the fans at the match were outstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I think in short Av, I can not let the mismanagement of the club re the kings dock, fortress fund, agms, Kirby, ridiclous loans and bad commercial deals be linked in any way to the playing side. I'm positive for the team on match days - but when the camera pans to Bill and it creates a reaction it makes my blood boil - why is it done. If public perception is that he is Mr Everton then it is wrong - he is a chairman who supports the club like we do. Under a different manager who needed more money due to bad decisions, our outlook would be different - fans would be looking for the person who was to blame. Bill would have to carry alot of that blame - not all though, there are some very quiet major shareholders who do far less than Bill and are equally as culpable. Bring back AGM's would be a nice start - the reality is that the club need a buyer who can neutralise the debt and generate the funds to make us compete commercially on match days - allowing us to be self sufficient enough to arm the manager to compete at the higher end of the transfer market. That does not involve Mr kenwright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Not even going to start on this one because I know where it will end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted August 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 So we're agreed then ? There's only one Billy Kenwright ......................... COYB ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 There's only one Billy Kenwright ......................... And thank fuck there's only one! Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 OS has just advertised for 4 new members for the Fans Forum, I recommend any disgruntled fans to put themselves forward, no point in moaning at a computer all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Get Haf in there ASAP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droobie Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 If we're not playing for trophies, then what are we playing for? Just so the 'rich' clubs have someone to play? Unfortunately we live in a material world. Look, even most of the high profile Olympians have advertising sponsorship on the side. Gone are the days of people just playing for the love of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted August 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 If we're not playing for trophies, then what are we playing for? Just so the 'rich' clubs have someone to play? Unfortunately we live in a material world. Look, even most of the high profile Olympians have advertising sponsorship on the side. Gone are the days of people just playing for the love of the sport. You're not playing for trophies - you are watching. If you are watching simply to see a team win trophies, then why support Everton, and not United, City, or even worse Liverpool? Everton haven't won much in the last 20 years, as much as we want them to, but we still support them. If somebody asks you why you support Everton, would your answer be because they win trophies? Mine certainly wouldn't. I support Everton because I have affection for the club, the history of the club, the players, the manager, the fans, and the chairman, and when they play great foiotball it's all the better. When I see Moyes celebrating, it lifts my spirits. When I see Kenwright in passionate mood, it touches my heart strings, and when I see fans delighted, it reminds me of the togetherness of the hope and best wishes we have for the club, but never the trophies. Trophies are just a bonus, more so for the club and players than the fans. For the fans, it's much more personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I think in short Av, I can not let the mismanagement of the club re the kings dock, fortress fund, agms, Kirby, ridiclous loans and bad commercial deals be linked in any way to the playing side. I'm positive for the team on match days - but when the camera pans to Bill and it creates a reaction it makes my blood boil - why is it done. If public perception is that he is Mr Everton then it is wrong - he is a chairman who supports the club like we do. Under a different manager who needed more money due to bad decisions, our outlook would be different - fans would be looking for the person who was to blame. Bill would have to carry alot of that blame - not all though, there are some very quiet major shareholders who do far less than Bill and are equally as culpable. Bring back AGM's would be a nice start - the reality is that the club need a buyer who can neutralise the debt and generate the funds to make us compete commercially on match days - allowing us to be self sufficient enough to arm the manager to compete at the higher end of the transfer market. That does not involve Mr kenwright. Ha ha I thought for a moment that you were going to pass up the opportunity to get your soap box out! What about signing players like Felli, Baines, Jelavic , Piennar etc can that be linked in any way to the playing side? Personally I am highly delighted with our transfer dealings so far this window and if Kenwright cant take any credit for that then who can? Its fine to critisice Bill and the Board when they get it wrong but its a typical Buffoon Union outloook to completely ignore anything they get right, and yes I know you havent actually attended any of their meetings! Oh and I didnt realise that the conspiracy theories ran as far as Bill controlloing the BBC ! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 where is the boxing smiley?! ding ding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 where is the boxing smiley?! ding ding! I was thinking more of a cover the face and peek through the fingers smiley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marcus jones Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 It might not be about the money, but it is about the silverware. If you get up out of bed every morning and just accept mediocre then that is what you get. Maybe I am a demanding person. I demand that the club at least challenge for honours, when we fall short, so be it. The attitude of '' a winning mentality'' from the outset is a must. I hate to loose more than "love to win". But that is only my stand point. StevO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 arsenal have money yet fail to win things also..money doesn't guarantee success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Ha ha I thought for a moment that you were going to pass up the opportunity to get your soap box out! What about signing players like Felli, Baines, Jelavic , Piennar etc can that be linked in any way to the playing side? Personally I am highly delighted with our transfer dealings so far this window and if Kenwright cant take any credit for that then who can? Its fine to critisice Bill and the Board when they get it wrong but its a typical Buffoon Union outloook to completely ignore anything they get right, and yes I know you havent actually attended any of their meetings! Oh and I didnt realise that the conspiracy theories ran as far as Bill controlloing the BBC ! You're right, we should give bill manager of the year for operating on a pretty much negative net budget. Fuck it, why not throw milli vanilli an Ivor Novello whist were at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 bill isn't a manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus