MikeO Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Is he really in trouble? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, MikeO said: Is he really in trouble? Technically yes, but nothing will happen. The best that can be hoped is that this impeachment inquiry sways voters to vote against him in the 2020 election. I can see him getting a second term though. There are still 17 Democrats in the running, and the election is in a year; their field is overcrowded, and it's not helping them. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 53 minutes ago, MikeO said: Is he really in trouble? No and this will only act as a defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 his followers are ardent conspiracy theory believers. they believe there is a "deep state" of career politicians trying to remove him from office. they believe any effort to undermine Trump is not fact or reality, but instead the "deep state". they are fucking nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith B Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 On 21/11/2019 at 14:07, markjazzbassist said: his followers are ardent conspiracy theory believers. they believe there is a "deep state" of career politicians trying to remove him from office. they believe any effort to undermine Trump is not fact or reality, but instead the "deep state". they are fucking nuts Mark has it here. There's no evidence that would convince a Trump voter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 On 21/11/2019 at 19:07, markjazzbassist said: his followers are ardent conspiracy theory believers. they believe there is a "deep state" of career politicians trying to remove him from office. they believe any effort to undermine Trump is not fact or reality, but instead the "deep state". they are fucking nuts 2 hours ago, Keith B said: Mark has it here. There's no evidence that would convince a Trump voter. Isn’t it very scary that there are millions of people like that all over the world, who have been brainwashed or brainwashed themselves into believing one thing when the evidence clearly shown another.. This world is becoming a two state world, made up of people in a sane state of mind and those in a insane state, and the latter seems to be taking over, the lunatics really are running the asylum. markjazzbassist and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 7 hours ago, Palfy said: Isn’t it very scary that there are millions of people like that all over the world, who have been brainwashed or brainwashed themselves into believing one thing when the evidence clearly shown another.. This world is becoming a two state world, made up of people in a sane state of mind and those in a insane state, and the latter seems to be taking over, the lunatics really are running the asylum. *cough*Gana*cough* Just kidding, but it is scary. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Sibdane said: *cough*Gana*cough Just kidding, but it is scary. not going to argue with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50741594 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 This is too funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 i would think disney/marvel could sue for using their film without paying royalties to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: i would think disney/marvel could sue for using their film without paying royalties to do so. They won't in fear of Trump loyalists boycotting their products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Sibdane said: They won't in fear of Trump loyalists boycotting their products. I wonder how much of their sales were made up of supporters of an evil wannabe dictator with a weird coloured face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 The impeachment vote is tonight, and I can't wait. I'm hoping a few Republicans swing in the direction of impeachment in the House. The Senate will be a different ballgame. The Senate majority leader, McConnell, has already come and said that he's not impartial. What a snake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, Sibdane said: The impeachment vote is tonight, and I can't wait. I'm hoping a few Republicans swing in the direction of impeachment in the House. The Senate will be a different ballgame. The Senate majority leader, McConnell, has already come and said that he's not impartial. What a snake. So are there any consequences at all if Representatives pass it and then the Senate doesn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, MikeO said: So are there any consequences at all if Representatives pass it and then the Senate doesn't? Nope. The Senate is where the actual trial would be and not getting a 2/3rds majority would mean nothing happens. It was just go down on as a mark on Trump's record basically. This is more a move by Democrats to appeal to their base, but I do think that they're right, and Trump should be impeached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, MikeO said: The Senate majority leader, McConnell, has already come and said that he's not impartial. What a snake. But he's going to stand up and say, “I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be,) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of [Donald Trump], now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God.” and not mean it? Astounding. There's a first, a politician who admits he's going to lie even before he does it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, MikeO said: But he's going to stand up and say, “I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be,) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of [Donald Trump], now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God.” and not mean it? Astounding. There's a first, a politician who admits he's going to lie even before he does it! https://www.npr.org/2019/12/17/788924966/mcconnell-i-m-not-impartial-about-impeachment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, MikeO said: So are there any consequences at all if Representatives pass it and then the Senate doesn't? that's what happened with Clinton. He was impeached but acquitted. Whereas if the senate confirms then you're formally impeached. so it will just be a black mark against Trump like it was for Clinton. Something to use in the election cycle. His voters are unwavered, they think it's the "deep state" conspiring to get this noble statesman removed. he's done so much for our country how dare they! yes they are fucking nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 58 minutes ago, Sibdane said: https://www.npr.org/2019/12/17/788924966/mcconnell-i-m-not-impartial-about-impeachment 3 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: that's what happened with Clinton. He was impeached but acquitted. Whereas if the senate confirms then you're formally impeached. so it will just be a black mark against Trump like it was for Clinton. Something to use in the election cycle. His voters are unwavered, they think it's the "deep state" conspiring to get this noble statesman removed. he's done so much for our country how dare they! yes they are fucking nuts. I can't understand how a country that is so (compared to the UK) devoutly Christian is OK with people in authority openly saying (effectively) that they're going to lie under oath. That's perjury surely, so they should be punished even if Trump isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, MikeO said: I can't understand how a country that is so (compared to the UK) devoutly Christian is OK with people in authority openly saying (effectively) that they're going to lie under oath. That's perjury surely, so they should be punished even if Trump isn't. That's what you would think, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, MikeO said: I can't understand how a country that is so (compared to the UK) devoutly Christian is OK with people in authority openly saying (effectively) that they're going to lie under oath. That's perjury surely, so they should be punished even if Trump isn't. great question mike and this part is important. as evangelicals they believe their faith is above all else, government included. so by Trump saying he's a christian, they give him carte blanche because they believe he's "doing the will of the lord". he basically gets a free pass, the Bush family did the same thing. i remember people at church saying "he prays every morning, what a guy" and i'm like he's killing tons of people illegally in iraq doesn't that bother you? who cares if he prays! well, i don't it question him, "the lord works in mysterious ways...". they just accept that whatever he does is ok. only half analogy i can give is a hard core party voter, like your family is Labour all your life and you just vote labour regardless and go with whatever they say policy wise, or if it changes, then contradicts, it doesn't matter, you're labour and that's that. thick and thin, labour. sucks for people of the christian faith like myself who aren't nutjobs and aren't evangelicals because it gives us a bad name and reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: great question mike and this part is important. as evangelicals they believe their faith is above all else, government included. so by Trump saying he's a christian, they give him carte blanche because they believe he's "doing the will of the lord". he basically gets a free pass, the Bush family did the same thing. i remember people at church saying "he prays every morning, what a guy" and i'm like he's killing tons of people illegally in iraq doesn't that bother you? who cares if he prays! well, i don't it question him, "the lord works in mysterious ways...". they just accept that whatever he does is ok. only half analogy i can give is a hard core party voter, like your family is Labour all your life and you just vote labour regardless and go with whatever they say policy wise, or if it changes, then contradicts, it doesn't matter, you're labour and that's that. thick and thin, labour. sucks for people of the christian faith like myself who aren't nutjobs and aren't evangelicals because it gives us a bad name and reputation. Important point here. It's more about voting along party lines than for the person who is in charge. My dad doesn't like Trump, but you will never see him vote for a Democrat over a Republican. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Watching it live the one thing I like is the fact that the house listens to people speaking without the infantile heckling we have over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 hours ago, MikeO said: Watching it live the one thing I like is the fact that the house listens to people speaking without the infantile heckling we have over here. No idea why that is allowed over here. Corbyn did his best to get rid but it didn't last long. Worst thing is all the voters would have seen their tory cunt MPs laugh and cheer at not giving nurses a pay rise and fucking the workers and students yet still voted for them. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 This will only hurt his ego, though he’s that delusional he’ll probably take it as a good thing. It’ll certainly help his election chances further, it’s solidifying the divide and his supporters will only see this as the left trying to make waves rather than what it actually means. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 39 minutes ago, Matt said: This will only hurt his ego, though he’s that delusional he’ll probably take it as a good thing. It’ll certainly help his election chances further, it’s solidifying the divide and his supporters will only see this as the left trying to make waves rather than what it actually means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 That better be a really good fake... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Matt said: That better be a really good fake... It isn't fake. Talk about fear-mongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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