jones Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 arsenal have money yet fail to win things also..money doesn't guarantee success That may be true marco, but Wenger is a tight old sod though!!! Love to see him spend some cash big time, or is he not capable of handling big time charlies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 You're right, we should give bill manager of the year for operating on a pretty much negative net budget. Fuck it, why not throw milli vanilli an Ivor Novello whist were at it. If only Bill remembered to put his name as IVOR INVINCIBLE (one for LMA fans). marcopaulo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 bill isn't a manager I think it goes a little like this:- Davie: "bill, it's no good, that useless sod Saha who we got for zilch is off, got no one else, the £60,000 Greek lad ain't up to it yet, can you get me ibrahimovich?" Bill "no Davie, we are still paying huge operating costs, but I tell you what, I'll get a lad called jelavic for ya, he's a good player, I've scouted him and seeing as though I sold arteta, beckford, Vaughan, bilyaletdinov and pretty much seen you work with fuck all I'll get him for ya." Davie:- "och, bill ya a diamond you really are, not only have I got a chairman who restricts me from blowing millions, you actually pick and get the players for me, fuck the kirby fiasco, the fortress lies, the fact that you promised us a world class stadium and instead tried to deliver a flat pack job in kirby, you are the biggest evertonian there is" Bill:- "yep, just off to take a call off the head of ICI, he's in Manchester, need to catch him to discuss due dilligence" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 At least make it funny! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble Savage Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 It entertained me but I'm more than slightly biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 I think some of those that yearn silverware may not have seen much of it. We are not in an environment of equal opportunity regarding football clubs. We can't say "City have a billionaire so we want one too" and then start aiming our annoyance at a guy who just doesn't have that kind of money. There is an easier answer to it all, and that is for the FA to stop clubs spending, and bring the game back to reality. The average wage doesn't give enough free money that supporters can keep spending every week and not feel the burden. What wage is Rooney on again? How many goals did he score on Monday? What will it be like in 10 years time, or 20 years? I don't think football can sustain the trend, and the only people who benefit are the players and agents. Everybody else has to work on percentages. We can't realistically ask Everton for silverware even if we hope for it some day. The obstacles in their way are there for all to see. For me, I'm happy that we are playing decent stuff and beating the bigger sides occasionally. The job Moyes has done together with Kenwright (both must survive without billionaire funding) is admirable, yet even some fans still have a pop at Moyes occasionally for not playing the style of football they want. Unfortunately the style of football they want comes from watching the super rich teams. Cast your mind back to the last 50 years, and realise the standard of football we have at Goodison is much better than previously seen. The sides in the 80's played great football for the day, but compare it to modern standards and I think the modern footballers are far superior as players. I would fully expect our current side to be title winners every year if they were transported back 20 or 30 years. However, expecting them to win trophies in the current climate is adjacent to asking a family coupe to win Le Mans, such is the difference between clubs and their finances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) European qualification would probably help our finances and in that respect we are no different from some other clubs, the fact we have just missed out the last two seasons makes things look a lot worse. Taken into account the fact that Pienaar and Arteta both WANTED to leave and didn't do it til too late to change anything last year meant we were left in the shit. I'm pretty sure that had we have qualified for Europe two seasons ago neither would have left and people would stop calling us a selling club. I'm not saying Kenwright is an angel, by no stretch of the imagination but as Avinalaff quite rightly pointed out just because two or three clubs have had an enormous injection of money it has completely changed the game and players wages wouldn't be close to what they are now. I Don't think it's that easy to find a rich foreigner who is willing to throw hundreds of millions at a club, and when they do it's actually only worked at man city and Chelsea. Look at the shite, look at Portsmouth, Blackburn, villa, Newcastle ( two years ago), Leeds. Be careful what you wish for. Also, bily, beck ford and Vaughan did pretty much naff all for this club so I really didn't care that they left! Edited August 23, 2012 by MoyesForPM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) Ha ha I thought for a moment that you were going to pass up the opportunity to get your soap box out! What about signing players like Felli, Baines, Jelavic , Piennar etc can that be linked in any way to the playing side? Personally I am highly delighted with our transfer dealings so far this window and if Kenwright cant take any credit for that then who can? Its fine to critisice Bill and the Board when they get it wrong but its a typical Buffoon Union outloook to completely ignore anything they get right, and yes I know you havent actually attended any of their meetings! Oh and I didnt realise that the conspiracy theories ran as far as Bill controlloing the BBC ! Thats all you got then Dunc? not heard the one from a few years ago about BK losing £3m in a London casino and club resources being used to settle the debt As for the BU they have praised the club on plenty of occasions, im not sure where you get this from. Plenty of praise is given if you look as Dave Kelly and his BU morons think everything from Jan onwards is down to their influence on the club, deluded tw*ts Edited August 23, 2012 by theprisoner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Its not all about money, but it is all about trophies. Why compete in anything if not to win? Ok we probably wont win the league, but we have to start off on day one to win every game we play. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Its not all about money, but it is all about trophies. Why compete in anything if not to win? Ok we probably wont win the league, but we have to start off on day one to win every game we play. Why compete if not to win? Because football is a business, not a game, and win or lose, there are profits to be had. What are the prospects of Wigan winning silverware this year, or many other teams? People want to watch first and foremost or why be a fan? Fans don't win silverware. Players do. I can't understand any fan who only has silverware in mind. We all want our clubs to win the silverware, but if it was only about silverware, the grounds would be empty. I've seen Everton win plenty in my time as a fan, but it's a bonus if it happens, and not a prerequisite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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